TH Boosters/Alternatives: Anyone tried any?

[Mindfield]

So here's what I'm finding I need to do: I need to cut down my nicotine drastically. Currently vaping 24mg but I seem to have reached my limit -- that is, 24mg is clearly too high and I've been vaping it long enough now that my body is telling me to give it a rest already. But if I lower nic content, I lower TH, and TH is something I need above all else. So I'm looking into TH boosters. Well, technically they're supposed to be 0-nic alternatives to vaping that give TH, but if I can vape ~12mg and boost the TH with it I'll be a happy man. That said, I'm interested in knowing if anyone has tried any of the following:

- Flash from FlavourArt
- Throat Hit Plus from The VaporPro
- Nicotine Substitute from VaporRenu
- Chill Factor from BlueMist (apparently delivers throat hit as well)

Anyone have experience with any of these? I basically want the TH I'm getting now out of 24mg but with significantly less nicotine in my juices.

 

[themysterious1]

Im in the same boat you are I will be watching this thread for sure.

 

[Levitas]

Personally, I would avoid anything that increased the TH, (aside of flavorings and nicotine), but that's just me. One reason being, none of those companies advertise what exactly is causing the increase. Another is, I'm already slightly concerned about inhaling the flavorings them selves, I don't want to add another ingredient to the mix

These are all just my personal preferences and opinions.

 

[Mindfield]

Personally, I would avoid anything that increased the TH, (aside of flavorings and nicotine), but that's just me. One reason being, none of those companies advertise what exactly is causing the increase. Another is, I'm already slightly concerned about inhaling the flavorings them selves, I don't want to add another ingredient to the mix

These are all just my personal preferences and opinions.

Personally I'm not all that concerned. With regards to inhaling flavouring agents, it's not like that's something we don't do every day anyway; any time you smell cooking you're inhaling atomized agents within the food, be they essential oils, flavinoids, fats or even the carcinogens from grilling meats.

I'd be happier if I knew the ingredients in these boosters, sure. VaporRenu do at least mention that their nic substitute is an all-natural capsicum/capsaicin blend, which means it's essentially like a little dab of pepper spray, which sounds a little harsh to me and potentially an irritant for the lungs long term. (Although it's not like cigarette smoke isn't, to say nothing of the cinnamaldehydes so many enjoy, myself included...)

Frankly I'm not too worried. I doubt there's any way I could slice vaping that would make it in any way worse than smoking.

 

[Thank You]

ive bought from vaporpro before... so i'm curious if anyones purchased that item from them.

keep this thread elevated!

i wouldnt mind increasing my TH and dropping my mg.. i'm also @ 24mg

 

[Darrigaaz]

If you decide to go with Chill Factor from Bluemist, be warned that it is some strong stuff. I added 5 drops into a 5ml bottle (figured 1 drop per ml to start with and go up from there), and the juice is very "chilled". It's doesn't give it a minty feeling, as you might expect. It basically just really increases the TH, and mostly on the exhale.

Edit: To give some idea of how hard it hits, the juice I added it to was 0mg juice, and now it hits like my friend's 24mg juice.

 

[mistinthewoods]

Mindfield, I have successfully reduced my nic level from 24mg down to 0, nada, zilch. I did it over a period of about a year and a half, reducing by 6mg every three or four months. I never really noticed the loss of throat hit doing it that gradually.
I was a pack a day plus smoker from 12 years old until I started vaping at 52 so I'd say I was fairly addicted to nicotine.
I started reducing at about the 4 month mark mainly just out of curiosity. I wanted to see if I'd notice a difference between 24 and 18 and I really didn't. I mix my own juice so it was easy to cut it back.
By the time I was at 6mg for a couple weeks I thought, "dang, I just cut the nic in half and I didn't feel any different. 6mg is almost nothing so I might as well just start mixing 0 nic."
I've been vaping simply for the flavor and enjoyment of it for well over a month now with no cravings or issues of any kind and when I come across some old bottle of a flavor I mixed up when I was using, say, 12mg it just about chokes me out.
My point is that you can slowly wean yourself from the need for throat hit too. Just do it real gradually.

 

[hmm]

Hi all,
Is it safe to assume that most or all of these are TH enhancers for exhales? I'd like to see the same for the inhale.

 

[John Phoenix]

Mindfield, I haven't tried a booster but i'm wondering.. do you mix your own? Have you tried straight PG or VG? If so you you find one or the other helps some? Also depending on the type of atty/ carto you use some can feel harsher than others simulating TH.

 

[Levitas]

Personally I'm not all that concerned. With regards to inhaling flavouring agents, it's not like that's something we don't do every day anyway; any time you smell cooking you're inhaling atomized agents within the food, be they essential oils, flavinoids, fats or even the carcinogens from grilling meats.

Yes, but you're not inhaling those vapors at the same levels, or consistency as when you're vaping

Frankly I'm not too worried. I doubt there's any way I could slice vaping that would make it in any way worse than smoking.

Oh, I'm sure I could find a way to make vaping WAY more dangerous than smoking I never would, I would see no reason to. But, this is also why I feel that adding additional ingredients to the mix to add TH could be potentially harmful, when used long-term. Plus, I don't see a point to compare 'being less harmful than smoking' anymore (not when we're talking vaper to vaper), because I do not smoke, do not wish to smoke and will no longer do so, ever again. Therefore, my mind is set on vaping and vaping alone and all of the possible repercussions, if any, of doing so

I could be wrong. There could be a miracle ingredient out there that poses no problem to our respiratory system and at the same time, effectively increase TH (hell, if this existed, I'd move straight to 0 nic ).

 

[Mindfield]

If you decide to go with Chill Factor from Bluemist, be warned that it is some strong stuff. I added 5 drops into a 5ml bottle (figured 1 drop per ml to start with and go up from there), and the juice is very "chilled". It's doesn't give it a minty feeling, as you might expect. It basically just really increases the TH, and mostly on the exhale.

Edit: To give some idea of how hard it hits, the juice I added it to was 0mg juice, and now it hits like my friend's 24mg juice.

Well, perhaps I should specify: I'm very specifically looking for stuff that boosts the kick to the throat on the inhale. I don't really care one way or the other how it feels on the exhale as long as it's got that kick on the inhale.

Mindfield, I have successfully reduced my nic level from 24mg down to 0, nada, zilch. I did it over a period of about a year and a half, reducing by 6mg every three or four months. I never really noticed the loss of throat hit doing it that gradually.
I was a pack a day plus smoker from 12 years old until I started vaping at 52 so I'd say I was fairly addicted to nicotine.
I started reducing at about the 4 month mark mainly just out of curiosity. I wanted to see if I'd notice a difference between 24 and 18 and I really didn't. I mix my own juice so it was easy to cut it back.
By the time I was at 6mg for a couple weeks I thought, "dang, I just cut the nic in half and I didn't feel any different. 6mg is almost nothing so I might as well just start mixing 0 nic."
I've been vaping simply for the flavor and enjoyment of it for well over a month now with no cravings or issues of any kind and when I come across some old bottle of a flavor I mixed up when I was using, say, 12mg it just about chokes me out.
My point is that you can slowly wean yourself from the need for throat hit too. Just do it real gradually.

My thing though is that gradual reduction may work but only if I take it in really small grades. A drop of 6mg at a stretch won't seem like much at the beginning but each step down is a larger percentage drop that I'll start noticing really fast.

It isn't really the nicotine I'm worried about, either -- I know I can drop that right down and my body probably won't react much; withdrawal symptoms from straight nicotine (as opposed to nicotine as a constituent of cigarettes) are quite mild, it turns out -- at least if you don't go from some high amount to 0 right away. I can probably cut myself down from 24 to 6-12 without even blinking. It's the psychological impact of the sensations -- the throat hit in particular -- that I enjoy so much and that would be missed most of all in such a cut, which is why I'd need something to maintain TH even as I halve or even quarter my nic intake. That's my issue: I like the TH. A lot. So I need to be able to preserve it while dropping the nic way down.

Hi all,
Is it safe to assume that most or all of these are TH enhancers for exhales? I'd like to see the same for the inhale.

I may be misunderstanding other people's definitions of TH, but to me, TH specifically refers to the kick on the inhale. Anything else is a secondary effect of whatever it is you're inhaling, such as the cooling of menthol or Chill Factor. From what I understand, Flash, Throat Hit Plus, and VaporRenu's nicotine alternative all provide my definition of TH. Chill Factor I'm not certain about. It sounds like it produces a lot of secondary cooling but I've no specific information on the TH on the inhale.

Mindfield, I haven't tried a booster but i'm wondering.. do you mix your own? Have you tried straight PG or VG? If so you you find one or the other helps some? Also depending on the type of atty/ carto you use some can feel harsher than others simulating TH.

I do not yet mix my own other than diluting the juices I have with vodka but I am in the process of getting the shopping list together to start making my own very soon. When I do most of my juices will be between 70 and 80% PG with the rest being VG. Generally speaking though PG gives more TH than VG.

 

[Mindfield]

Yes, but you're not inhaling those vapors at the same levels, or consistency as when you're vaping

True, but mainly I was just making the point that it's all a matter of degrees rather than is/is not harmful.

Oh, I'm sure I could find a way to make vaping WAY more dangerous than smoking I never would, I would see no reason to. But, this is also why I feel that adding additional ingredients to the mix to add TH could be potentially harmful, when used long-term. Plus, I don't see a point to compare 'being less harmful than smoking' anymore (not when we're talking vaper to vaper), because I do not smoke, do not wish to smoke and will no longer do so, ever again. Therefore, my mind is set on vaping and vaping alone and all of the possible repercussions, if any, of doing so

I could be wrong. There could be a miracle ingredient out there that poses no problem to our respiratory system and at the same time, effectively increase TH (hell, if this existed, I'd move straight to 0 nic ).

Well, sure, I could make vaping deadly if I wanted to, but I was mainly referring to the way it is right now from reputable vendors -- that regardless of what any long-term studies uncover about PV, VG or various flavourings it still couldn't possibly be as bad as smoking was. I find it hard to take the act of vaping and whatever potential dangers it may possess in isolation though. It was what got me off of smoking and so I find it only useful to compare it to smoking from a health and safety perspective. I know vaping isn't healthy -- nobody does it to improve health beyond nominal -- but as a means of reducing harm compared to cigarettes it strikes me as almost a triviality to worry about what might be harmful in vapor when we spent so much of our lives busily cramming much worse into our lungs.

 

[BWG707]

This is something that I'm very interested in also. I would love to reduced my nic. level but keep the T.H. I vape 36mg when I can and alot of times there is not much of a T.H. with those juices. Some 24mg juice has a better T.H. than some 36mg flavors. The other thing is that I would rather stay away from using menthol to get that T.H. And the T.H. has to be on the inhale. If there are any additives out there that could help achieve this I would love to hear about them.

 

[Mindfield]

Okay, so I've ordered a 100ml bottle of Flash from FlavorArt and am in the process of having someone order and forward a few bottles of Throat Hit Plus to me. (I can't order it direct because Vapor Pro don't have an export license so they can only sell to US citizens currently.) I am going to try those first, and maybe try some of Vapor Renu's nicotine alternative at some point as well just so I can compare the three. Not sure if I'll be trying Chill Factor as I don't think that provides throat hit in the way I think of it.

The Flash likely won't be here for 2-3 weeks and I'm probably looking at 2 weeks or so for the THP to get here, given the circuitous route it has to take to get to me. I'll try them both out for a period of time and post a review of the two.

 

[washvap]

You should try vaping at a higher voltage such as 5V if you feel that you need a better TH. Just my 2 cents.

 

[mistinthewoods]

It isn't really the nicotine I'm worried about, either -- I know I can drop that right down and my body probably won't react much; withdrawal symptoms from straight nicotine (as opposed to nicotine as a constituent of cigarettes) are quite mild, it turns out -- at least if you don't go from some high amount to 0 right away. I can probably cut myself down from 24 to 6-12 without even blinking. It's the psychological impact of the sensations -- the throat hit in particular -- that I enjoy so much and that would be missed most of all in such a cut, which is why I'd need something to maintain TH even as I halve or even quarter my nic intake. That's my issue: I like the TH. A lot. So I need to be able to preserve it while dropping the nic way down.
I do not yet mix my own other than diluting the juices I have with vodka but I am in the process of getting the shopping list together to start making my own very soon. When I do most of my juices will be between 70 and 80% PG with the rest being VG. Generally speaking though PG gives more TH than VG.

My experience is that TH is tied mostly to the nic level although PG gives more than VG. I still have juice around that I mixed a while back that is 12mg or so. I get enough throat hit from that stuff to choke me a bit.
Mixing is real easy. I started mixing about a month after I started vaping. Saved me a ton of money. Now that I'm not using nic I figured that my 6 mls of juice a day costs me about $0.16. Mixing also gives you complete control over and confidence in what's in your juice.

 

[Mindfield]

You should try vaping at a higher voltage such as 5V if you feel that you need a better TH. Just my 2 cents.

This does help, but only to a small degree. I'm currently vaping some French Toast from Juicy Vapor that I took from 24mg down to 12mg by mixing 50% of the original juice with about 20% vodka (80 proof) and 30% VG, and it provides an excellent vape at around 4.8V with good TH and still a decent amount of flavor (and naturally tons of vapor thanks to the VG). But if I take it much higher I start getting a burnt juice and plastic taste. (I'm vaping on the Fluxomizer Deluxes from GotVapes) Still, halving the nic has helped immensely and the alcohol helps restore some of the lost TH and provide a nice warmth. It's not where I want it with regards to the TH but it's sufficient to satisfy me enough to keep my TH cravings at bay until I can try out some of these TH enhancers.

My experience is that TH is tied mostly to the nic level although PG gives more than VG. I still have juice around that I mixed a while back that is 12mg or so. I get enough throat hit from that stuff to choke me a bit.
Mixing is real easy. I started mixing about a month after I started vaping. Saved me a ton of money. Now that I'm not using nic I figured that my 6 mls of juice a day costs me about $0.16. Mixing also gives you complete control over and confidence in what's in your juice.

All very good reasons I've finally dived into the DIY pool (or will once my supplies arrive). I've spent a huge amount of money on the raw materials, but those materials are likely going to last me a hell of a long time. Plus I can tailor each juice to my exact liking, and I know exactly what's in them.