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exdrum

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Hi all

I've been vaping for a while now with an ego-c kit and am looking for a good (read lots of smoke/throat hit, cheap in maintenance) replacement. I was looking at the provari or lavatube batteries with a DID self-build atomizer and I'd appreciate some helpful comments/tips.

also, what's the best online shop to get provaris/lavatubes/similar for shipment to europe?

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I would suggest you do a little more research on rebuildables. If you're going to jump in with both feet, you need to realize that what you put on the end of your battery is far more important than the battery. Spend the big bucks on the rebuildable and the battery becomes secondary. Look into the Odysseus and some of the other rebuildables by GG. A lot of people feel that the zenesis line is a pain in the ..... Just something to be aware of before you jump at whatever is dangled in front of you by the first fanboy that comes along.

For a Provari, Provape is the only place you can buy one. Their philosophy seems to be if you want a better price, you can't afford one.
 

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Genesis style atties are probably the easiest to build and maintain, but it takes a little understanding of why you do what you need to do, and a bit of patience to get them going.

The DID has great reviews, and it has the distinct advantage of being available for pre-order on a regular site. No hassle, no sleepless nights, no virtual Wal-Mart on Black Friday shoving and cussing.

Zenesis atties are a bit more difficult to procure - it's not yet clear even how as the manufacturer will now no longer announce when they go on sale, so you'll have to hang out in the dedicated thread. They are supposed to have a superior build quality and improved airflow design compared to other Genesis style. They are little more expensive. The Z-Atty-P is designed to fit seamlessly on a ProVari, the Z-Atty-G goes on a GG without any additional connectors and the Z-Atty-U is a regular 510 that will fit most devices.

I agree with sailorman that with a Genesis style atomizer you don't really need all the bells and whistles of a ProVari. Regulated voltage is still a good idea, not necessary but nice to have. You control the resistance when you build the coil, and they don't need excessive power to put out freight train levels of vapor. You really can save on the mod, or go for something robust / mechanical when you invest in these atties.

There's also a co-op still active for a mini-sized ScubaGen that is all stainless and with built in 510 connector. It's filled, but there is a short reserve list you can still join. I think this one will also be a very good quality atty when it comes out, and it's much cheaper. Also, it uses Pyrex for the tank so it's compatible with any juice while being hard to crack.

Good luck
 
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Oh, and I really must add that the Zenesis line can't be all hype -- a great majority of the people who tried those are enthusiastic beyond their own expectations and the thread couldn't have reached amlost 50,000 posts and 1,000,000,000 views on hype alone. There have been issues, but at the same time the support offered by Zen~ is exemplary.
 

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I'm on the waiting list for the zap pro now but really don't want to wait weeks or months since I'm stuck here with ego-c batteries that won't last for more than 2 hours when I'm chain-damping badly and I don't have my charger with me. I'm only vaping for 3 days now but don't want to go back to tobacco just because of b-grade equipment.

It IS hard to find the 'best thing out there' if that even exists so I really appreciate the advice you guys can/have given me. I'll try to find the largest battery out there, a decent and readily available rebuildable atomizer and look into all your suggestions to get some quality smoke into my lungs (as it stands the DID and provari seem like a good buy).

fanboy or not, whatever input you can provide is well appreciated.
 

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What waiting list are you on? I think the waiting lists for Z-Atties are being fulfilled now, and there are no more waiting lists. The atties will go on the site and you buy them from there if you're around...

As far as I know, the DID is the only one without the wait. Either that, or you can stalk the classifieds - there's always a Genesis LV or a GTankUS or a ScubaGen going. You might end up paying a premium, though.
 

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Well welcome to the world of vaping!

I wanted to chime in because I remember how confusing this was for me, I felt lost and confused and before I found this forum, it was even worse. Lots and lots of what I will call, false advertising. One of our cartrages is the same as a pack of cigs etc. Unfortunately it's not an exact science in converting so it leaves tons of gray area when advertisers try to tell you what you want from an ecig.

That said, there is no same same between e-cigs and analogs. I remember my first puff on my first e-cig, the Blu. My first thought was, hrm, this isn't bad, it's not exactly the same but it's pretty good I can see myself doing this. Now every smoker is different thus why there are so many brands out there, your going to find the same thing in cigs. The problem is e-cigs are really at least 3 or more different items.

You have your battery - determines voltage primarily, life of the battery is also a consideration.
You have your heating element and all the resistances that come along with it.
You have your liquid delivery - sometimes combined in the atty, sometimes a separate tank, or bottom feeding system.
Lastly and very important is your e-juice or flavor.

Each one of these elements has it's own nuances. I started with the Blu and well for me a 3-5 pack a day smoker, the Blu didn't cut it. And unfortunately the Blu didn't give me a lot of ways to test out different fluids. I strongly recommend staying away from systems that force you to use their juices, in my experience they are trying to control too much and well not saying the juices are bad, but they fail to realize smoking is not a one size fits all, never has been thus again why we have all those brands of cigs out there.

I found this forum after getting frustrated with the Blu and put a post out very similar to yours, and I was welcomed by many with lots of information, it helped I was still very confused, but I did get the overall feeling that at the time, most people liked the Joye eGo. I didn't understand exactly what that ment but I bought one, and was very pleased with it. I would recommend this e-cig to any starter and still do to this day, they are relativity cheap, you can get a complete kit from 40 bucks to as high as 60. Puresmoker.com comes to mind as the overall cheapest at the time at 50 dollars, but i've seen a couple places semi recently offering it for 40.

Now what that gave me the ability to do finally was figure out what I liked from a vaping standpoint, i experemented with probably 100's if not a 1000 juices. It was fun and over time after I stopped smoking all together, my taste buds changed and I had to figure out what I liked to vape the most, I started as you probably will with a traditional tobacco flavor, and over time moved away from it.

The next thing I started to experiment with was the liquid delivery system, there are tons of mods out there from polyfill, blue foam, brass screens, even plastic inserts ( was one of my favorites ), cartomizers, tanks, bottom feeders and what I thought I would never fall back onto direct drip! Each one of these mods has an effect on the flavor of the juice, and that dreaded dry hit taste, which i eventually couldn't stand and why I finally went to direct drip. Bottom feeders were probably as good, but they are generally box mods that are bulky, and I honestly haven't found a great box mod that holds a consistent voltage.

Next is your heating element, even if you go with carto's, you need to consider your oHm / Voltage sweet spot, and that's probably the next hardest thing to figure out. Get yourself a cheap multimeter as you run down this road vaping you may need to figure out your sweet spot. As time went on I learned that mAh of a battery simply told me how long the drain would probably last, the higher the mAh the longer the battery lasted, voltage comes in next, most e-cigs are 3.7 volts, and operate generally around the 3.5 volt mark, you'll find vapor production to be good still, but the vapor will be cold. You can go with lower resistance to get a better throat hit. You can also go with a variable volt e-cig so you can play with both.

Ok, to start to wrap everything up, what I'm getting at is don't think that the e-cig you buy today will end up being the only e-cig you will buy, I highly recommend sticking with some of the most common types, mostly the 510 threading on the attomizer/cartomizer is hands down the most widely used and available from everywhere. Normally I would recommend just cutting to the chase and buying the Provari V2 from provape.com, but I understand that price point on something you are not sure about is well very high, I tell people all the time, I didn't start with this ecig and generally I don't recommend people to start with this, you have an adjustment period as you convert from analogs to e-cigs.

I remember constantly losing my e-cig and runing around like a chicken with my head cut off trying to find it. Putting ashtrays around my home so I'd have some place to set it down and only so many places to check. You may find that the lower cost mods, like the eGo's are an acceptable loss if you lose it somehow, I was. Lost one boating, another at a beach. 12 buck battery, 2 dollar cone, 5 buck atty, and a 3 dollar drip tip. 22 dollar loss for being careless, defiantly something I was fine with. I don't use my eGo's anymore at all, I've made some lifestyle adjustments instead because I love the way the Provari hits, not everyone wants to make that change so it might not be for you, so as a starting point, I recommend the eGo style e-cigs or if size is an issue the standard 510 is a great product.

Hope this helps and makes sense, I was trying to address my initial confusion when i started and I hope I addressed your needs.
 

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I too am waiting for the Zen line of attys to become available. Really have no insight as to when it'll show. In the mean time, I've ordered a DID, Penelope, and Odysseus to start my rebuild-able atomizer adventure. I also use a Silver Bullet and Provari. Both are absolutely wonderful IMO, and the 18650's last me well over a day at the rate I vape. Even on the 18500's in the Provari and while using my kick in the SB, I still get close to a day, sometimes more, sometimes less. Always have batteries charged and ready though!

Like has been said above, once you get a rebuild-able atty, the mod becomes secondary. I can't offer up much advice as far as the best RBA to purchase, as I'm new to them myself. But by the sounds of it, the DID is great, and so is the Odysseus and Penelope by GG.

Even if you want to wait on the RBA, using a Provari or similar big batt. mod should work fine for you. I use both SR and LR atomizers, and have a Phiniac tank and boge cartomizers to try when I get the free time. Both work great for me, and I can only image the RBA will make my experience that much better! Good luck with whatever route you go!

Edit: I can't give my advice on the Ego style ecigs, as I jumped right into a Silver Bullet. But I hear nothing but good things about them, especially for the beginner. I still may pick up a Kgo/Ego to have, as I'm very paranoid about beating up on my Provari and SB while I'm out and about.
 
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exdrum

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to be honest it adds a bit to the confusion :) so what you're recommending is to get a 510 (cause it has longer battery life?) but when I get serious about it (quite likely) I should cut the chase and get me a provari. Sounds to me I can save some bucks skipping the 510...

Would like to know a bit more about the dripping, what exactly do I need for that assuming I have a provari and a rebuildable ato?

Liked your story, tx.

edit @Ty89m & DaveP: tx, makes me more confident getting that provari
 
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Shoot get a provari mini! Because you can use it as a semi stealth if need be, and if you want a big battery just add the extension! I wasted so much money on other mods, and alot of other really good mods! But my new provari is AWSOME! And i wish i hadnt waited so long to get one because i love it and i havnt even touched any of my other mods since it came in the mail!
 

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Please do! There is a learning curve to the genesis style atomizers (DID) but I'm sure once you (we) get the hang of it, it'll be great! You might pick up a few regular atomizers and cartos to keep you vaping while you play with the DID.

I know they're expensive, but the HH357 atty is fantastic, though any ones will do the job. Congrats on your decisions! Good move getting the DID while you still can. I have a feeling they'll be harder and harder to find as time goes on.

Anyway, your going to love the Provari, I'd recommend picking up the extension cap as well. Take care!
 

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