Temp Control Help

[Vknit]

Hi all,

I'm two months smoke free. I'm interested in temperature control, because while I'm doing fine, when things get hairy here (work at home) I hit the vapor hard enough/often enough that the tank actually gets pretty hot. I've burnt liquid and killed coils. I'm using istick20 and have two, Nautilus tanks and have three. Happens on all combinations - saying that so you'll know it's not my equipment, it's all me.

I went into my local shop to ask about the istick40 TC and the Aspire Triton tank, since I'm already familiar and happy with the brands. The woman there (who got me started, but with a lesser tank) didn't know anything about the products or whether they would be carrying them, pointed out some other TC products that I said I wasn't interested in because it's the kind of thing where you have to actually think. I don't want to think. Or rebuild. I just want to fill the tank and go. OK, I guess I want to fill the tank and go and have the battery think FOR me. She said she'd talk to her partner and call me back. (I know, I can order online, I just want to support my B&M)

So . . . she called back and said that her partner said that they would not be carrying those because they require nickel coils, which have health risks. It wasn't until I got off the phone that I thought to ask about the TC that they do carry . . . which presumably use nickel coils.

Sorry for the long post - I talk too much in person, too. So would TC be what I'm looking for, really? And are nickel coils really a big deal?

Thanks,

V

 

[suprtrkr]

I'm not a medical pro, but I never heard of health trouble from nickel properly used. Dry firing the coils is supposed to be bad news.

 

[nyiddle]

Nickel coils are only a health risk if you're allergic to nickel. Otherwise, as far as most of us are aware, there are no health implications.

The reason behind "don't dry fire a TC coil" has to do with how it reads temperature. As the coil heats up, the resistance increases, and because it's pretty linear the device can calculate what temperature the resistance translates to. The wet wick is what keeps the coil from getting red hot (notice, a coil will never be red hot with cotton in it -- or at least, it shouldn't -- whereas it'll heat to red hot near instantaneously with no wick in it). It won't get to red-hot if the temperature protection is working. As a result, there is no "dry-firing" a nickel build unless you turn off temperature control (which I don't recommend doing with a nickel build, which is likely <.2 ohms). In terms of titanium, I've heard that oxidization of titanium can result in some sketchy chemicals burning off, which is the reason why using titanium (let alone dry firing it) is sort of "mystery zone" without further testing.

Hope that explains some stuff.

 

[Vknit]

Thank you, got it. So I could do temperature control with no extra worries.

Would temperature control be a solution for me, chain vaping until I burn things up? Or is there another way (but still easy) that I've just not made the connection to?

 

[nyiddle]

Thank you, got it. So I could do temperature control with no extra worries.

Would temperature control be a solution for me, chain vaping until I burn things up? Or is there another way (but still easy) that I've just not made the connection to?

I mean, my solution would be, "Don't chain vape till you burn things up"? Heh, I don't really ever burn things, and I don't use a TC mod.

 

[Vknit]

Well, yeah. Three months ago I would have had 5 cigarettes without thinking about it during certain phone calls. Now I chain vape without thinking about it during the same kind of phone calls. I was hoping some equipment would help moderate it for me.

 

[dc99]

Subbox Mini Kit - WakeandVape.com
From what you are describing this might be a good option. Anything will get warm when you chain vape it but this might put out enough for you without having to chain vape it and its decently price.

 

[josh w]

Wish I could help but I'm learning from your thread. I ordered my first tc mod so I'm still new to it. Keep the info coming guys!

 

[jseah]

Using a temp control mod won't necessarily prevent your tank from heating up if you chain vape. I tend to chain vape as well and my Atlantis 2's with nickel coils will get pretty warm when I chain vape. When you chain vape, what happens is you don't give the coil enough time to cool down, so the more you chain vape, the more often you hit temp control and your wattage gets limited. So if you're puffing away like a fiend, you may find yourself being limited to 7-15 watts regularly.

 

[AmandaD]

Just as an FYI, I'm extremely allergic to nickel on my skin, but I can vape nickel coils with no problems!

 

[josh w]

Carry two. When one gets warm, switch to the other?

 

[GeorgeS]

There is a solution - multiple mods+tanks.

I regularly have ether a low nic "toodle puffer" setup nearby along with a high nic one. I'll puff on the low nic tank until it starts getting warm then switch to the other setup for a short while as the other one cools off.

I like to think of it this way, swapping between different unique flavors (or a flavor and Unflavored) allows me to enjoy the flavor more.

 

[VapingBad]

Just as an FYI, I'm extremely allergic to nickel on my skin, but I can vape nickel coils with no problems!

Me to, been my ADV since October with no ill effects, the nickel allergy thing is just some Muppet adding 2 and 2 (& zero evidence), getting 7 (as that's the answer they wanted before they set the question) then it gets repeated around the web by well meaning people that take it on faith.

 

[josh w]

There is a solution - multiple mods+tanks.

I regularly have ether a low nic "toodle puffer" setup nearby along with a high nic one. I'll puff on the low nic tank until it starts getting warm then switch to the other setup for a short while as the other one cools off.

I like to think of it this way, swapping between different unique flavors (or a flavor and Unflavored) allows me to enjoy the flavor more.

Totally agree. I have different levels for different moods on hand and soon will have a vt mod to work beside my vw mod.

 

[Completely Average]

Nickel coils are only a health risk if you're allergic to nickel. Otherwise, as far as most of us are aware, there are no health implications.

The reason behind "don't dry fire a TC coil" has to do with how it reads temperature.

I need to write a correction here.

The first health risk with nickel is a nickel allergy, but that's not a problem for vaping, that's a problem for people who come in to physical contact with the nickel.

The second health risk, and the REAL reason you do not dry fire a nickel coil is because when nickel is heated over 650F it produces a toxic fumes which can be extremely dangerous if inhaled, especially over prolonged periods of time. Nickel fumes of just 30ppm is fatal. If the nickel combines with carbon monoxide it creates nickel carbonyl which is even more dangerous. It is the creation of these fumes and the dangers associated with them that is the reason why all TC mods have a maximum 600F limit.

At normal operating temperatures between 400F and 550F the nickel is too cool to produce toxic fumes. However, there is another aspect that still needs to be considered, and that is the juice that you are using. Specifically fruit flavorings that contain citric acid. The citric acid WILL react with the nickel, breaking the nickel down. The nickel will then leach into your juice and you WILL end up inhaling some nickel along with your vapor. In the short term high concentrations this can cause minor symptoms like headaches or vomiting, with prolonged exposure you could possibly develop hyperpnea, cyanosis, and/or respiratory failure. Chronic exposure to nickel inhalation can cause bronchitis, rhinitis, sinusitis, and pneumoconiosis, and is also carcinogenic.

Personally I would recommend not using any juice which contains ANY acidic flavorings with nickel coils.


Titanium is often touted as a safer alternative to nickel, but titanium has it's own health risks. Titanium oxides and titanium dioxide are also very hazardous. Titanium oxides are essentially titanium rust, and titanium dioxide is the fumes that come off the wire when it's heated too much. However, when it comes to vaping you'll NEVER get the wire hot enough to create titanium dioxide, the wire would have to be heated to over 600C or just over 1,100F, BUT titanium oxides convert to titanium dioxide at much lower temperature and can be a risk. In the case of titanium, acidic flavorings will not cause any leaching of the titanium itself, but if any oxides have formed on the wire the acids will strip the oxides off and you'll end up vaping the titanium oxides/dioxide. If you're using titanium make sure the wire is silvery and shiny. If it's dull or grayish in color DO NOT use it.

Inhaling titanium oxides/dioxide can cause inflammation of lung and sinus tissue and can cause the growth of tumors in the lungs, and it is carcinogenic.


These wires are safe for use in ecigs with temperature control, however, they may not be safe to use in combination with acidic flavorings. Be aware of the potential dangers and if you choose to use acidic flavorings, do so at your own risk.

 

[Vknit]

Thanks for the suggestions. Guess I'll stay away from the TC since I'm a sucker for citrus flavors. Saw all of your $ saved banners and checked on mine . . . over $800 already. No idea how much I've spent on vaping, but nowhere near that.

 

[Vknit]

Oh, and that subbox mini looks slick. Gonna look into that.

 

[dc99]

Its a really good kit for the price. One of the best bargains I have ran across and the vendor I listed is top notch. Some of the best cs I know of

 

[jdonn2009]

Man - That subbox looks sick - Also, chain vaipping means 1 of two things... 1: you may like the juice a little too much... Get more tanks. The other, you are using too low of nic. If its the latter, I'd suggest either getting used to the low level of nic and move on or up your nic level in your juice and than lower when you are ready. I was running 12 for prob 18 months until I got down to 6... With 6, it only took 3 months to get to 3. Honestly, I think my issue now is that I want nic and so the 3 is my "happy vape-ground". Kinda like a teddy bear

Anyways - the eVic VT Mod Starter Kit by Joyetech could be a good option. Comes with a tank and coils... You can get one online for about 70$

 

[kkiet]

try a higher nic level for awhile.