The cloud chasing fad

[DC2]

It might actually help save vaping for everyone, if lots of never-previously-smokers get interested in it. I think one of the things we have against us is how few we are, even if you count everyone who still smokes and those who've quit smoking since vaping came along.

There have been times when I have considered this, but it quickly fades away...

The people you refer to are not going to fight to keep vaping available and affordable.
The people you refer to are not going to care at all.

They'll just move on to other pursuits that interest them.
And we'll be left to what is left behind.

 

[dmetzcher]

I've already posted in this thread about how I see both sides of the "issue" we are discussing here.
And I've already posted about how it is the ANTZ that should bear the brunt of our anger, not any respectful cloud-chasing aficionados.

But I will take this opportunity to stress the fact that there is nothing snobbish about worrying that cloud-chasing will have a negative impact.
There is a very large majority here who feel that their ability to continue vaping is a life-and-death matter.

I hope all the cloud-chasers will at least try to understand that.

I understand that. Yes, there are people here who are concerned that inconsiderate or dangerous (in terms of them not taking proper precautions) cloud chasers will "ruin it for the rest of us." I think concern, if that's what it really is (and not an "I don't understand why they like this or why non-smokers even bother taking up vaping, so they should stop" mentality), is perfectly fine and even justified.

There are others, however, who seem to simply think that cloud chasing is "silly" or worse (especially for anyone who isn't a former smoker), and have made several negative comments, essentially mocking others (a behavior that isn't helpful to anyone). It's the condescension and the mockery simply because someone chooses vaping as a hobby and wants big clouds that bothers me, and I've made that clear in my other comments.

I also agree with you that the ANTZ should be uniting us, not dividing us. That's why I've been a bit shocked by some of the comments in this thread and a few others.


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[dmetzcher]

It might actually help save vaping for everyone, if lots of never-previously-smokers get interested in it. I think one of the things we have against us is how few we are, even if you count everyone who still smokes and those who've quit smoking since vaping came along.


Andria

There have been times when I have considered this, but it quickly fades away...

The people you refer to are not going to fight to keep vaping available and affordable.
The people you refer to are not going to care at all.

They'll just move on to other pursuits that interest them.
And we'll be left to what is left behind.

This isn't necessarily true. I think your argument is that people who don't need to vape (i.e., vaping hobbyists who have never smoked cigarettes) are not going to join the fight if the government imposes overreaching and unnecessary regulations that cause vaping to no longer be available and affordable. All hobbies are voluntary, and no one needs to participate (i.e., it's not life or death for them), but, if the government tried to severely limit a hobby (pick any hobby) or increase its costs to the point where it is impossible for enthusiasts to participate, those enthusiasts would certainly care, and there would be a group who would begin to fight back and attempt to convince their fellow enthusiasts to join their fight. With vaping, that's the point at which they'd find those who are fighting right now. For many, vaping has become a hobby, and I don't think enthusiasts are going to be happy to wake up one morning and find that it's been taken away from them.

I don't think we should write off the vaping enthusiasts who were not formerly smokers. The fact is, that results in nothing added to the fight. Even if all of the enthusiasts don't join the fight, it's better to do a little outreach (or, at least, not separate ourselves from them) and convince the ones who can be convinced. Greater numbers are better than fewer numbers.

 

[V00D00]

There have been times when I have considered this, but it quickly fades away...

The people you refer to are not going to fight to keep vaping available and affordable.
The people you refer to are not going to care at all.

They'll just move on to other pursuits that interest them.
And we'll be left to what is left behind.

I definitely see what you are saying, but I don't think it would be the case. I have seen non smokers or non tobacco users get into vaping for many different reasons, which can be just as important for them as it is to you. My fiancee is just one example. She is as avid of a vaper as I am and has never smoked a cigarette. She cloud chases as well and started out just as I did, with a cig-a-like and slowly worked her way up. She mostly uses 0 mg liquids, sometimes 3-6 mg. She suffers from an anxiety disorder and finds that vaping helps to ease her mind and gives her something to do in moments she feels stressed or when she is having a panic attack. But she enjoys the feeling and flavor, and finds satisfaction from vaping as a hobby in terms of her freedom of choice and ability to tailor her experience to suit her own needs. Again, many arguments against cloud chasing are generalized to include everyone who is a cloud chaser, when in reality, it is only a select few that do bonehead things, or have the wrong intentions getting into it.

 

[DC2]

This isn't necessarily true. I think your argument is that people who don't need to vape (i.e., vaping hobbyists who have never smoked cigarettes) are not going to join the fight if the government imposes overreaching and unnecessary regulations that cause vaping to no longer be available and affordable. All hobbies are voluntary, and no one needs to participate (i.e., it's not life or death for them), but, if the government tried to severely limit a hobby (pick any hobby) or increase its costs to the point where it is impossible for enthusiasts to participate, those enthusiasts would certainly care, and there would be a group who would begin to fight back and attempt to convince their fellow enthusiasts to join their fight. With vaping, that's the point at which they'd find those who are fighting right now. For many, vaping has become a hobby, and I don't think enthusiasts are going to be happy to wake up one morning and find that it's been taken away from them.

I hope you're right.

 

[V00D00]

I've already posted in this thread about how I see both sides of the "issue" we are discussing here.
And I've already posted about how it is the ANTZ that should bear the brunt of our anger, not any respectful cloud-chasing aficionados.

But I will take this opportunity to stress the fact that there is nothing snobbish about worrying that cloud-chasing will have a negative impact.
There is a very large majority here who feel that their ability to continue vaping is a life-and-death matter.

I hope all the cloud-chasers will at least try to understand that.

I understand the worry that cloud chasing will have a negative impact. I am a cloud chaser, and I still worry about it as well. But instead of dismissing it or demonizing it because of fear we should be making sure to show everyone the safe and proper way to do it, just as we always have done for any style of vaping here at ECF. I feel that just within the past few months the cloud chasing community as a whole has been making great strides in being sure to tell people who are new to it how to do it safely and respectfully because of the fears that we all share that it could bring negative attention. People who are not cloud chasers may not know that we have all collectively been trying to make sure that everyone who wishes to do this does it the right way. With that being said, if you wish to still argue that it is "silly", " unnecessary ", or " attractive to kids/only kids are interested in it", you are making the same mistake the FDA and media are making by saying having access to different flavors is "silly", " unnecessary ", and "only attractive to kids". Just like them, you are taking something you think you understand but truly don't, and demonizing it. This is why I have a problem with many of the things being said here. Because honestly, it is hypocritical to abhor cloud chasing for the very same reason others want to ban our access to flavors.

 

[V00D00]

And DC2, when I refer to "you", I just mean the people on this post that are being very ignorant, not you personally. I think you're views are very levelheaded, eloquent and understandable.

 

[Stringplucker]

I enjoy blowing warm, thick, dense clouds in the privacy of my own home. I sometimes go to my local shop, which is a vaping lounge, and will hang out while blowing clouds. However, I don't do it for attention...I do it for personal satisfaction.

But...When I'm out in and amongst the general public, I'm much more discrete with a simple MVP and a PT3. I don't normally produce a cloud at all, as I hold it in for a bit. I don't want to bring negative attention to myself or the vaping community.

I look at it as enjoying a Romeo y Juliet Havana in your home or in a cigar lounge, then having a cigarette out in public. They're basically the same thing if you think about it.

 

[AndriaD]

There have been times when I have considered this, but it quickly fades away...

The people you refer to are not going to fight to keep vaping available and affordable.
The people you refer to are not going to care at all.

They'll just move on to other pursuits that interest them.
And we'll be left to what is left behind.

Sadly, probably true. They'll be like, "oh well, can't do that anymore, guess I'll find something else." And those of us to whom it is indeed "life and death" will be patronizing the nic dealer in the trench coat. I really can't fathom how the FDA thinks they can eradicate vaping; the gov't has been soooooo successful with their "war on drugs." NOT.

Andria

 

[Ryedan]

I understand that. Yes, there are people here who are concerned that inconsiderate or dangerous (in terms of them not taking proper precautions) cloud chasers will "ruin it for the rest of us." I think concern, if that's what it really is (and not an "I don't understand why they like this or why non-smokers even bother taking up vaping, so they should stop" mentality), is perfectly fine and even justified.

There are others, however, who seem to simply think that cloud chasing is "silly" or worse (especially for anyone who isn't a former smoker), and have made several negative comments, essentially mocking others (a behavior that isn't helpful to anyone). It's the condescension and the mockery simply because someone chooses vaping as a hobby and wants big clouds that bothers me, and I've made that clear in my other comments.

I also agree with you that the ANTZ should be uniting us, not dividing us. That's why I've been a bit shocked by some of the comments in this thread and a few others.

Excellent post dmetzcher, I could not agree with you more .

IMO this is the kind of thinking that will help vaping the most in the long run.

 

[beckdg]

Sub ohm vaping / dripping is cool if you have the time to constantly drip and fiddle with your device and the money to constantly buy 30ml bottles of 1 to 3 mg of nicotine juice, that would not last me 2 days before having to buy another 30ml bottle. When I first got into RDA's and mech mods I figured I would start saving money. But no, it's become the opposite. So much time and money is wasted in the long run when cloud chasing. Premium juice isn't cheap and the price is the same no matter if it's 0mg nicotine or 24mg nicotine. So now, my dripping RDAs just sit in the collection case with other vape gear I do not use. I can buy a 12 mg bottle of Illuminati Lion for $20 and it will last me a week in my Kayfun. If i was dripping 1 to 3 mg of the same juice it would cost me $60 a week. My kayfun produces a cloud equivalent to what a real cigarette would make. So for me, that's good enough.

Reo

Drip. Drive. Conserve.

My dripper and mech setups go through much more juice and produce barely noticeably more dense vapor than my fuse modded reo grands with identical but bf drippers, coils, air flow and wicks.

 

[iz2sick]

Wow, even after I made a point about Egos historically being the most dangerous vape mod, people are still on that "Let's fear monger people about cloud chasing" train.

Cloud chasing at home? I do plenty of that. But how dare you tell me not to do it at a vape shop? That is so unbelievably arrogant of you to say. Speaks volumes about your character. It's a different story if the shop owner asks me not to. Yea, let me walk into a Harley shop and demand patrons don't wear leather jackets because the smell bothers me and clouds my judgment on which bike I want.

As for not seeing many cloud chasers around Steve... have you ever considered that these people just might not be doing it publicly? Do you honestly think I bring my cloud chasing setup into a bar or other public places? That's the beauty of what we do... we also use stealth setups.

And for every disrespectful cloud chaser I've seen, I've encountered dozens more disrespectful normal vapers. Just saw one the other week in a mall in Portland. Ego twist and ViVi tank. Vaping right in the middle of the mall with kids around and everything.

 

[iz2sick]

But really, do enjoy the leaps in vaping technology thanks to cloud chasers. Enjoy your ever increasing VV/VW mods. You know, the ones that are reaching 300 watts now? Enjoy your RDA's with top notch insulators and designs that prevent spinning posts. Enjoy your mechs with the most conductive metals (affordable) with switch designs that eliminate hot buttons. Enjoy your Nautilus's and Mega Protanks with much more airflow than their predecessors.

Yea, no proof that cloud chasing caused any of this I admit. But it's too much of a coincidence that everything these mods and atomizers are improving upon were very common issues that cloud chasers experienced every day.

 

[B1sh0p]

It's pretty amazing how ECF has become a community of condescending know-it-alls. I'm guilty of it too, but man, this site is no fun anymore. I started lurking in 2012 and it was nothing like it is now.

 

[stevegmu]

I quite enjoy the what do I need to blow cloud threads, or the ProVari is overpriced and underpowered and can't blow clouds threads... Dirty diaper/dish rag man is the future...

 

[B1sh0p]

I quite enjoy the what do I need to blow cloud threads, or the ProVari is overpriced and underpowered and can't blow clouds threads... Dirty diaper/dish rag man is the future...

You certainly enjoy the attention. Yay! Let's argue about Provari's again.

Thank god for Reddit.

 

[steved5600]

Who cares. Early on I use to say questionable stuff like this and I tell you I now sub ohm LOL. I am now getting a lot of vapor when I'm at home or in the car ( not in the general public). So i guess you don't do anything anybody can laugh at or make fun of. Wish we could use stronger language. But really who cares if it keeps them from smoking and it does no harm to anybody.

 

[stevegmu]

For someone who doesn't have a problem with it or doesn't care, you sure have a lot to say about the subject. If you want to make it look like you don't care you might want to actually do so, because so far your argument has been you don't like it because it looks silly to you and you would never do it. Then you use generalized stereotypes of a very select few vapers who give vaping as a whole community a bad name, not just the cloud chasers. You honestly have no idea what goes into it or how it actually works, clearly you've shown that by grouping in people who want to do smoke tricks with cloud chasing, or people who wrap their hands with something because their mod gets way too hot because they are vaping unsafely. Why do you care so much ? Then pretend to not care at all? Everyone can see through that little charade. I'm sorry your simple mind can't comprehend the fact that cloud chasing isn't "silly", just because you say so. I really do not wish to be out of line here, but most of the comments being said here are really ignorant, and I can't comprehend what is so hard to understand about cloud chasing being more than a "fad" and for "kids".

interesting...

 

[beckdg]

Going by recent threads on here, it seems a lot of cloud chasers were never even smokers. One said he just wants to do tricks...

Hmmm... depends how you define cloud chaser. It's smug, self righteous arrogance that keeps many of us sub ohmers from unnecessarily commenting on these ridiculous judgemental threads.

I'm a grown man working 60 hours on a very short week to support 3 kids and a wife. I have prior understandings of electrical theories and battery tech beyond what's often parroted here. I vape a dual coil .4 ohm to .2 ohm rda all day every day and while driving a semi. I do it with 40 to 50 mg/ml almost exclisively. My batteries are never warm and I always have one charged and ready to go. I vape this way in public and nearly every day I begin the education for 2 to 3 people looking to make the switch or get something more out of their vape.

I don't preach. I'm approached. Very often. By adults struggling with their anemic setups that many even on these boards consider the greatest things since sliced bread.

I don't harass those with products I consider anemic and useless to me. I support the folks who made the choice for a safer alternative. My provari is useless to me. Fantastic piece of kit for what it's made for. It just wasn't made for me. But I went through that stage and more often set up beginners with an mvp than anything else. This way they get a quality vape at an affordable introductory price. If they're content with that and considering vaping long term I direct them toward provari.

But if the vapor density leaves them unfulfilled then I begin to educate them while feeling them out for their needs. Maybe send them here if I can't give them all the attention they require.

Either way, your stereotyping is incorrect and based on assumption. At least for myself and the endless droves of adults that approach me on a daily basis.

 

[eratikmind]

It's pretty amazing how ECF has become a community of condescending know-it-alls. I'm guilty of it too, but man, this site is no fun anymore. I started lurking in 2012 and it was nothing like it is now.

The ECF community is still a great resource for many and I trust that it continues to be, but I know what you mean.