"The Ban" and your (my) addiction

[1inchgroup]

[bad dream]
So, you wake up one morning and realize the .......s actually did it. Nationwide ban on anything ecig related starts today. You've been doing your homework though and have prepared as best you can. Big tupperware bin holds the stash of hoarded atomizers and batteries, mountains of blank carts, maybe a mod or two so you have more flexibility on your power sources, nifty adapters that let you mix and match your components. Opening the full fridge crisper drawer, you think you've got enough stashed to last you a year at your current rate.

At some point, the box in the closet is going to empty of one component...maybe the juice runs out. That creeping sense of dread (remember the Oh crap, I've got one smoke left and the store closes in five minutes) comes back and you realize you have no way to kill the jones.
[/bad dream]

My attraction to these things is the ability to cut my nicotine level down while still getting the smoking feeling...but I can see the attraction to continuing the use of a PV. So far I love it. Many of you do too...and have gotten to maybe enjoy that extra nicotine rush you never used to get with cigarettes beyond the first few times.

Did your addiction get worse?

What happens when that day comes, and you have to look at a pack of smokes again. Think a pack of Marlboro Reds is going to give you the same hit you got vaping 60mg fluid uncut?

I'm just curious whether people have thought about this. I could see me making my addiction a lot worse if I don't exercise a lot of self control and maybe keep a notebook on how much I'm consuming. Does anyone else keep a log of some sort or do you just kind of drip and vape whenever the urge comes? How about cutting your juice...I notice a few people cut their night time juice to a lower level so they can vape more, is that common with everyone?

Lots of questions. Just ordered a Janty Stick by the way. You guys are killing me with all your reviews, I want one of each.

 

[HaploVoss]

My wife vapes a little higher nic than I do, but we both just vape the same nic all day. Neither of us are uber-vapers. Between the two of us we go through 1 30 mL bottle a week with letting people try it some.

We hope to be able to stockpile on some more stoofs, but we're not sure what we are going to do. We both enjoy vaping and had not planned on quitting. We had *replaced* smoking and that was our desire. If and when we run out of supplies if the FDA bans everything... then we will have to quit I suppose. I hate this.

- Hap

 

[Stubby]

It's a very good reason to look into other forms of nicotine. The choices are not e-cigs or cigarettes. There is also snus, nasal snuff, and dissolvables. All are good sources of nicotine, in fact likely better then e-cigs, and all are considered reduced harm.

If you give yourself more options your chance of staying off the cigarettes will be vastly improved.

 

[Darkest]

I could see myself riding down a dirt road in a old beat up Chevy, with a ten gallon tank under the back seat and a shotgun. According to my Grandmother it runs in the family.

 

[Overlord]

I have thought about this. Im currently in the midst of figuring out how to build a mod COMPLETELY from local bought items. Nothing purchased online including batteries which seems to be my main problem.

The one thing I do miss about analogs is the ability to run to the local store and get some. I want that same convience from vaping. Maybe not as convienient, but I want to be self sufficient from local items.

That includes
- Batteries / parts for mod I can run up to the store to get
- Atomizer (still havn't figured this out)
- Juice (home brew with snus and PG)

If we can manage all this, a ban shouldn't be too much of a worry. If its just the atomizers that we all can't replicate, then that would be okay to just have to order those now. Could get a lot of atomizers for what people spend on juice/batteries/cases, etc

 

[keyzygirl]

What would happen if you soak snus in 100proof then mix small amounts with vg and flavor.Would it work?

 

[DaMulta]

I will just import things to my house from other countries.

 

[PatriciafromCO]

Is it the majority census of everyone that needing to vape nic, is as intense as needing to smoke nic????

The reason I ask, is because I tried the patches, and the gum several times and put more nicotine in my system trying to make the patches and the gum work and never found the comfort zone that lasted as well as picking up vaping nicotine at just 6mg level to be able to walk away from smoking that day,, for finding the over all comfort zone of just getting the nicotine...

I'm thinking ban or no ban,, when equiptment/ supplies that I have break, wear out, run out,,, I just not going to replace them... I'm just over time not feeling the intensity of the addiction,, it's just not the same feeling that I would kill someone for the nicotine under there fingernails like it was with smoking analogs ...

So was just wondering for the long time users how do you feel ?? is it the same intense addiction as it was for smoking analogs.

I'm still addicted still vaping and enjoying it (no one get me wrong on that lol) but I find myself not wanting to lug everything around with me to vape,, or wanting to stop what I am currently doing to go take a vape break,, and a pain in the .... lol to have to boot up my computer since I am only using passthroughs now,, just for a couple of minutes of vape time... actually less trouble to just finish what I am doing or going or what ever the get to a vape break when I can really sit down with some relax time and enjoy it....

I kind of picture the future of not having any supplies and just being able to shrub it off by then. Smoking analogs use to me my life, every waking moment it was my life,,, I don't feel that the addiction feels the same for vaping.. still enjoyable, still soothing affects,,, but not crazy , world ending chaos like analogs....

so just wondering for everyone else who has been vaping a good amount of time if the addiction feels different...

 

[PeteNJulia]

"so just wondering for everyone else who has been vaping a good amount of time if the addiction feels different... "

We've been vaping three months and yes it's different. Cigarettes had a MUCH STRONGER hold on us than our vapes. We don't obsess about when our next vape will be---cigarettes preoccupied our minds much more. Another reason it's better than smoking!!

 

[YKruss]

What would happen if you soak snus in 100proof then mix small amounts with vg and flavor.Would it work?

You don't have to use 100 proof but go straight with VG.
Tropical Bob already tried this and succeeded http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/smokeless-tobacco/33923-tobacco-e-cig.html

 

[Drunkwaco]

I've got a buddy that twice a year he flys down to japan and buys enough Asian p*@n to fill 2 metal overseas shipping containers. then ship it all back to the USA to sell here. If i can't find someone in my area already doing that then i'd do it my self

 

[1inchgroup]

Never in a million years thought that there would be enough demand for tentacle pron to fill 2 shipping containers

Thanks again for the replies, I kind of figured people (including myself) would attempt to sidestep the ban using either already acquired sources or ones that are found by word of mouth here...like it's been mentioned before, you can still get pot seeds in the mail in the US. I won't describe how they are shipped, but I saw one of their containers in my other life. Very ingenious, as a matter of fact, one of the cleverest ideas I've seen...there's just no way for customs to know unless they recognize the shipper's address.

Nationwide ban is iffy...but probable. California ban is going to happen. We're so starved for tax money they're taxing something that's illegal under Federal law in NorCal. Not quite sure how that works...but they're doing it.

The posts about nicotine being less of a demanding master with the vaporizer is encouraging. I can sort of feel it myself even at this early point. Not really even "trying" to quit smoking, but I find myself butting a smoke because the vape tastes better. Cut my analog use down by 80% already and I don't feel the need to rip off puppy faces.

As far as a substitute, with the snuff and gum and patches and whatnot....I've not found one that works for me other than these PVs. Wish I would have found out about them earlier, so I'd have a chance to make some connections to use after the bad dream comes.

 

[Modapa]

Just an idea, but I wonder if the reason that we are not obsessing about when we can vape like we did with smoking analogs is because we COULDN'T smoke analogs whenever we wanted and had to plan so much around when we could take a smoke "break" at work, making sure you had a smoke in your car just before work, finding a smoking lounge in an airport even when you know you might have to run to catch your flight so that you could smoke, having one before bed, after dinner, finding the designated smoking areas outside because of smoking bans, etc. So much PLANNING was involved in analogs. A lot of the planning is not necessary anymore because you can easily vape when needed most of the time.

 

[TropicalBob]

As far as a substitute, with the snuff and gum and patches and whatnot....I've not found one that works for me other than these PVs.

Me either. That's why it's important to try all of them. Not one. Use all of them. Keep the largest variety you can on hand. When a craving hits, let your mind decide if a snus will work, or an Oliver Twist, a sniff or two of nasal snuff, a slow-dissolving Java Stonewall. There is no law that only ONE is allowed.

Staying off cigarettes is extremely difficult. Smoking was a pleasure for many for years. A quitter needs to replace that known pleasure with excited anticipation of future pleasures without inhaling smoke.

Trying one thing results in too many failed attempts to quit. All things increase chances of success.

 

[saphic]

I had one day recently where I forgot to bring extra nic to work and no extra loaded carts. The cart in the cig was a no nic liquid and I was fine. granted, it was only a four hour shift with one break to smoke anyway but I got through it no problem. Just vaping for a little bit was enough for me. I just bought a whole 15ml bottle of no nic juice and am very happy to be cutting down the nic.

 

[1inchgroup]

Me either. That's why it's important to try all of them. Not one. Use all of them. Keep the largest variety you can on hand. When a craving hits, let your mind decide if a snus will work, or an Oliver Twist, a sniff or two of nasal snuff, a slow-dissolving Java Stonewall. There is no law that only ONE is allowed.

Staying off cigarettes is extremely difficult. Smoking was a pleasure for many for years. A quitter needs to replace that known pleasure with excited anticipation of future pleasures without inhaling smoke.

Trying one thing results in too many failed attempts to quit. All things increase chances of success.

I loved smoking too. Come to think of it, so did my pops....and he was gone at 50. Gramps loved them...and he spent the last few years in bed trying to breathe. Big Tobacco ain't getting all three of us. Not now.

 

[Think Tink]

According to the response this member got from Canada Customs, Health Canada has decided the hardware will be allowed to be sold freely here if it's not intended to be used with nicotine or other drug:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/canadian-members/13641-customs-refusing-shipment-18.html#post594252

Hopefully that will be the case in the US as well *if* the ban happens.

 

[The Drizzle™]

When smoking I almost always picked one up because I felt like I HAD to have a smoke. Now I definitely feel like I vape when I want. I even forgot to order carts some weeks ago and ended up being out for a couple of days. I didn't go running to the store to get analogs, didn't gain ten pounds and didn't actually freak out at all. I was happy when they showed up though.

 

[Kurt]

According to the response this member got from Canada Customs, Health Canada has decided the hardware will be allowed to be sold freely here if it's not intended to be used with nicotine or other drug:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-customs-refusing-shipment-18.html#post594252

Hopefully that will be the case in the US as well *if* the ban happens.

And how would they check that its not being used for nic? Sounds like a don't ask don't tell policy. Its nice when a country right next to the US decides to not be a nanny state. Word up, FDA! Take notes.

Kurt

 

[Kurt]

When smoking I almost always picked one up because I felt like I HAD to have a smoke. Now I definitely feel like I vape when I want. I even forgot to order carts some weeks ago and ended up being out for a couple of days. I didn't go running to the store to get analogs, didn't gain ten pounds and didn't actually freak out at all. I was happy when they showed up though.

I've actually LOST weight since I started to vape. Seems my craving for sweets is all but gone. Must be the bavarian creme juice I make. Maybe the VG satiates the sweet tooth. Seems to be the case.
Kurt