The Clone Wars - Tearing the Vaping Community Apart

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Nope. I can't, which kind of proves my point. Arguing over points of view. I don't have a horse in this race, and I couldn't care less about who spends their money how. I'm pointing out the fact that any perceived "war" is non existant beyond this forum and its participants. As has been said umpteen times here, we are the vocal minority. We represent but the slightest fraction of e-cigarette users. I seriously doubt Joe eGo gives two blanks about mod clones. And those who do..... well, have fun arguing and bickering about something that doesn't really matter.

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The minority to whom this matters is even smaller than us real-life challenged forum geeks. We blither and bloviate to no consequence, the tiniest percentage actually try and think up and make new, possibly better things and sell them. Such a tiny fraction that we forget them.
 

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While you echo the sentiment of many who think OM are making a million percent profit there has been no one that I have read anywhere who has been able to show that your imagined profit margin is even close to accurate. On the contrary there have been many many specific examples of how much it can actually cost to make a tube mod. Your million percent profit margin argument has been disproved

The funny thing is that you actually think I was serious about the million percent.
 

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You're all a bunch of loons. Real men (or women) make their own mods on machine tools out of solid blocks of stainless steel. Which they smelt themselves in home-made foundries. Using ore that they personally dug up. With homemade shovels. Did I mention they carved the shovels themselves out of oak trees that they personally cut down? (Homemade axes, etc.)

Yeeessssss, now that's what I'm talkin' about!

Also;

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Sorry, couldn't resist that one :lol:
 

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I do enjoy a nice American Borboun, which is clearly a clone of my home country's water of life. Does this make me a bad man?

This is inaccurate and in many ways this actually proves the point against clones. Bourbon cannot be Scotch by definition, and if someone were to "clone" Scotch from another country, ther would be major lawsuits and/or international trade cases made.
 

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While you echo the sentiment of many who think OM are making a million percent profit there has been no one that I have read anywhere who has been able to show that your imagined profit margin is even close to accurate. On the contrary there have been many many specific examples of how much it can actually cost to make a tube mod. Your million percent profit margin argument has been disproved

There was one really good post from (dang I forget who) that basically stated a good USA produced original should market between 50-150.

The issue is they do not want to invest the capital for large runs to drop the price. They have no reason to. Probably a smart decision to because of the rapidly changing market. Get in get out make some cash. If they invest and market changes they have lost a significant amount. Then again.. thats business.

It seems every Tom .... and Harry through a piece of metal on a lathe and bam 200 bucks. Get some schmuck to say things like.. this hits hard, has little voltage drop and the threads are butter. Then the small .00002% come in and say wow great! They never say ohhh XXX device does that too. Gimme my 50 dollar mod and I am good. Heck gimme my 20 dollar clone and I am good. At least for a 1.5 years the clone has been fine.

The only way it can disproved is by one of these guys opening their books to us. That ain't happening. Some hobby modder doesn't count.
 

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There was one really good post from (dang I forget who) that basically stated a good USA produced original should market between 50-150.

The issue is they do not want to invest the capital for large runs to drop the price. They have no reason to. Probably a smart decision to because of the rapidly changing market. Get in get out make some cash. If they invest and market changes they have lost a significant amount. Then again.. thats business.

It seems every Tom .... and Harry through a piece of metal on a lathe and bam 200 bucks. Get some schmuck to say things like.. this hits hard, has little voltage drop and the threads are butter. Then the small .00002% come in and say wow great! They never say ohhh XXX device does that too. Gimme my 50 dollar mod and I am good. Heck gimme my 20 dollar clone and I am good. At least for a 1.5 years the clone has been fine.

The only way it can disproved is by one of these guys opening their books to us. That ain't happening. Some hobby modder doesn't count.

Completely off topic, which is no big deal because it's a pretty stupid topic to begin with....
I am floored by the fact that we can't say "Tom, .... and Harry" without being censored. THAT is the REAL issue here!
 

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Completely off topic, which is no big deal because it's a pretty stupid topic to begin with....
I am floored by the fact that we can't say "Tom, .... and Harry" without being censored. THAT is the REAL issue here!

Dang man. Didn't even realize that it censored me.

I am sure you read quite a bit of the forums. Is there really any topics that aren't pretty stupid at the end of the day. I just don't click on them.

The real sad thing about that. My dad's name is Richard. I can't type what name he grew up with. It was pretty common in the south until a bunch of pre adolescent male northerners, snicker and giggle.
 
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I just keep thinking about how unwise it could be for a maker of authentics to ramp up production right when the FDA may step on their heads.
I guess the clone makers aren't nearly as concerned about such things for some reason.

Maybe they know best. ProVape will be releasing a new mod in the near future...
 

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The deeming regulations cited products that were made by the rest of the world, or outside of America.

That could be true but it only affects the USA. I'd like to see Putin's response if the FDA told him what he could do or not do. We aren't the only country in the world that buys things. We buy a lot, but not all.

We have an immigration issue with Mexico at the moment. The government can't even solve that. Approving legislation that can;t be legislated is crazy.
 

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That could be true but it only affects the USA. I'd like to see Putin's response if the FDA told him what he could do or not do. We aren't the only country in the world that buys things. We buy a lot, but not all.

We have an immigration issue with Mexico at the moment. The government can't even solve that. Approving legislation that can;t be legislated is crazy.

I'm thinking all our allies and those who subscribe to WHO would follow suit with whatever FDA puts into place. And then legitimate vendors, or those wanting to remain on an open market, would play in that ball game.

I agree that there will be many on this planet who will not play by those rules. And likely to one day be labeled "terrorists."
 

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I'm thinking all our allies and those who subscribe to WHO would follow suit with whatever FDA puts into place. And then legitimate vendors, or those wanting to remain on an open market, would play in that ball game.

I agree that there will be many on this planet who will not play by those rules. And likely to one day be labeled "terrorists."

Like the UN? All these organization want is our money for redistribution. Granted, there is some good in it but mostly waste (termed loosely).

Look at our 2 closest allies..UK and Israel... Now do a comparison on everything from taxes, religion, politics and social aspect (etc). We are not as similar as one may think.

Everyone is a "terrorist" now a days if they disagree with someone else's view. We have lost that words true meaning.

You are right. Many won't. Why should they? Who are we to tell another country what to do? 80% of the time it goes horribly wrong anyway.
 
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Don't forget about the cloud chasers, and the Provari owners, and those who like/dislike high wattage devices, etc, etc. People fight about all sorts of things, not just clones. ;)
Bingo!
Its not just in the vaping community, this happens in every community.
I think the sad true is that some (sadly a lot of) people are allways searching for, and will allways find excuses to dislike and "attack" others. And in our case, clones are the current "excuse".
If clones were to magically dissapear tomorrow, then it would be some provari users vs non provari users. Take away provaris, then it would be clearos vs rbas.

So imho, its not the fault of clones, provaris or cloud chasing. Its about some narrow minded, intolerant people not understanding that, not thinking like them, is not neccesarily wrong.
 
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