The difference between MyFreedomSmokes and Wordup or DIYFlavorshack

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nycityjeff

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yes you have that right. i fully agree. what you should know is that suppliers cannot post in 95% of the boards here. in order for chris to fairly answer, it should have been posted in his board on this forum.

i have been a customer of his since july/august, and have zero complaints about his service, or the quality of his product. the only time i have seen him go off is when he is provoked by a threat (legal, BBB, etc) or constant badgering. i am not saying you did either of those two, i wasnt there, but from past experience, that is what triggers posts like these.

so you know, he uses the "Click-n-Ship" service from USPS. you get an email when your order is ready to ship, THAT INCLUDES A TRACKING NUMBER. it makes no sense that you would need to contact him about a tracking number unless one of two things happened:

1) your email address was wrong - which means you also didnt get his order receipt that says "Thank you for your order" along with an itemized listing of your order. NOT HIS FAULT.

2) you didnt see the "Click-n-Ship" email that arrived in your inbox, providing your tracking number. ALSO NOT HIS FAULT.

if you got the second email, and read it, you would have had what you wanted, and this never would have happened. i dont know how this whole episode was even necessary, but since the process works flawlessly for a huge number of his faithful customers, i have to think one of the two above instances happened.

folks, let me be a voice of reason here. we all like to think the customer is always right, and that vendors should be bending over backwards to make us happy. and most of the time, that thinking is right, but only when the vendor makes a mistake either in their product, their charging of credit cards, shipping to the wrong place, etc. but to think that there is no responsibility on the customers' side is wrongheaded. vendors are not robots, and nobody likes being hounded, being asked a question repeatedly that a little due diligence could have answered.

anyone who has done business with chris at MFS knows that he is one of the most contactable people in the business. he gives out a phone number on his site that goes....where? RIGHT TO HIM, not an answering service. not to a service rep. you talk to chris. if you email him, you get chris. that is one of the things i admire about his business practice. he wont hide behind a wall of employees.

this thread should not have been. it is private business between you and chris. we dont know the whole story, and so we are forced to draw our own conclusions, which i have done. you have your right, and i have mine. i disagree that chris did this "just because". he has never been shown to behave that way without provocation, just as anyone would. he has a sterling reputation as a very efficient, quality minded, satisfaction guaranteed vendor. nothing less. your posting here instead of his forum board means that he cannot respond to your dissatisfaction, and that is not fair to both parties.

when you are upset and feel a need to tell everyone about it.....dont. take a day or three, and then post an OBJECTIVE (ie, both sides represented) thread about your experience and we can maybe help. that is what we are about, here. to come trashing a vendor on a board that the vendor cannot answer you on in an emotional state is not good custom. i'm sure you dont like this response from me, but i hope you didnt think people would fire back at you when you post things like this. those of us who like his product and his business (50% off on unflavored juice/ 25% off all flavored juice...all before christmas...holy cow that was awesome) are going to suit up for battle for the man.

I check my email and junk mail several times a day. I eventually received my order so there was no mistake on my part. I did receive the receipt e mail, but I did NOT receive the click and ship email from USPS. I know this for a fact.

What you are missing here is that ALL I DID was ask him for the tracking number and he went ballistic on me...several times, in fact, with emails and a nasty phone call.

None of that was warranted. I have every right to post my complaint about him here. I want other members to know what kind of unstable personality they are dealing with.
 

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if you posted there on his board, and proceed to post the same thing in general chat (which got promptly moved to the supplier review board because this doesnt belong there) then you are not doing anything constructive. call it stumping, rabble rousing, campaigning, protesting, shouting from the rooftops, whatever, it doesnt further your issue. every time you try to explain yourself, it adds another reason this thread shouldnt exist at all.

as for dropping you as a customer, a vendor has the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason. having worked in customer service for much of my life, there are customers it is better to break off from permanently, rather than placate. he obviously thought you were one, and is not "customer service", youre right. but it is sanity retention. at least in my experience.

I repeat...all I did was email him and politely ask him for a tracking number. If you feel that this is reason enough to call me at home and tell me to NEVER ORDER FROM HIM AGAIN, then I would gather that you had the same flawed customer service skills that he has shown to me.
 

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Thats just not Chris to go Ballistic for just asking for tracking info at all hes to calm a person.
I repeat...all I did was email him and politely ask him for a tracking number. If you feel that this is reason enough to call me at home and tell me to NEVER ORDER FROM HIM AGAIN, then I would gather that you had the same flawed customer service skills that he has shown to me.
 

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Thats just not Chris to go Ballistic for just asking for tracking info at all hes to calm a person.

Yeah, well it's a fact. I can prove it too. Do you want me to post the entire email thread between he and I? Do you want to call me at home and I'll play you the answering machine message he left me? Seriously! Are you actually calling me a liar?

I mean really! Why would I post this if it weren't true?

Let me run this down for you one more time.

1) I emailed him asking for a tracking number
2) He e-mailed me back saying only that it would be shipped on Monday
3) I emailed him this morning asking him one more time if he could possibly send me a tracking number
4) The next thing I know he leaves an angry message on my answering machine telling me never to order from him again and sends me an angry e-mail in huge type and red letters telling me the same thing.

These are facts and I would have no reason whatsoever to make this up. I have ordered from quite a few suppliers and have never had a problem like that. Dawn and DIYFlavorshack, Arno at Awesomevapor and especially Jeff at Wordup E-cigs have all been EXTREMELY nice and friendly to me, and I to them, just to name a few.

Why you seem to want to suggest that I am a liar is beyond me.
 

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How many times did you ask for a tracking number in a 24 hour span?
Chris is one of the most customer service minded people I have dealt with! He has called me more than once to clarify an order and or answer a question or just to make sure he did everything he could to see that I was a satisfide customer. I always got a Click and Ship notice with all my orders as well speedy shipping...(order on Sunday night and have it in my anxious hands by Tuesday :D)
I don't think anyone is calling you a liar, I just believe that those of us who have dealt with Chris, more than once, knows that there has to be more to this story than what you are saying! Every story has TWO sides!
Chris and My Freedom Smokes are one of the best in the buisness, IMHO!:thumbs::thumbs::thumbs::thumbs:
 

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How many times did you ask for a tracking number in a 24 hour span?
Chris is one of the most customer service minded people I have dealt with! He has called me more than once to clarify an order and or answer a question or just to make sure he did everything he could to see that I was a satisfide customer. I always got a Click and Ship notice with all my orders as well speedy shipping...(order on Sunday night and have it in my anxious hands by Tuesday :D)
I don't think anyone is calling you a liar, I just believe that those of us who have dealt with Chris, more than once, knows that there has to be more to this story than what you are saying! Every story has TWO sides!
Chris and My Freedom Smokes are one of the best in the buisness, IMHO!:thumbs::thumbs::thumbs::thumbs:

How many times in a 24 hour span??? ONCE. Twice in all over a 5 day span. There was NO click and ship notice from USPS. There is no more to the story that what I said and by implying that you ARE calling me a liar. Again, if you read the other thread..
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...7-chris-myfreedom-smokes-rude.html#post897771

...you can see that I am not the only one who he has been rude to and AGAIN...even he admitted to one member/customer that he has a short fuse. He is the ONLY supplier that has EVER been rude to me. The only one.
 

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OP's made his point, which is his prerogative.

Just a suggestion.....

To everyone defending Chris, I'd suggest you stop with the dialogue, then this thread would slide off the page which, from your responses, would be what you'd all like to see happen.

FWIW....I've never used MFS, but I still may at some point.
 

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It's called CUSTOMER SERVICE.



I emailed him several times to request that a tracking number be sent after he received my order. Eventually he got back to me, but with no tracking number. Just a note saying " Your order will be shipped in Monday"

How many times in a 24 hour span??? ONCE. Twice in all over a 5 day span.

Which is it? Did you only email him twice, or several times as you originally stated? Your credibility just went out the window.

Picture this scenario.
There's some days, that for whatever reason, you don't get to check email until later in the day. Suppose Chris had a day like that, and when he does finally get to checking his email, he has however many messages from you. And each one showing a little more agitation. In your mind, he's ignoring you, when in fact he hasn't even had a chance to check email. So then he finally gets around to checking it, and there's a bunch of em from you. The first one is innocent enough. But after that, each email you send gets a little more belligerent. Maybe he actually read the last one first, which was probably pretty harsh, from the progression of things, (based on your perception of being ignored). From his point of view, he didn't even know there was a problem, yet now he's got a bunch of emails from someone whining like a little girl, and saying who knows what in the emails.
He never had a chance to respond to even the first email, and now he's got a bunch from you, sent every hour (or whatever), with each one getting progressively worse. Maybe he actually read the last one first. And I'll bet that last email was not even close to being a simple polite inquiry about your order.
In this scenario, which is very possibly what happened, you come off looking like an annoying, impatient little twit, and it makes perfect sense that he would be ...... off, and not want your business anymore.

If I have a problem with a supplier, I send ONE email, and don't even consider sending another for at least a day or two. I want to give them time to respond. Because to send multiple emails all .....ing about the same thing, is A GUARANTEED WAY TO PISS SOMEONE OFF. It is very likely you caused this situation yourself, or at the very least, caused it to escalate by the way you responded. There, I've said my piece.
 
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nycityjeff

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Which is it? Did you only email him twice, or several times as you originally stated?

Picture this scenario.
There's some days, that for whatever reason, you don't get to check email until later in the day. Suppose Chris had a day like that, and when he does finally get to checking his email, he has however many messages from you. And each one showing a little more agitation. In your mind, he's ignoring you, when in fact he hasn't even had a chance to check email. So then he finally gets around to checking it, and there's a bunch of em from you. The first one is innocent enough. But after that, each email you send gets a little more belligerent. Maybe he actually read the last one first, which was probably pretty harsh, from the progression of things, (based on your perception of being ignored). From his point of view, he didn't even know there was a problem, yet now he's got a bunch of emails from someone whining like a little girl, and saying who knows what in the emails.
He never had a chance to respond to even the first email, and now he's got a bunch from you, sent every hour (or whatever), with each one getting progressively worse. Maybe he actually read the last one first. And I'll bet that last email was not even close to being a simple polite inquiry about your order.
In this scenario, which is very possibly what happened, you come off looking like an annoying, impatient little twit, and it makes perfect sense that he would be ...... off, and not want your business anymore.

If I have a problem with a supplier, I send ONE email, and don't even consider sending another for at least a day or two. I want to give them time to respond. Because to send multiple emails all .....ing about the same thing, is A GUARANTEED WAY TO PISS SOMEONE OFF. It is very likely you caused this situation yourself, or at the very least, caused it to escalate by the way you responded. There, I've said my piece.

You are making an awful lot of assumptions there, pal. I never emailed him more than once a day. In fact I e-mailed him once, waited a few days, and e-mailed him again, waited a few days and e-mailed him again. I was not the least bit belligerent, nor was I "whining like a little girl".



Either that or your magical powers of clairvoyance and ability to read e-mails that you have never seen are a little off, to say the least.

People like you who size up a situation that they know virtually nothing about never cease to amaze me. You may want to consider keeping your mouth shut when you have no clue about the actual details of a situation.
 
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Thank you for the PM jeff. It was umm, well, let me just say this. This is a public forum. People say all kinds of things. None of it really means anything. It's more of a fantasy world, then it is reality. People make claims, and say things which shouldn't be taken at face value, but sometimes they are. Maybe I made a few assumptions in creating a scenario, in which this might have happened. But there certainly wasn't any malice behind it. I mean c'mon, I didn't talk about you having relations with midgets or anything like that! 8-o

For the most part, I come here to have fun, and kill time. Help a few noobs with problems, and relax. So just take anything I say, or anyone on here for that matter, with a grain of salt, and you'll have better day for it.

Now come here. I think you just need a big hug.

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There's some days, that for whatever reason, you don't get to check email until later in the day. Suppose Chris had a day like that, and when he does finally get to checking his email, he has however many messages from you. And each one showing a little more agitation. In your mind, he's ignoring you, when in fact he hasn't even had a chance to check email. So then he finally gets around to checking it, and there's a bunch of em from you. The first one is innocent enough. But after that, each email you send gets a little more belligerent. Maybe he actually read the last one first, which was probably pretty harsh, from the progression of things, (based on your perception of being ignored). From his point of view, he didn't even know there was a problem, yet now he's got a bunch of emails from someone whining like a little girl, and saying who knows what in the emails.
He never had a chance to respond to even the first email, and now he's got a bunch from you, sent every hour (or whatever), with each one getting progressively worse. Maybe he actually read the last one first. And I'll bet that last email was not even close to being a simple polite inquiry about your order.
In this scenario, which is very possibly what happened, you come off looking like an annoying, impatient little twit, and it makes perfect sense that he would be ...... off, and not want your business anymore.

You gotta be kidding right? If he sent more than one email in a 24 hours period it gives the vendor the right to call his house and leave a nasty message on his answering machine?

If that happened which I have no reason to doubt, at the very least it is extremely unprofessional.

Some of you may know the vendor and always had good service, but consider this....

The only true test of vendors customer service skills is how he handles an upset customer. In my book what ever the OP may or may not have sent via email does not excuse any vendor calling someones home and leaving a nasty message. Just totally uncalled for.

According to Lu in the other thread the vendor can respond here if he chooses, all other dialog is really moot. Never ceases to amaze me how many people will defend a vendor before they even know the other side of the story.
 

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I dont believe I said anything about you being a liar and if thats what you thought I apologize. Im only voicing my opinion as you are!!!!!!! As for commenting on a subject I know about Ive dealt with Chris for a while and never have I not received tracking info, Click and ship info, and email not answered, or any bad conversations with Chris so I believe I am commenting on something I do know about.
Yeah, well it's a fact. I can prove it too. Do you want me to post the entire email thread between he and I? Do you want to call me at home and I'll play you the answering machine message he left me? Seriously! Are you actually calling me a liar?

I mean really! Why would I post this if it weren't true?

Let me run this down for you one more time.

1) I emailed him asking for a tracking number
2) He e-mailed me back saying only that it would be shipped on Monday
3) I emailed him this morning asking him one more time if he could possibly send me a tracking number
4) The next thing I know he leaves an angry message on my answering machine telling me never to order from him again and sends me an angry e-mail in huge type and red letters telling me the same thing.

These are facts and I would have no reason whatsoever to make this up. I have ordered from quite a few suppliers and have never had a problem like that. Dawn and DIYFlavorshack, Arno at Awesomevapor and especially Jeff at Wordup E-cigs have all been EXTREMELY nice and friendly to me, and I to them, just to name a few.

Why you seem to want to suggest that I am a liar is beyond me.
 

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Hear Hear to that!!!

You gotta be kidding right? If he sent more than one email in a 24 hours period it gives the vendor the right to call his house and leave a nasty message on his answering machine?

If that happened which I have no reason to doubt, at the very least it is extremely unprofessional.

Some of you may know the vendor and always had good service, but consider this....

The only true test of vendors customer service skills is how he handles an upset customer. In my book what ever the OP may or may not have sent via email does not excuse any vendor calling someones home and leaving a nasty message. Just totally uncalled for.

According to Lu in the other thread the vendor can respond here if he chooses, all other dialog is really moot. Never ceases to amaze me how many people will defend a vendor before they even know the other side of the story.
 

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Sorry, but I hold customer service in quite high regards. And you saying that I couldn't find a single vendor without one complaint is what I find to be quite ridiculous 'IMHO'. Sure, there will always be complaints. But calling the guy at home in a belligerent manner for the reasons stated? That kinda goes a bit farther then a 'received my package late' complaint...

Unacceptable. Period.

I have never ordered from MyFreedomSmokes and no offense meant to Jeff.

Other than Jeff and Chris nobody knows exactly what happened. So to try and say everyone should boycott a company based on a post by one person, especially when there are many other good reviews about the company, is quite ridiculous IMHO. I highly doubt you would be able to find a single vendor who you can't find at least one complaint about. You really should think twice before just jumping on a single post and making a statement like the one quoted above.
 

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He is so pleasant to talk to and so down to earth. The first time I spoke to him on the phone I called him and dint even leave a message and he called back cause he missed a call and we ended up talking for about a half hour. Gotta love that southern drawl.
I like how Jeff calls everyone 'pal' ... It shows he really wants to be friends! :D
 

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looking at his responses to everyone who doubts or calls him on some inconsistencies shows that no amount of input is going to make him believe that posting here the way he did was wrong. the martyr thing is a simple reflex when being soundly disproven.

i do not dispute your "right" to voice your displeasure over what you perceive a bad experience that was SOLELY Chris' fault, according to you. what i do take issue with is that you yourself make a blanket statement that Chris is a rude guy. neither i nor any of my friends that i have referred him to have ever had bad experiences with him. one of them contacts him regularly via email, and my experience calling him was nothing short of proper.

so if you want to come here and post that so and so is rude, and none of us have ever seen that firsthand, then pardon us for calling you on it. what i would have done in your stead would have been to post your experience and asked if anyone else ever had that happen, and what should you do, because you heard he was great to deal with. instead, you take an accusatory stance towards a respected vendor and brook no argument that maybe there could have been a better way of handling the situation, albeit on both sides.
 
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