So, these make a coil that is as good as using the Gizmo? Really? Guess I'll have to give one a try.
Tensioned Micro Coils. The next step.
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If you wait for my vid there will be a lil but of explanation on how I can demonstrate that it does.
I believe he now owns a major share in Coil Master!
No. I did get the coil-masters and DIY kit free for video review purposes though.
Now you think them artistic wire coil gizmo would at least have said "thank you". Those dooch bags are prolly not smart enough to realize why their sales have gone way up - it's vapers not lil ol ladies winding jewelry who are responsible.
I'm not exactly Kate Upton
The reviews I have watched seem to use a thicker wire than I use. I use 29, and 30 gauge. I assume that the coil master works well on these smaller gauge wires as well. Probably where you would want to use the inner most peg hole?
If you wait for my vid there will be a lil but of explanation on how I can demonstrate that it does.
Ok, I will wait.
Ok, I will wait.
I'm waiting to see someone explain how coiling (forming) gets a wire to adhesion (closest proximity, turns pulling in on themselves). That's what ensures balanced oxidation in contact. Before that contact coils just got hot as formed contact isn't altogether that close. Every small gap increases resistance from the starting point with use, as I've described, if not best oxidized. So I'm curious for the answer too. The wire in a coil can only remember the state that it was wound. With hand winding in any form your milage may vary. With a t.m.c. nature sets the threshold of performance at the point of adhesion. The vape temp drop comp to alt winds is proof positive of increased vaporization when ya get it.
I happen to vape my fair share of ordinary hand winds, formed winds. Some done intensionally for side-by-side testing. Some done inadvertently didn't hit adhesion. At times they seem to perform the same, very close. So much so that laziness takes over and you ignore the dark spot in that third turn that you forced into shape. But the proof is in the tasting over time for the durability of the even color temp. Then you're convincingly reminded you could have had the practical alternative in 30 seconds. The adhesion of a tensioned micro is what addresses the short and unstable resistance.
Thirty seconds to a durable, reliable vape you can identify inside of two minutes with a 5$ device get's ya what you expected from the last time...sounds like a blessing to me.
Strain is a tool, a state in wire, not a preference or a gizmo. I've felt somewhat obliged to explain the science on ECF for the skeptics. But the long way 'round sure seems to have a lot of fans on this forum.
And t.m.c. or handwind, gizmo or coiler a coil is only as good as your build.
It's good to start with something that you know just works.
Good luck all.
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Ok SX, looks like your feet are being held to the fire here.
Nah, I'm a lazy old dude that likes stuff simple and duplicable. I've learned a lot from Mac. Actually I just got off the phone with him.
I got no dog in any fight cause I got no dogs and no fight
. I just do what works for me and if people like my bouncing boobies and wanna play my game I don't try to stop em Edited to add: we (Mac and I) may not see eye to eye in the coil master and I'm certain he knows a hell of a lot more about the physics of coils than me but I'm not Thomas Dolby and I'm blinded more by vapor, simplicity and ease of doing something than science
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Can I use a drill to make a good tensioned micro coil?
Essentially perform the first step of creating a Clapton build, then use that as the actual coil instead of wrapping again?
Or is it vital that I purchase a gizmo?
I do have a set of kuro coil tools coming from fasttech that I ordered before I actually started rebuilding (which I now realize was unnecessary), but I think that's different and the thinnest one is 2.5mm.
Essentially perform the first step of creating a Clapton build, then use that as the actual coil instead of wrapping again?
Or is it vital that I purchase a gizmo?
I do have a set of kuro coil tools coming from fasttech that I ordered before I actually started rebuilding (which I now realize was unnecessary), but I think that's different and the thinnest one is 2.5mm.
I've thought about the same thing, I think it would be a matter of speed control. I wrap at approximately 1 wrap per second with the gizmo, I am not sure that you could control it that well with a drill
Prolly will be the method I go to if my bad days keep coming. Then I'll go to winding multiple pairs. Work on my technique for separating winds and de-winding from a continuous run. So say spin off two pairs at a time. The advantage is they will be extremely paired in terms of strain. You're right E about the speed control as most drills can be very torquey when rotation vel is reduced so you must steady on the trigger. Too fast and you miss adhesion. Result, you'll get a contact coil much like a coiler with insufficient strain in the wire. You've done high speed forming as demonstrated on P. Busardo's recent video of China machine winders at Kanger. These coils are very hot as users all over ECF discovered. A great deal of heat/pulsing will be needed to get oxidation right and cure such winds (ref. @vapdivrr 2013 youtube video's on electrical annealing of hand wound contact coils for the REO).
The other factor is strain balance end to end. And for that you really need both ends of the mandrel secure. So using drill blanks or HSS rods work there. Just need to find or fabricate something to match up to your drill as a support for the bit. Then you have a pretty good solution. I've jury-rigged stuff that got me t.m.c.'s with the above approach. You will lose some at the beginning as speed/torque stabilizes and the wire bites. Then you're good for as many winds as you roll if you keep strain steady. I've gone straight off the spool in my tests simply holding the spool with a microfiber towel in the palm of my hand, screwdriver through the hole and thumb on the edge of the spool guiding/sensing the wire as it comes off. Get the spool as close to the bit as possible to minimize the attack angle to the bit and discourage skew. This requires some practice and I'm not saying this may be the best mechanics for you. The tendency with any mechanical is always to go too tight. Thats what you have to watch for. But it has helped me pull out some fat wire builds when I was too unsteady with the pin vise.
Tension winds fail under two circumstances; that is, inadequate or excess strain, the lack of adhesion. If I could take some liberty with an analogy for the zone I'd say it would be one of a tightrope walker and the balance bar he holds. The uniformity of strain imparted as you wind over the length being the equivalent to the effect of a balance bar distributing the load along the wind depending on its consistency. Move the strain level too far in one direction or another and balance is lost.
So like a microcoil being a product of both form and function, so is adhesion not merely a matter of closest proximity but dependent upon the balance of strain.
Good luck all.
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Nah, I'm a lazy old dude that likes stuff simple and duplicable. I've learned a lot from Mac. Actually I just got off the phone with him.
I got no dog in any fight cause I got no dogs and no fight
Edited to add: we (Mac and I) may not see eye to eye in the coil master and I'm certain he knows a hell of a lot more about the physics of coils than me but I'm not Thomas Dolby and I'm blinded more by vapor, simplicity and ease of doing something than science
Coil master??? Wow! Can't wait for the video.
I've been working so hard on mastering proper tension with my Gizmos and Cigamajig. But I have to admit that I often wondered about those coil master thingys. They look so easy and user-friendly.
I like easy.
Yeah, finally...I mentioned the Coil Master back in post #540, which was poo-poo'd by some. No big deal, (and I continue to use the Coil Master with fantastic results) but I must say that I do feel a tinge of vindication by SuperX and his admitted fall to the dark side.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ed-micro-coils-next-step-14.html#post15437524
I remember your post....
So... hoola hoop is back?
I remember your post....
So... hoola hoop is back?
I can eat crow with the best of em
. Truth was / is I had never mounted, much less vaped a coil from the coil master until their persistence with sending me that kit spurned my curiosity. I figured, these guys have balls sending me this deal again so maybe I should give it a second look. The coils vaped the same if not better than the ones I was making previously.
Now let me say that I may not make as good a tensioned wind as Mac. But I see no difference between the vape between these or the ones I used a fishing reel or hand applied force to tension with the gizmo.
I don't have the patience for winding on a pin vice either.
There are only two possible conclusions for me:
1. My tensioned could were not really tensioned coils and sucked balls.
Or
2. There is no discernible difference between my tensioned coils and these.
And I also have to realize that removing the starter wrap, while not my favorite sport, takes about as much effort and concentration as mouthing the gizmo to my desk getting out my reel and fastening the wire in the wingnut, so it's 1/2 dozen of one vs six of the other.
Bottom line for me is I can be pretty stubborn and quick to dismiss a method that conflicts with something I've put a lot of time and effort into.
Even at my age, we learn new stuff all the time, every day and one of the things I have a hard time learning is to try different approaches even if they initially appear to be a joke.
Burp. That was a lot of crow. But it tastes good. I'll take seconds please
I can eat crow with the best of em
That was a lot of crow. But it tastes good. I'll take seconds please
It takes a big man to eat crow.............I for one appreciate your honesty!
I can eat crow with the best of em
Good for you!
This is very good news, really. Which one did you get? There are several models on the market.
Curiouser and curiouser...
I agree. That's why I like Cig's cigamajig so much--it's small, portable, takes any size rod (V2) and no unwinding.
Thanks Cig!
Bottom line for me is I can be pretty stubborn and quick to dismiss a method that conflicts with something I've put a lot of time and effort into.
Even at my age, we learn new stuff all the time, every day and one of the things I have a hard time learning is to try different approaches even if they initially appear to be a joke.
Burp. That was a lot of crow. But it tastes good. I'll take seconds please
I think I'm ready to try one. Thanks, Super!
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