Great news about that election in New Mexico and I was one of those with njoy prejudices. This interview educated me. Thanks for posting it.
The Diketone Debate: Which Position Do you Take?
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Great news about that election in New Mexico and I was one of those with njoy prejudices. This interview educated me. Thanks for posting it.
It's in their best interests to cater to actual vapers than to try and just appeal to those looking to get into vaping -- after all, we all know that it's relatively quickly that one goes form an entry-level vaper to a pro. Some do stay at cig-a-likes and related items, but I can't imagine that a huge company such as them would want to stay relegated, solely, to the novice class of the ecig market.
I agree, and it was a rather brilliant business move.
genius to try to change their image in such a way. I don't buy it for a second that they are doing anything but what's in the interest of profit like they seem to want us to believe, as is the point of all business. Just as when I purchase .... loads of Dragonscape, I am too, not giving them or anyone I buy from a hug 
As far as diketones, I've not seen proof, but if Dragonscape tastes anything like what I imagine, it might be worth it.
I found a recipe in the DIY/recipes forum that seems verrrrry interesting; it's a recipe for "blueberry custard" but it uses Capella's Vanilla Custard v2, which has no diketones. I had to modify it slightly, since a couple of the ingredients, I have by a different mfr, but I gotta say, this stuff smells AMAZING. I've been heat-steeping it, and the smell drifts out of the bottle, and it's positively yummy smelling; I can't wait to try it! 
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That's 56ug in a day which is less than the 60ug limit Dr. F suggests (20ug/mL * 3 mL = 60ug).
I would be fine with J&J leaving it if it's below levels of concern with normal usage, no need to even mentioned it.
Don't forget, we produce formaldehyde just from breathing. Are we going to stop breathing so as not to expose other(
In liquids for vaping, as long as it's below the level found in tobacco, then the liquid is still less harmful.
If it's only 10% what was found in tobacco, it's a significant reduction.
Are there any studies on various levels of inhalation long term? The OSHA 8hr PEL is 0.75 ppm.
Is there a analysis similar to the DA and AP ones to equate that levels in liquids?
Precisely. I don't expect vaping (or any other activity) to be free of risk.
Given what I know of the dangers of Lithium batteries, the liquids we vape are least of my concerns.
I think that we should all keep in mind that Doc F. stated that those risks from Diketones are AVOIDABLE risks. This has been confirmed with many vendors now offering diketone free e-liquids.
Would you recommend to your loved ones to ride a motorcycle without helmets ?
Recommending avoidable risks to your loved ones is irresponsible is it not ?
Edit: I change my vote to No 1.
I was being too conciliatory with my initial no. 2 vote .
Would you recommend to your loved ones to ride a motorcycle without helmets ?
Recommending avoidable risks to your loved ones is irresponsible is it not ?
Edit: I change my vote to No 1.
I was being too conciliatory with my initial no. 2 vote .
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To avoid the risk, one would need to cease using creamy, sweet, fruit or coffee flavors as we have no idea of what is being used to replace the diketones and if they might pose an even greater risk.
When lead was removed from gasoline everyone rejoiced....it was replaced with MTBE, which has contaminated the groundwater.
A case of jumping out of the frying pan into the fire.
I understand your point, but if you are in a frying pan, to remain in it for fear of the unknown is suicidal. To invite others to jump in is irresponsible to say the least, would'nt you say ?
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This is one of the many vendors that rid themselves of diketones.So those creamy, sweet flavors are still available. They just removed the known and regulated avoidable risks with ingredients that are, (presently), being deemed safe.
Agreed, it would be suicidal, avoiding the choice is the path I have used. I don't vape creamy flavors, for me it's not a great loss, and I realize that might not be the case for everyone. It's the diketones that were the unknown not so very long ago.
I mostly DIY, I have just ordered some diketones free from The Vapor bar, can't wait to test it.
I ordered 6mg Immortal Cinn, (Custard Cinnamon flavor ), I received a 24mg Savage bean, (Custard cream flavor), yesterday morning. The Vapor bar is priority shipping the 6mg Immortal Cinn this morning to correct this little error.
Looks like I may have a free 30ml bottle of Savage bean out of this.... I haven't tasted the Savage Bean yet but it sure smells good. I will once they confirm that I can keep it.
Looks like I may have a free 30ml bottle of Savage bean out of this.... I haven't tasted the Savage Bean yet but it sure smells good. I will once they confirm that I can keep it.
If you like it and they let you keep it (which I think they should do), it will be easy for you to use the Savage Bean as a flavoring for other mixes of your own to bring the nic level down, since you DIY. So that's good!
I got a small sampler from MOV to try them out. I got a 3 pack from the "Dark Temptations" line so that I could compare them with others I have that use a free hand with diketones. I'm comparing them with a variety of samples of some very-popular-at-the-moment brands (without naming names) that I got off the classies to satisfy my curiosity, since my experience has been very limited to mostly one vendor for the past year.
I got Heavenly 7, Caramel MOVacchino, and Strawberry Brulee. So far, all are quite good and better than I expected. The difference is the rich mouth-feel. These MOV don't quite have that. They taste "thin" in comparison, and they also don't cause me to need to clear my throat a lot like the others do. I'm going to let them steep for a while, but I know I won't have any trouble getting through these. For general quality and pure flavor, they beat the samples of some very popular brands I have collected for my comparison experiment.
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Yes that is what I intend to do, mix it to lower the nic level to 6mg. I may even buy 0 nic immortal cinn if the flavor is worth the expense. But when I compare the cost to my DIY cost, it will have to be REALLY good. I'll let you know how it all works out.
Were those MOV e-liquids you mentionned diketones free ?
Yes that is what I intend to do, mix it to lower the nic level to 6mg. I may even buy 0 nic immortal cinn if the flavor is worth the expense. But when I compare the cost to my DIY cost, it will have to be REALLY good. I'll let you know how it all works out.
Were those MOV e-liquids you mentionned diketones free ?
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Yes, each flavor has been tested by a third party lab, and you can read the results. Check them out.
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That is great news that major e-liquid vendors are taking the diketones situation seriously.
Do we know if they test all of their eliquids? They list some naturally extracted tobacco flavors and Diacetyl is a "natural component of tobacco" as reported by the National Institute of Health.... 2,3-Butanedione (Diacetyl) M940009 - NTP
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