No, he said 'my Audi will beat the fastest drag car in a road race' and he has a very good point
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No, he said 'my Audi will beat the fastest drag car in a road race' and he has a very good point
Even if that is the case, comparing it to vaping still doesn't make a good metaphor. Basically his only argument is that the battery on his provari will last all day and a cloud chasers won't....its called having a spare battery charged ready to go.
It would destroy one on a road course... Real world conditions is the analogy...
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Hey, I don't always agree with stevegmu, but IMO he's got a great point here. Which you're missing. But that's OK
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I agree with stevegmu more often than I care to admit...I've just never been a fan of the smug delivery. That being said, I would bet absolutely everything I own on the Audi beating the Cuda on a road course. But, I'd rather roll the Cuda down Beach Blvd on a Friday night.Hey, I don't always agree with stevegmu, but IMO he's got a great point here. Which you're missing. But that's OK
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I am not comparing diesel smoke to vapor. Go back and re-read my post.
I am comparing one hobby I took part in to another; and how the government thinks they know what is best for those doing these things.
One word sums up my previous post:
REGULATIONS
I read a brilliant article in Esquire magazine, or I guess it might even have been Playboy (they do have some of the best writing on the planet and nevermind the big boobies!) way back in the '80s, decrying the advent of Big Nanny. I think it must have gone right over the heads of anyone who bothered to read it (which might not have been too many, which is what makes me think it might have been an article in Playboy), because here we are, 30 yrs later, with Big Nanny trying to boss us every which way -- Big Nanny is now Large and In Charge! 
It's almost amusing, seeing how my own attitudes and opinions, once considered so utterly wrong-headed, are now being borne out. When I first heard of the Master Settlement Agreement, I screamed and yelled and frothed at the mouth, since no one FORCED anyone to smoke -- I was a smoker myself, but nothing forced me to be that but my own stupidity! -- but everyone poo-pooed me. When I read the Big Nanny article, which I think was sometime in the aftermath of the McD's lawsuit about coffee being hot, I nodded and agreed, but everyone I talked to about it was like, no, we need the gov't to look out for us! Uh huh. What's the quote, usually described as the scariest words you may ever hear? "I'm from the government and I'm here to help you."
Andria
It's almost amusing, seeing how my own attitudes and opinions, once considered so utterly wrong-headed, are now being borne out. When I first heard of the Master Settlement Agreement, I screamed and yelled and frothed at the mouth, since no one FORCED anyone to smoke -- I was a smoker myself, but nothing forced me to be that but my own stupidity! -- but everyone poo-pooed me. When I read the Big Nanny article, which I think was sometime in the aftermath of the McD's lawsuit about coffee being hot, I nodded and agreed, but everyone I talked to about it was like, no, we need the gov't to look out for us! Uh huh. What's the quote, usually described as the scariest words you may ever hear? "I'm from the government and I'm here to help you."
Andria
Sorry to misread what you were trying to say...I wasn't so much thinking about your point about government regulation, but in my head it sounded more like what cloud chasers look like to other vapers and nonsmokers etcI am not comparing diesel smoke to vapor. Go back and re-read my post.
I am comparing one hobby I took part in to another; and how the government thinks they know what is best for those doing these things.
One word sums up my previous post:
REGULATIONS
Look at it this way, when the first stringed instrument was created, do you think they were thinking about centuries down the line that they would have evolved into high gain rock and roll machines? No. But the original designs still exists for those that prefer them.
Nothing wrong with a little diversity.
Nothing wrong with a little diversity.
I understand, but honestly, I would rather be in the Cuda everyday of the week, not just one night. Yes I have to put more effort in to it than the Audi, but in the end, it would be much more fulfilling for me to drive. But I can respect someone's preference to not want to do that, but I would rather them not tell me their experience makes more sense because they could take me in a road race, when that's really not what the car I'm driving is made for in the first place. Cloud chasing is here and it is a real part of vaping. Just because you may not want to do it doesnt mean it is somehow stupid or unnecessary, or that your vaping style is better or the correct way. Everyone has their own preference and honestly that's the way it should be. One size does not fit all just because you're okay with your style of vaping. I'm just frustrated when people have the approach of shaming people who cloud chase just because a select few make a bad name for it. Just be happy that the person isn't smoking anymore. Just my two cents
I just don't see how cloud chasing is a progression. Last month on vacation, where I saw more vapers at the airport upon arrival than I have ever seen in the US, I didn't see a single vaper at a bar, restaurant or even vape shop with a dirty baby diaper or dish towel wrapped around their hand blowing clouds. The vast majority of mods I saw were cigalikes, eGos and regulated tube and box mods of all types. People actually held their vape at restaurants and bars, rather than take a quick inhale and blow out as much vapor as possible. Vaping is well developed there- years ahead of the US. It is accepted and welcomed. The other is legal there, as well, at least not illegal, but I have never seen pipes or glass equipment on the streets, just hand rolled. Perhaps they are just more mature than what I see here. Rather than a cloud competition, they have vaping cruises with dinner and drinks...
I'm in the position of being a non-cloud-chaser -- 80% PG vaping doesn't lead to massive clouds! And personally, I think it's kinda silly, but that's just me; I also don't drink, and think that those who drink to excess are just obnoxious. But, as long as they don't inflict their drunk selves on me, I figure they have a right to give themselves liver disease if they wish to. And cloud chasers have every right to create weather, in their own homes, if that is their desire, but I really do wish they'd keep it at home, because some of it is really obnoxious smelling, and certainly when you're at a tasting bar, having a multi-scented fog system in the shop makes it difficult to taste anything. Keeping it in their own homes also means that any hazard they may offer to bystanders is eliminated, or at least limited to those who live with them. They have the right to burn down their homes, or blow off body parts, if they wish to, or if they're stupid enough to engage in such risky antics without learning how to do it safely -- the universe is nearly obligated to illustrate to them how stupid that really is.
I really don't think it's cloud-chasing that will get e-cigs banned; it's the ignorance of the public-at-large and the avarice of BT, BP, and Big Nanny that will create bans and restrictions, all in the name of "the public good," i.e., what our fascist oligarch overlords think is best for THEM. What is REALLY best for us -- even if that includes blowing massive clouds, or not -- doesn't even enter their greedy little minds -- THEY DON'T CARE WHAT IS REALLY BEST FOR US.
We're all vapers, and many if not most of us are vaping in order to not smoke, and we don't want that RIGHT taken from us. If we want the fascist oligarch overlords to even realize that we're here and we're ...... off, we really ought to cut down on some of the inter-vaper hostility, and present a united front.
So vape 'em if you got 'em!
Andria
Going by recent threads on here, it seems a lot of cloud chasers were never even smokers. One said he just wants to do tricks...
Cloud chasing is pretty much similar to Justin Bieber or Skrillex fans. Can't wait until the FDA slaps a 18 or 21+ age limit to buy e liquids or any vape gear.
Andria, would you say I vape too much in general, based on the fact I do not cloud chase, though still create weather in my room? 
(And I am opposite of you, generally a higher VG person, though hey, it's what works better on my RDA's)
(And I am opposite of you, generally a higher VG person, though hey, it's what works better on my RDA's)
This is the part that I always get a kick out of.
I'm not saying a person has to have smoked before starting to vape, but why would someone want to it do it other than cloud chase. It looks cool? A new hobby? Somthing new and exciting? Bored with life?
It's kinda like people that take up smoking in their 40s or 50s. It doesn't make sense to me.
Caught up in the hype, I guess...
Not that it matters, but I think your self appointed posterboy for sub ohmers is from France...not America. The dirty diaper guy offends everybody...not just you.
I thought we were moving away from being judgmental!
Now anyone who uses a coil under one ohm is using a dishrag to do so, and must be categorically stupid.
I don't understand why it's so confusing that a non-smoker would pick up vaping, even if it is only to engage in this "foolish" endeavor of blowing clouds. Perhaps the enjoyment they derive from vaping outweighs the negatives. But no, that's crazy - that only applies to smoking tobacco (and no, I don't think most folks are addicted after their first smoke, so don't use addiction as a counterpoint).
Also, don't use the FDA as a counterpoint. They've made it clear that they will be doing whatever they please, regardless of what science and usage statistics have to say about vaping.
We're humans, we do all kinds of stuff just because we want to, why should this be any different?
Now anyone who uses a coil under one ohm is using a dishrag to do so, and must be categorically stupid.
I don't understand why it's so confusing that a non-smoker would pick up vaping, even if it is only to engage in this "foolish" endeavor of blowing clouds. Perhaps the enjoyment they derive from vaping outweighs the negatives. But no, that's crazy - that only applies to smoking tobacco (and no, I don't think most folks are addicted after their first smoke, so don't use addiction as a counterpoint).
Also, don't use the FDA as a counterpoint. They've made it clear that they will be doing whatever they please, regardless of what science and usage statistics have to say about vaping.
We're humans, we do all kinds of stuff just because we want to, why should this be any different?
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