The Battle For eCigs Has Been Officialy WON! The Facts On Your Screen

[Automaton]

This has nothing to do with the political ethics of respective parties, and anyone who is being intellectually honest with themselves knows it.

Both parties respond to money and publicity games first and foremost. Republicans are the current underdogs - of course they support an underdog enterprise.

If they weren't, the story may be different. If someone paid them enough, the story may be different. If Democrats supported them, the story may be different.

Please keep in mind, we're talking about the same party that wants to teach creationism in schools out of "fairness." And they play it as a kowtow to public opinion, just like they're doing with e-cigs.

And if you really want to get a handle on the bigger political picture, I'm sorry, but you need to look somewhere else beyond Fox news. Fox news tells you Republicans are going straight? I'M SHOCKED!

I, for one, am not, and have never been, a one-issue voter. It is ethically inconsistent, and what's more, it's intellectual suicide.

If you believe for one second that the Republicans will stick to their word after re-gaining power, you need to do some more history homework.

This is politics. It has never had anything to do with what's right.

 

[HexKrak]

You bet!

But Republicans are DONE and OVER WITH bribes and back-room deals - Take it from a FOX Business News fanatic.

The conservative party's mantra for their campaign is scrutinizing Democrats for their back-room deals and over-regulation protocol.

The last thing Republicans would do is GO AGAINST their own pledge to be impartial to bribes.

Woe be you if you actually trust a politician, must less place your faith in a group of them. The republicans are just as twisted as the democrats and will do anything to get re-elected or rich. Their decisions are based on this, not what's best for the country.

As for the OP you have a statistically insignificant study. Your study group is far to small to make an accurate assessment of the overall alignment of the democratic party.

 

[HexKrak]

This has nothing to do with the political ethics of respective parties, and anyone who is being intellectually honest with themselves knows it.

Both parties respond to money and publicity games first and foremost. Republicans are the current underdogs - of course they support an underdog enterprise.

If they weren't, the story may be different. If someone paid them enough, the story may be different. If Democrats supported them, the story may be different.

Please keep in mind, we're talking about the same party that wants to teach creationism in schools out of "fairness." And they play it as a kowtow to public opinion, just like they're doing with e-cigs.

And if you really want to get a handle on the bigger political picture, I'm sorry, but you need to look somewhere else beyond Fox news. Fox news tells you Republicans are going straight? I'M SHOCKED!

I, for one, am not, and have never been, a one-issue voter. It is ethically inconsistent, and what's more, it's intellectual suicide.

If you believe for one second that the Republicans will stick to their word after re-gaining power, you need to do some more history homework.

This is politics. It has never had anything to do with what's right.

I couldn't (and failed to) say it better my self.

 

[ShadowWulf]

So when we need support now .. who do we go to?

The enemy, or the friend?

The sponsorship may shift over, but until that happens, we go the the ecig aisle on the right.

Or go right down the middle.

 

[davidzx]

"This is politics. It has never had anything to do with what's right."

Of course it has nothing to do with politics! This isn't a political debate, its a debate on the sustainability and legal accreditation of electronic cigarettes.

Politics only offers leverage for that cause.

We're thinking too deep into it.

I am getting the impression that we are all distraught and completely disgusted with the fact that republicans endorse electronic cigarettes.

Could there be a political bias? Of course, that's part of the game.

Politics isn't legit, its an alleyway for politicians to gain power - on both sides of the aisle.

I am voicing both in the presnet and future. I am declaring who is sponsoring eCigs - and what is most likely to happen.

I don't care about what the endless possibilities are.

There may be hidden agendas beneath the republican's endorsement - IF SO, so be it.

The courts are Republican, and all I am saying is that signals the green light for eCigs.

Do we want the red light in lieu?

 

[ShadowWulf]

My issue is that most of what you have been pushing in this thread reads like a political campaign ad.

You know as well as the rest of us that the republicans are only in support of it, at face value, as long as the democrats oppose it. But thats meaningless in any real LEGAL sense, since some of the largest benefactors on BOTH sides of the isle are pharma and tobacco (And yes i can and will link examples if you insist) and outside of a convenient talking point to curry more votes they will undoubtedly do NOTHING until their sponsors have their own product and give them the go ahead to take action.

 

[PlanetScribbles]

So when we need support now .. who do we go to?

The enemy, or the friend?

The sponsorship may shift over, but until that happens, we go the the eCig aisle on the right.

You know what they say ... 'the enemy of your enemy is your friend'

 

[davidzx]

My issue is that most of what you have been pushing in this thread reads like a political campaign ad.

You know as well as the rest of us that the republicans are only in support of it, at face value, as long as the democrats oppose it. But thats meaningless in any real LEGAL sense, since some of the largest benefactors on BOTH sides of the isle are pharma and tobacco (And yes i can and will link examples if you insist) and outside of a convenient talking point to curry more votes they will undoubtedly do NOTHING until their sponsors have their own product and give them the go ahead to take action.

SO ...

Republicans have had full eCig support for a while now.

Its damn close to election time.

Why hasn't Big Pharma & Tobacco rescinded their support yet?

All this time - ALL THESE VETOS - and BF and BT still support Republicans?

Something does not jive here.

 

[ShadowWulf]

What does rescinding support have to do with it?
All they have to do is nothing, and leave the issue as it is for as long as necessary.

And that is most likely what your going to see for the foreseeable future, nothing meaningful from either side.

 

[Automaton]

You are making it political. And not only political, but partisan. This battle will NEVER be over if that is how we want to do this.

I don't. I want studies. I want third party campaigns. I am not interested in riding the GOP pony, or the Dem pony for that matter.

You turning this into a partisan political issue is the suicide of the e-cig market for all of us. Stop it.

The last thing we need is to be thought of as yet another arm of some money-laundering dirt bag.

 

[davidzx]

What does rescinding support have to do with it?
All they have to do is nothing, and leave the issue as it is for as long as necessary.

And that is most likely what your going to see for the foreseeable future, nothing meaningful from either side.

That's why its a victory,

The can gets tossed back and forth, kicked around the courts, and nothing really happens.

But the bottom line is eCigs are here to stay.

 

[harmony gardens]

I don't see any big Republican wave of support for our cause either,,, even though you do present a few decent examples of some who do, and thank you for that.

I think it's important to work on both sides of the aisle to make our case.

From what I've seen, Dems and Reps are pretty much walking in goosestep over us. We need to stand together, and not divide over political lines. It's our common purpose as nicotine addicts to enlighten both parties on the wisdom of harm reduction and assert our rights to not be squashed by lies that both parties seem to toss out there to entice us for our votes.

 

[davidzx]

You are making it political. And not only political, but partisan. This battle will NEVER be over if that is how we want to do this.

I don't. I want studies. I want third party campaigns. I am not interested in riding the GOP pony, or the Dem pony for that matter.

You turning this into a partisan political issue is the suicide of the e-cig market for all of us. Stop it.

The last thing we need is to be thought of as yet another arm of some money-laundering dirt bag.

Oh I apologize. I wish I could have made it sound a bit sweeter, maybe with some frosting on top and cherries.

Yummy, then we can shake our heads and go to sleep.

I'm not making it sound political - I'm making it sound real. (WARNING: The truth could bite sometimes).

Studies are not in charge, third party groups are powder on the cake.

Just look at all the petitions - who are we writing them to? Who are we sending our success stories to? Who are we PETITIONING to?

Your next door neighbor?

Should we plead our cause for eCigs to your offices? Or should we plead them to the Court's offices?

If we are dealing with the Court, I'm sorry but political partiality is inevitable.

This deal gets tossed around from court to court, across lawmaking departments, and from governor to governor. I'm sorry if I made it sound to political. But who's in charge here - YOU or the Courts?

I do have to agree with ShadowWulf though - it will get tossed around, and nothing will really happen.

 

[davidzx]

FOR US - It may not be a matter of politics.

FOR THE DEVICE CALLED "ELECTRONIC CIGARETTES" IT IS.

One is a live being, the other is an inanimate object.

YOU are subject to your own beliefs.

The "electronic cigarette" is subject to impending judicial and administrative review.

We need to know our territory, and recruit sponsorship from the right and left to prevail.

 

[Automaton]

If nothing happens, then why are you basically endorsing the GOP? Why not just sit back and watch the political mud fly, if it makes no difference?

...And are you quoting some of those tired old "WE'RE HARDCORE, WE TELL THE TRUTH" Fox tags lines now?

Well, I'll tell you what I'd tell Hannity, if I ever met him:

If you were really that honest, your reputation would precede you. If you were really honest, you wouldn't get called out as much as you do.

Basically, you're in favor of us taking the "easy route," (since partisan politics is something even a child can grasp), which is likely to end in a messy failure, rather than taking the hard way (because it requires patience, self-control, and honesty) which has no outcome but success, though it may be harder won?

Great.

Remind me not to come to you when I want to get in on the stock market...

 

[harmony gardens]

Since david is a Foxy guy,, I hope he won't mind me posting a link to an effort that some of us are taking on to get Judge Napolitano to take up our cause on his Freedom Watch Show. It was noticed that he has a poll for program suggestions from viewers.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...111642-all-hands-deck-youre-votes-needed.html

Here's a thread about it. Help us out if you can!!

 

[davidzx]

If nothing happens, then why are you basically endorsing the GOP? Why not just sit back and watch the political mud fly, if it makes no difference?

I endorse the GOP because they endorse the electronic cigarette.

I will consider endorsing the other side if you wish.

Albeit, I highly doubt I will make peace with people that want me to blow cigarette smoke by advocating eCig smoking bans.

...And are you quoting some of those tired old "WE'RE HARDCORE, WE TELL THE TRUTH" Fox tags lines now?

No this is my original and genuine jargon and lingo.

Well, I'll tell you what I'd tell Hannity, if I ever met him:

If you were really that honest, your reputation would precede you. If you were really honest, you wouldn't get called out as much as you do.

IF YOU WERE HONEST, you would have to speak things that may offend some virgin ears. IF THERE'S ONE THING THAT'S TRUE ABOUT THE TRUTH, IS THAT IT SOMETIMES HURTS.

Reputation is sometimes indicative of the fact that YOUR NOT TELLING THE PEOPLE WHAT THEY WANT TO HEAR. Your telling them how it is, not how they want it.

Sorry.

Basically, you're in favor of us taking the "easy route," (since partisan politics is something even a child can grasp), which is likely to end in a messy failure, rather than taking the hard way (because it requires patience, self-control, and honesty) which has no outcome but success, though it may be harder won?

What exactly is your "hard way"?

I think NJOY should stop fighting the FDA with hard work and litigation -

I should contact the CEO of NJOY and inform him we no longer need to fight the FDA, we have a cognizant individual who has the answers. I shall refer you to them.

Great.

Remind me not to come to you when I want to get in on the stock market..

Since when are we in the stock market?

 

[boochips]

I wouldn't vote republican if they gave every smoker in the US a free ecig kit of their choice and a year's supply of juice......

 

[Automaton]

...But you're cool with the party that has destroyed most of the 1st Amendment, suspended Habeas Corpus, etc etc etc...

This is what I mean about one-issue voting. It's beyond stupid. Do I care about electronic cigarettes enough to suspend my integrity?

No. I don't.

And no, I wouldn't rather you support the other side. I'd rather you support the cause.

I'm not even sure you realize you're quoting Fox, but you are... It's like the Glenn Beck-bots I know. They don't realize they're doing it, either.

Actually, NJOY is doing exactly what they need to be doing. And if you had bothered to read anything I wrote, you would have figured that out.

The stock market thing... sorry, it requires some lateral thinking in order to understand. I didn't mean to confuse you.

 

[davidzx]

Ahhh,

There's nothing like a heated debate on politics over a good vape and cup of coffee!

Speaking of, I am considering writing a letter to Judge Napolitano. I'd love to see how he takes this one under his wrath.