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Nightowl007

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I have searched for the answer to this, but have not found it. I have found tons of TFA only recipes, I have tried those, and all have this funny taste. I just recently purchased 20 to 25 flavors from WL, all TFA. I used a hodgepodge of flavors before from CAP, FW, TFA, LA...but I have never noticed this before. Sorry for the long post, but this is where I am at and what I have tried:

Now, I use TFA only for about 99% of my blends. I have some old CAP, LA, and I think 1 other flavor company other than TFA, but most of my blends are TFA only. I have made a test batch of each flavor at 10% flavor in an 80/20 VG/PG blend with 0 nic. I had a vape party where several of us got together and tasted all of the single flavors in our RDA's. We took notes as to which tasted good by themselves, which tasted like the name of the flavor, and which were just NOPE! I made a peanut butter cheesecake that was pretty tasty, but eventually began to have this strange chemical taste. Everyone who has tried any of my blends say the same thing (one exception, see below). I have all new PG, VG, and nic. Nothing over 2 months old. Always stored in a cool dark place. Lid off only in use, as soon as I'm finished with each juice, the lid is back on before I go to the next.

Some things I have tried are: more PG, which helped bring the flavor up. More VG with no added PG except what is in the flavors, took a lot more flavor to get the taste up there obviously. Made a few 0 nic blends at 50/50, at 60/40, and 70/30 all VG/PG respectively. All of these still have the chemical taste. I have tried bake and vape, hot water steeping, 1-3 week steeping, and none of this gets rid of the chemical taste.

There is only 3 things that seems to get rid of the chemical taste, and I know this sounds weird, is to make single flavor only blends or some of the fruity blends work better when I add honeydew melon.

I started this post separate because I am not looking for a recipe, but rather trying to see if anyone else is experiencing the same strange chemical taste. It seems to me that when I mix more than 2 or 3 flavors is when the chemical taste is the worst.

Oh, the 3 thing that gets rid of the chemical taste, which is VERY strange, is this: Most of us use RDTA's or RDA's and that is when the chemical taste is the worst. When I use a tank such as the TFV8 with a stock coil, I, nor anyone else that uses any tank with a stock coil, cannot taste the chemical taste. It is as if the cotton being on the outside of the coil such as in the case of the stock coil tank versus the cotton being on the inside of the coil, is the issue. Almost as if the stock coil is "filtering" the ejuice. I vape them both basically the same wattage settings: higher PG= lower wattage (30 to 60), higher VG= higher wattage (80 to 150+). I have tried to crank the higher PG, but we all know what happens...gurgle and massive spit back!

BTW...my usual blend is: 80/20 VG/PG, 5 nic, 4 to 5 flavors @ 24% to 28% flavor. When I drop to a 60/40 VG/PG blend or lower, I can get away with a 20% flavor using the same recipe as the 80/20 recipe.

I mix using e-liquid Calculator. I start with VG, then PG, then flavors go in from highest amount to lowest amount, then the nic. I use separate syringes for each liquid going into the batch. I use a dremel tool with a blender bit to mix the batch. This works awesome as I only have to blend for about 30 seconds versus the shake method. I only use this dremel tool for my DIY ejuice. I have mixed up several batches without the dremel tool as well thinking there is too much air being blended into the batch. I switched to the dremel tool because I was having several batches of ejuice separate after it sat for a day or so no matter how much I shook it. Since the dremel tool, I have not had a single batch separate.

Other than going to all CAP flavors (which I have tried and could not make a bad batch of flavor using...trust me, I tried!), I am stumped. Thanks for any advice!
 

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No. The VG/PG and NIC are all from WL.
Ok. Have you always used RDA's or is this a recent thing? If not, then I can think think of only a couple of things that may have happened.

1. The flavors somehow are not the same as originals(unlikely)
2. Your tastes are changing.(or finally totally healed) from the years of smoking.

Does WL rebottle the flavors they sell? Maybe something in their processing is different?

Sorry, I can't be of more help.
 
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Ok. Have you always used RDA's or is this a recent thing? If not, then I can think think of only a couple of things that may have happened.

1. The flavors somehow are not the same as originals(unlikely)
2. Your tastes are changing.(or finally totally healed) from the years of smoking.

Does WL rebottle the flavors they sell? Maybe something in their processing is different?

Sorry, I can't be of more help.

Don't be sorry. Any advice is helpful. I will delve a little further into this.

I have used RTA's for quite some time. There, in and of itself, is something that I have noticed in the past. I used a Kangertech Toptank with the RTA section. That was nice, but did not give me the air flow I was wanting. It was too loose for MTL and too tight for DL. I tried several different RTA's since the Kangertech and none gave me the flavor or air flow I was looking for. I switched to the Smok TFV8 and that RTA section just plain stinks! The stock TFV8 coils are some of the best I have ever used and they know it, judging from the price.

I purchased the ijoy limitless and really enjoy this setup. It does not matter much if I use single coil or dual coil on flavor, air flow is better with dual coil. I would like a little more air flow than this provides, but over all I am pleased. Store bought ejuice tastes good trough it, CAP blends taste good through it, and all of my single blends taste good through it. Although, the single blends I have made are TFA, they did not contain NIC...hmmm....I am going to have to mix some VG/PG, try that to see if that weird taste is there, and if it is not, add a little NIC to it to see if that weird flavor rears its ugly little head!
 

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Don't be sorry. Any advice is helpful. I will delve a little further into this.

I switched to the Smok TFV8 and that RTA section just plain stinks! The stock TFV8 coils are some of the best I have ever used and they know it, judging from the price.

I am just finding this one out too. And it is very unstable in term of staying put on the ohms. Right now, I have it on a G-Priv and its acting ok, for the moment.

Although, the single blends I have made are TFA, they did not contain NIC...hmmm....I am going to have to mix some VG/PG, try that to see if that weird taste is there, and if it is not, add a little NIC to it to see if that weird flavor rears its ugly little head!

Sounds like a plan to me. Let us know how it works out.

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Confirmed: the weird flavor is not there with VG/PG/NIC @ 70VG 30PG 50 mil batch at 4% NIC. There is not a flavor at all until I get a cotton dry hit taste.

Just a side note, plain VG/PG/NIC is actually not bad, at least at 4% NIC. It only has a slightly sweet flavor to it. Most likely from the VG.
 
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You know JC is right. Some flavors need to breathe with the cap off for a few days so the ethyl alcohol can evaporate. Also, you mentioned using peanut butter in your first post. When I make my ejuice using peanut butter, it taste like 'crap' until it has steeped for 3 weeks.

Could you tell us what other flavors you are using so we can help you pinpoint the problem?

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You know JC is right. Some flavors need to breathe with the cap off for a few days so the ethyl alcohol can evaporate. Also, you mentioned using peanut butter in your first post. When I make my ejuice using peanut butter, it taste like 'crap' until it has steeped for 3 weeks.

Could you tell us what other flavors you are using so we can help you pinpoint the problem?

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Strawberry
French Vanilla
Pineapple
Almond
Grape Candy
Juicy Peach
Marshmallow
Sweet Cream
Blueberry Extra
Cheesecake Graham Crust
Coconut Extra
Peanut Butter
Honeydew II
Watermelon
RY4 Double
Rainbow Drops
Dragon Fruit
Maraschino Cherry
Smooth

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I have been into DIY for about 1.5 years. I purchased TFA because of the cost savings and I did not find horrible reviews. Was that a bad idea?

Basically, what I have learned is steeping obviously takes time, and I have no patience! Steeping with the lid of is the confusing part for me because, if I'm correct, there is a fine line there. The VG doesn't like to be open too long, but the ethyl alcohol needs to breath off...ugh! I have a day off here and there so I like to bake and vape. If I have to, I guess I could order other brands that do not have the ethyl alcohol, but from what I have researched, TFA had a great flavor...if you can wait for the steeping to complete!

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I haven't had problems with TFA, and as long as you are getting it from a reputable source, I do think what you are looking at is a steeping issue.

I'm impatient about steeping, too. After a while it becomes more bearable as you identify your favorite diy mixes and have some steeping in the background while you vape your current batch. Also, for speeding up the steeping process once you've got a good batch, you can "seed steep" by adding 10% of your already steeped liquid to the new batch. This cuts down steeping time a lot.

If you want to make something and vape it NOW, look for "shake and vape" recipes.

For recipes that need steeping and include flavors with alcohol, I don't open-air steep at all. Sorry, there's just too much dust, pollen and invisible particles floating around, and I don't have any lab-clean cupboards that don't get opened and closed on a fairly regular basis. Instead, I do what I just discovered is called "steathing" (I think?), a combo of steeping and breathing, by putting smaller amounts in larger bottles, so the alcohol evaporates into the "extra" air in the bottle, rather than being completely open. But even if I don't do the larger bottle trick, the flavors will eventually come together without needing to leave the bottle open.

It's difficult for me to get jazzed about mixing something I won't be able to use for two or three weeks, so I get you on that. Mix a shake and vape at the same time as you make a "steeper" so you have something for a little instant gratification. :)
 

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@Nightowl007- IMO, there's nothing wrong with TFA flavorings, nor with getting them from Wizard Labs. I have in excess of 140 flavorings now, and 120 of them at least...are TFA that I've gotten from WL. I've had no problems with them in general.

I know the Strawberry and the Juicy Peach both definitely have ethyl alcohol in them. There may be a couple others on your list, too, but I'd have to doublecheck them on the WL website to be sure.

Letting it evaporate off is no big deal really. I just shake the heck out of the bottle of DIY I've made, and then leave the dropper tip and cap off. Put it somewhere it won't get knocked over for a few days (2-3 at most for mine) and shake it several times a day during that time. When the EA is gone, you'll have a very smooth, non-chemically taste to the eliquid.

Most of my recipes I make ARE shake and vape! The only ones I don't vape right away are the ones with EA and a few that have custard in them. The custard ones I just use my little Norpro Deluxe Cordless Mini Mixer on them ($7 on eBay) as soon as I make them. (One of the little attachments easily fits down into the little opening on the 50mL and 100mL bottles I make my eliquids in.) Leave them alone for 3-4 days at most...and they're great! I won't make anything that takes longer than that.
 

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@Nightowl007- IMO, there's nothing wrong with TFA flavorings, nor with getting them from Wizard Labs. I have in excess of 140 flavorings now, and 120 of them at least...are TFA that I've gotten from WL. I've had no problems with them in general.

I know the Strawberry and the Juicy Peach both definitely have ethyl alcohol in them. There may be a couple others on your list, too, but I'd have to doublecheck them on the WL website to be sure.

Letting it evaporate off is no big deal really. I just shake the heck out of the bottle of DIY I've made, and then leave the dropper tip and cap off. Put it somewhere it won't get knocked over for a few days (2-3 at most for mine) and shake it several times a day during that time. When the EA is gone, you'll have a very smooth, non-chemically taste to the eliquid.

Most of my recipes I make ARE shake and vape! The only ones I don't vape right away are the ones with EA and a few that have custard in them. The custard ones I just use my little Norpro Deluxe Cordless Mini Mixer on them ($7 on eBay) as soon as I make them. (One of the little attachments easily fits down into the little opening on the 50mL and 100mL bottles I make my eliquids in.) Leave them alone for 3-4 days at most...and they're great! I won't make anything that takes longer than that.
I seriously read your comment and ordered the Norpro Deluxe Cordless Mini Mixer on eBay! That is very similar to my Dremel and if it works, I will use my Dremel the way it is supposed to be used!

Thank you all for the comments and help!

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I seriously read your comment and ordered the Norpro Deluxe Cordless Mini Mixer on eBay! That is very similar to my Dremel and if it works, I will use my Dremel the way it is supposed to be used!

I hope you like what it does for your DIY, too!

I just made a 120mL batch of some Peach Cobbler that I love, Saturday night. When I used to make it before I got the little mixer...I'd shake it like crazy then let it sit for at least a week or more before it was IMO great tasting.

Since I bought that little mixer about 6 months ago and have been using it on the Peach Cobbler and a few others...it's wonderful much quicker! Just 2 minutes ago loaded my tank with some of what I made Saturday night, and it's great already! :thumbs:
 

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Not trying to answer for JC, just giving my 2 cents. I use my Dremel for DIY juice only. That way it stay clean. I do know even on low, it is a bit too fast IMO. I used to shake my juice for 4 or 5 minutes. Not all at once, but after a total of several shakes. I would have separation issues when I shake my recipes. After it sat for a while I could literally see the different layers, sometimes even 3 separate layers. After switching to the Dremel I have not had any recipe separate. However, there is a ton of air bubbles. Especially in smaller batches. In larger batches, say 300 MIL batches, the air bubbles are much easier to control and keep from getting into the blend. I will mix at least 30 seconds or until the whole batch appears even. You can see the different layers as it blends. It's actually pretty cool to watch and SO much less effort!

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How long do you whisk it with the mixer, JC?

For 50-120mL batches, I do it for about 30 seconds at the most. Really mixes it and froths it up well in that short time. Just make sure you have your eliquid in a bottle big enough to allow for it to expand alittle while mixing it. Bazillions of little tiny air bubbles it makes...you know?

By the way, it's the attachment that looks like a stick, but is split down the middle lengthwise for about the bottom 1-1.5" of it...that works in the small openings of the bottle. It flairs out so the 2 halves of it separate when it spins around.
 
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