The Battle For eCigs Has Been Officialy WON! The Facts On Your Screen

[Automaton]

Well, no. I do comprehend the difference between suspending Habeas Corpus, and racism.

However, this particular period of suspension of Habeas Corpus has resulted in direct racism. Innocent people have literally been tortured in prison camps run by the US in Egypt (to escape Western human rights laws). I investigated this.

I said above I have no duty to be impartial, since I'm not a journalist. The reason I comprehend that line so sharply, is because I used to be a journalist. And that'll open your eyes like no other.

It killed me to be impartial on a story like that. And now I don't have to be - so I won't be.

So, in this case, the two happen to be directly related. An abuse of power, and of a potentially useful executive privilege.

 

[ShadowWulf]

Im a democratic socialist, and not the hippy tree hugging kind either.

The battle for ecigs has NOT been officially won. The thread title is a lie, intended to lure people into here and be bombarded with your political views. Trying to curry votes like this is reprehensible and rather telling. BOTH partys are guilty of lying tot he american people and selling us out oto special interests, and that will not change. Your new party lines are the same as the democrats, just wrapped ina different skin. Your scandals, lies and jargon are all the same.

WHEN the battle is won, it could be won by democrats, or republicans, but rest assured in the end it will be the special interests who made it possible.

 

[HeatherC]

Im a democratic socialist, and not the hippy tree hugging kind either.

The battle for ecigs has NOT been officially won. The thread title is a lie, intended to lure people into here and be bombarded with your political views. Trying to curry votes like this is reprehensible and rather telling. BOTH partys are guilty of lying tot he american people and selling us out oto special interests, and that will not change. Your new party lines are the same as the democrats, just wrapped ina different skin. Your scandals, lies and jargon are all the same.

WHEN the battle is won, it could be won by democrats, or republicans, but rest assured in the end it will be the special interests who made it possible.

True as well

 

[5cardstud]

Well as much as I want ecigs to not be banned I have to say that the person I vote for to lead the US is not going to be about his/her ecig biases. I'm interested more in his outlook on the running of this country. But the dems are running 100% against what I believe this country should be. I don't trust the repubs. all that much either, more but not completely. Good post though and very enlightening.

 

[HeatherC]

IMO By the way they act...NO politician is a GOOD politician LOL

 

[Automaton]

IMO By the way they act...NO politician is a GOOD politician LOL

Finally, something I can agree with!

 

[r3dgh0s7]

you wanted him, you got him.. OBAMA!



*face palm*

 

[rekeybobby]

let me just say that i think this law is just stupid it says and i quote that nonsmokers should not be subjected to the vapors emitted by e-cig users unless and until they have conclusively been shown to be completely safe, even to children, the elderly, those at increased risk, and those with special medical problems.okay so let me grab a pack of newports and smoke them at the bus stop thats a lot more healthier i am so ...... off to be a new yorker right now

 

[Janetda]

and this is why the IVAQS project is so important. We don't have a lot of time ladies and gentlemen. Please give now!

IVAQS Project

 

[Luisa]

Bull ...., and you know it.
Theyre both full of it, and trying to push one party's agenda over another here is wrong.

Finding particular people on both sides of the isle is going to get us alot further than pandering to one party that has just as much scandal and backroom deals as any other, equally, in the history of the american people.

Yes, working both sides of the aisle is certainly important,but please tell me one Democrat,in office, that will publicly support us? What Democratic Governor can we convince to publicly support us and not propose bans on ecigs? So far,there has been no one. Please reply and let me know if Jerry Brown(candidate for Governor in your State) will support us. You could help us enormously if you could successfully lobby him. Thanks

 

[davidzx]

Im a democratic socialist, and not the hippy tree hugging kind either.

The battle for ecigs has NOT been officially won. The thread title is a lie, intended to lure people into here and be bombarded with your political views. Trying to curry votes like this is reprehensible and rather telling. BOTH partys are guilty of lying tot he american people and selling us out oto special interests, and that will not change. Your new party lines are the same as the democrats, just wrapped ina different skin. Your scandals, lies and jargon are all the same.

WHEN the battle is won, it could be won by democrats, or republicans, but rest assured in the end it will be the special interests who made it possible.

The thread title is a lie to you because you are a:

democratic socialist

And you viewed my narrative as an attack against your political agendas.

WHEN the battle is won, it could be won by democrats, or republicans, but rest assured in the end it will be the special interests who made it possible.

Ohhh boy, I really stepped on your big socialist toe, didn't I?

I apologize, but let me emphasize a correction:

THE WAR could be won by democrats or republicans, or even by other parties, years down the line

THE BATTLES, so far, are being won by republicans

Now how can you possibly argue with that?

And please don't defend yourself with Habeas Corpus - that shows signs of weakness

Defend yourself with the circumstances pertaining to this issue

HINT: It has to do with Electronic Cigarettes

 

[ShadowWulf]

The thread title is a lie not because of politics, but because of fact.
The battle has not been won, stating it has before any final ruling or judgement is the ultimate in conceit.

It has already been explained to you why the republicans appear to support ecigs, yet you have yet to address the fundamental fact of WHY they do so, and why no concerted and unified party vision concerning them has yet appeared.

Its a good issue to fight on, to be contrary to, and to stand behind for no real meaning besides to curry votes, favors and attention with. I will agree in some rare cases (As with CA governor for example) people on both sides of the isle will make a stand out of principle, but these actions are all together to rare to be depended upon.

As for MY political views, I doubt you could present a single aspect of democratic socialism from within the last 15 years without resorting to either broad based conjecture or straight headlines off of US news agency's. otherwise you would of not brought it up as if I bear a stigma, or a "mark".

I also argue aginst throwing support behind EITHER party fully because there are people who both agree and disagree with both sides of the aisle. There are many republicans against ecigs as well, and democrats for them. You cannot cast a single party (yours, at that) as our savior.

As for those asking for a democratic nominee to support ecigs, personally I believe they probably number the same as supportive republicans but due to the split nature and lines of politics they would fail to take any affirmative action on the subject. These ridiculous party lines have been drawn in the sand and from them nobody that matters (ie we the people) will see meaningful change or improvement.

And there in lies the problem, deeper than a wedge issue like ecigs, but sure as hell not one for this sub forum or thread.

 

[davidzx]

So on the basis of you cognizant exploit, you claim the following:

THE BATTLES, so far, are NOT being won by republicans

In the case for FDA vs NJOY, Judge Leon's ruling was a tremendous setback and disgrace to the eCig industry by denying the FDA's preliminary injunction?

Correct?

Mat Salmon's sponsorship for this very cause is a DISGRACE to you, and bears no cognizant political weight?

Correct?

Your posts seem evasive, so let me put it another way.

What IF you were a republican, would you endorse my suppositions?

What IF you were a Marxist, would you agree with my stance?

What IF you were an extremist capitalist, would your views differ?

But you are a democratic socialist, so you have a different way of looking at things.

The bottom line is that there is a sad reflection of the state of true and righteous leadership in America today

Gone are the leaders who stand up for right, for good—regardless of the political cost. Gone are the leaders who call a spade a spade because it is a spade and not because it is just politically correct. Gone are the men who lead on principle as opposed to polls. From right to left, politics is compromised.
In the wake of all of your suppositions - one thing will prevail - the forthcoming outcome.


I'm not trying to advertise capitalism, I'm trying to make a prognoses on the outcome for the future electronic cigarette regulatory environment.

Your views will be different then mine, we're all unique ----

But there will only be one outcome at a time. Success or failure.

Its a matter of who's right and who's wrong in making that prognoses.

 

[HeatherC]

Hmmm...funny... i didn't hear/see/read anything in shadowwulf's post that said ANYthing to dispute the fact that battles won so far have been won by republicans. What I did see was that he was saying that the title of your post is and was misleading. And it is.
The battle even has not been won because the decision has been appealed. The war is just beginning and there is no party that even WANTS to stand out on this yet because they don't want to lose elections

 

[davidzx]

HENCE,

A capitalist will have one view.

A republican another.

A Marxist may portray a different series of event.

A democratic socialist another.

An politically impartial individual - yet another.



It's a matter of who knows what they are talking about. Not what they feel is correct.

EDIT:

My narrative is only misleading until proven wrong. We'll see what happens in September. Then come talk to me.

And please don't take any of this personally, I just have a strong knack for debate.

 

[davidzx]

All I am doing is making a prognoses as to what will happen in September with the oral arguments, if you have read my post.

Your prognoses may differ.

When September comes, well compare our suppositions with the ruling or verdict and someone will eventually be slightly less correct than the other.

 

[Cnizzle]

Its too bad that everything has to come down to politics. "targeting teens with flavors". That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. They said that about cigarettes too but those are still legal if you're of age. I wonder how much money Big Tobacco is throwing around to push things in their favor. I'm sure next you'll also see e-cigs on the truth commercials. This country is going down, money/politics will be its demise.

 

[Automaton]

My narrative is only misleading until proven wrong. We'll see what happens in September. Then come talk to me.

So... you can claim something totally future-oriented as being absolutely fact before it's happened...? And when all the current evidence is in direct contradiction with it?

Well hell, why didn't the Axis just declare victory in 1939? If they can claim it before it's happened and simply make it true, they wouldn't have needed to lose to the Allies, right?

This sounds oddly familiar to Bush's "Mission Accomplished." From May, 2003. Of a war we're STILL fighting... over 7 years later.

I take it back. Republicans are actually very consistent.

Seriously... how does one even respond to this?

 

[JustMeAgain]

Ahhh,

There's nothing like a heated debate on politics over a good vape and cup of coffee!

Speaking of, I am considering writing a letter to Judge Napolitano. I'd love to see how he takes this one under his wrath.

davidzx, I like the way you think...

It makes sense to me that analyzing past performance is the best way to get a 'prognosis'. Isn't history is the best predictor of the future?

When I first read Judge Leon's bio, I was encouraged when I noticed he attended a Catholic university.

Do you think we could make e-cigs more PC if we started passing them out to illegal aliens...

 

[HeatherC]

I have no problem with predictions and prognosticating events But you said in the title that it's already done! So there's nothing more to do...no writing senators or reps or any other government entity cuz YOU said it's already won. By saying that you eliminate the need for further action. When I read the title I expected to see a NEW judge's ruling on a case already in the courts that eliminated the possibility of a ban. It was misleading and still is. Like I said...no problem in making a prediction....just don't state it like its a foregone conclusion cuz it's not...it's your speculation and however much I agree with the basic premise of it It's still not true yet.