Temp Control and what do?

[LavaLampHero]

So when I had left vaping awhile back TC was just coming around and I didnt really have an interest in it. A few months ago I picked up vaping again and a new mod as well. I got myself a Twisted Messes 150W TC (TM150W from now on) and have yet to even try TC mode. I kinda get what its about but then again i dont know jack.

Ive got some questions that maybe some of you can answer. Id like to utilize this mod to its full potential at some point. I do apologize in advanced if my questions are dumb.

1. What is my mod doing differently in TC mode than in normal wattage? What makes it TC?
2. Can I run Kanthal in TC mode? Which one? Why?
3. I thought nickle and titanium turned hazardous when heated?
4. What are the differences in vapor production/flavor with TC

Not as many as i had thought, but there they is. If I am to banished to the Island of Misfit Vapers due to these questions then i only choose to bring chips and salsa as my nourishment!

 

[edyle]

So when I had left vaping awhile back TC was just coming around and I didnt really have an interest in it. A few months ago I picked up vaping again and a new mod as well. I got myself a Twisted Messes 150W TC (TM150W from now on) and have yet to even try TC mode. I kinda get what its about but then again i dont know jack.

Ive got some questions that maybe some of you can answer. Id like to utilize this mod to its full potential at some point. I do apologize in advanced if my questions are dumb.

1. What is my mod doing differently in TC mode than in normal wattage? What makes it TC?
2. Can I run Kanthal in TC mode? Which one? Why?
3. I thought nickle and titanium turned hazardous when heated?
4. What are the differences in vapor production/flavor with TC

Not as many as i had thought, but there they is. If I am to banished to the Island of Misfit Vapers due to these questions then i only choose to bring chips and salsa as my nourishment!

1: In tc mode with the right coil at suitable temperature and wattage settings, your coil will not burn your wick; no dry hits.
2: kanthal is not practical for tc mode.
Stainless steel can work though. Plus stainless steel can be used in regular wattage mode.
3: It is generally recommended not to dryburn nickel or titanium: that's a big reason to just use steel.
4: No effect on vapour production. No smoke from burning cotton.

 

[LavaLampHero]

Same vapor no dry hits? Sounds absolutely delightful! Might just run down to the shop and have them just throw something on. Dont want to buy a bunch of wire and not like it.

Im assuming theres a thread on how to find your sweet spot in TC mode? Ill look for something like it. Thanks allot ive got a more of an understanding!

 

[MyMagicMist]

Not as many as i had thought, but there they is. If I am to banished to the Island of Misfit Vapers due to these questions then i only choose to bring chips and salsa as my nourishment!

Bring Conn's brand Cheese Puffs & I may share the television remote, if that is not consolation enough I also know where the beer is kept. It is not where you think and you could spend weeks on this island searching to no avail.

 

[Douggro]

Ive got some questions that maybe some of you can answer. Id like to utilize this mod to its full potential at some point. I do apologize in advanced if my questions are dumb.

1. What is my mod doing differently in TC mode than in normal wattage? What makes it TC?
2. Can I run Kanthal in TC mode? Which one? Why?
3. I thought nickle and titanium turned hazardous when heated?
4. What are the differences in vapor production/flavor with TC

1. The mod reads the coil resistance when firing to determine the coil temp and adjusts output to not exceed the set temperature. Different wire types have different TCR values (Temperature Coefficient of Resistance) which is why you must set the mod to the type of wire being used and lock the coil resistance reading when the coil is cold. Some mods support custom TCR settings for using wire types not programmed into the mod.
2. No, Kanthal is not to be used for TC. Its TCR is too small for mods to read and regulate. Nickel, titanium and stainless steel are the main TC wire types.
3. Yes, but only if dry-burned to red-hot states - something that shouldn't happen in a saturated coil. Also why you don't dry-burn those wires if you're building your own coils..
4. Vapor and flavor are very comparable in TC mode as it is in VV/VW modes. The main advantage is the consistency of the vape not getting too hot.

TC is not a panacea - it takes some work and fiddling to get your settings just right for the mod/coil/juice combination. Changing the wattage setting will affect how quickly the coil ramps up to temp; running it too high is a common error. So just like with running in VV/VW mode, start on the lower end with the wattage and temp settings and work up to find the vape you like.

 

[LavaLampHero]

Bring Conn's brand Cheese Puffs & I may share the television remote, if that is not consolation enough I also know where the beer is kept. It is not where you think and you could spend weeks on this island searching to no avail.

As long as we can watch football and The Walking Dead on Sunday I think we'll be 'ight. Ill take a Blue Moon please xD

1. The mod reads the coil resistance when firing to determine the coil temp and adjusts output to not exceed the set temperature. Different wire types have different TCR values (Temperature Coefficient of Resistance) which is why you must set the mod to the type of wire being used and lock the coil resistance reading when the coil is cold. Some mods support custom TCR settings for using wire types not programmed into the mod.
2. No, Kanthal is not to be used for TC. Its TCR is too small for mods to read and regulate. Nickel, titanium and stainless steel are the main TC wire types.
3. Yes, but only if dry-burned to red-hot states - something that shouldn't happen in a saturated coil. Also why you don't dry-burn those wires if you're building your own coils..
4. Vapor and flavor are very comparable in TC mode as it is in VV/VW modes. The main advantage is the consistency of the vape not getting too hot.

TC is not a panacea - it takes some work and fiddling to get your settings just right for the mod/coil/juice combination. Changing the wattage setting will affect how quickly the coil ramps up to temp; running it too high is a common error. So just like with running in VV/VW mode, start on the lower end with the wattage and temp settings and work up to find the vape you like.

Thank you so much! Just what I was looking for. Im going to head to the shop Wednesday and just have him throw a basic TC build on so I can experiment a little. Im kinda stoked about getting into this. Ill probably get loads more info at the shop, more than i could imagine. Thanks for the help, i think this is something i could try and get into.

 

[Completely Average]

I'll also throw this out there since it's virtually ALWAYS left out of any TC discussion.

The whole original purpose behind TC was to prevent the ejuice from being heated to the point of producing benzopyrene, a carcinogen, which can happen if you get a dry hit and the coil overheats.

That's the real reason why preventing dry hits is so important. It doesn't just taste nasty, the reason it taste nasty is because the extra heat causes what juice is there to convert to benzopyrene which is a cancer causing toxin.

 

[MyMagicMist]

As long as we can watch football and The Walking Dead on Sunday I think we'll be 'ight. Ill take a Blue Moon please xD

I don't watch much football & never have gotten into Walking Dead, Dexter, Breaking Bad, Game of Thorns at all. You can watch them if you want though.

* hands you your requested beer *

* returns to figuring out how to use his linux box to alter the fabric of space time similar to like Diebold's voting machines can be hacked without trace, whistles innocently, smiles and waves to the Alphabet Soup Group *

 

[MyMagicMist]

I'll also throw this out there since it's virtually ALWAYS left out of any TC discussion.

The whole original purpose behind TC was to prevent the ejuice from being heated to the point of producing benzopyrene, a carcinogen, which can happen if you get a dry hit and the coil overheats.

That's the real reason why preventing dry hits is so important. It doesn't just taste nasty, the reason it taste nasty is because the extra heat causes what juice is there to convert to benzopyrene which is a cancer causing toxin.

Topping off a tank, or dripping atty is not another option? Do not misunderstand. I appreciate the point of temp control being to protect against dry hits for a valid health concern. I am only trying to understand why topping off would not be an option as well. It seems a fairly simple idea and action to do.

 

[daviedog]

Chain vaping high VG at high wattage will lead to dry hits.
An RDA, while less convenient helps to avoid dry hits.
Completely Average is spot on..

 

[Completely Average]

Topping off a tank, or dripping atty is not another option? Do not misunderstand. I appreciate the point of temp control being to protect against dry hits for a valid health concern. I am only trying to understand why topping off would not be an option as well. It seems a fairly simple idea and action to do.

Topping off or dripping atomizers are options, but not a solution.

There are many reasons why you can get dry hits that have nothing to do with the tank running out of juice. In fact, I can't ever recall having a dry hit because there was no juice in the tank. It's always been insufficient wicking/too much power/too thick of juice/dirty coil/dirty wick/insufficient airflow/etc... Simply taking a draw too slowly can result in a dry hit. Anything that can limit vapor production can result in the juice on the coil being cooked rather than converted to vapor efficiently.

With TC in effect the power to the coil will be reduced or even cut entirely if any of those problems come up. In power mode it's simply going to burn the juice and wick, and you'll get a nasty burnt taste and possibly a mouth full of benzopyrene in your vapor.

 

[MyMagicMist]

Topping off or dripping atomizers are options, but not a solution.

There are many reasons why you can get dry hits that have nothing to do with the tank running out of juice. In fact, I can't ever recall having a dry hit because there was no juice in the tank. It's always been insufficient wicking/too much power/too thick of juice/dirty coil/dirty wick/insufficient airflow/etc... Simply taking a draw too slowly can result in a dry hit. Anything that can limit vapor production can result in the juice on the coil being cooked rather than converted to vapor efficiently.

With TC in effect the power to the coil will be reduced or even cut entirely if any of those problems come up. In power mode it's simply going to burn the juice and wick, and you'll get a nasty burnt taste and possibly a mouth full of benzopyrene in your vapor.

Thank you for explaining this. I was curious and desiring to learn the advantage if any TC held. Hope I did not read as being a smart mule earlier. That was not my intent, if so. Now, I just may consider moving to a TC kit as what you point out seems to be a valid concern. I say seems to be as I'm only made aware of the issue you discuss, by your discussion of it. I will look into it further on my own prior to deciding on the expense of TC. This is being an informed and responsible consumer.