The E-juice I buy contains far more chemicals than usual?

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Gematria

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Greetings.

So I bought an eGo-T CE-4 the other day, and simultaneously ordered some e-juice from the same place (a shop situated in Denmark), however on their website I've found a list of the chemicals their e-juice contains:

  • Eteutheroside
  • Polyethylene glycol
  • 2-Acetylpyridine
  • Acetylpyrazine
  • Beta-noneDamasce
  • Trimethylpyrazine
  • Malic acid
  • Tetramethylpyrazine
  • Nicotine (Optional)

I've heard e-juice usually is only meant to contain 4-5 chemicals (besides nicotine), so my question is: Should I find another vendor? Or are these chemicals generally safe?

Thanks in advance.
 

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BUMP I want to know more, what vendor did you buy this from?

The vendor is PlusDamp.dk.

We also have a site here in Denmark called TrustPilot where customers can rate vendors externally, this vendor has received really good ratings, so I won't bring its validity into question, however the "extensive" amount of chemicals do bother me somewhat.
 

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Greetings.

So I bought an eGo-T CE-4 the other day, and simultaneously ordered some e-juice from the same place (a shop situated in Denmark), however on their website I've found a list of the chemicals their e-juice contains:

  • Eteutheroside
  • Polyethylene glycol - this is PG, a normal base carrier
  • 2-Acetylpyridine - this is a flavor molecule
  • Acetylpyrazine - known as AP, a common flavor component
  • Beta-noneDamasce - appears to be an essential rose oil
  • Trimethylpyrazine - a flavor compound
  • Malic acid - another common flavor compound
  • Tetramethylpyrazine - this is also a common flavor compound
  • Nicotine (Optional)

I've heard e-juice usually is only meant to contain 4-5 chemicals (besides nicotine), so my question is: Should I find another vendor? Or are these chemicals generally safe?

Thanks in advance.

I added a few comments to your list. These are just the ones I recognize or could quickly find on Google.

Looks like the vendor is just making sure to list all the compounds used, including the flavorings, which I think is a good thing.

Do some Google searching to learn more.

Sent from somewhere on planet Earth.
 

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I googled the first 4 and those aren't harmful ...'binding' agents and a flavor additive, most are also used in medicines. Couldn't find anything on "Beta-noneDamasce", so I got bored and gave up. :p

I'm guessing the others on the list will follow suit ...not so much because I have faith that companies would never put anything harmful into a product, but because I have faith that they wouldn't advertise it if they did. :p
 

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I added a few comments to your list. These are just the ones I recognize or could quickly find on Google.

Looks like the vendor is just making sure to list all the compounds used, including the flavorings, which I think is a good thing.

Do some Google searching to learn more.

Sent from somewhere on planet Earth.

Seeing as they're just flavor components then, I think I'll lay off my paranoia.

Thanks for your help.
 

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Yes, looks like its really just a breakdown of the flavorings used. Most juice ingredients would look like this if all of their ingredients were listed.

"Eleutherosides are a diverse group of chemical compounds that were isolated from roots of the herb Eleutherococcus senticosus which is commercially offered mostly as extracts."

2-Acetylpyridine is an organic compound that is widely used as a flavoring substance. It is found in malt and created by the Maillard reaction and by nixtamalization. It contributes to the flavor of corn tortillas, popcorn and beer. [1]

Acetyl Pyrazine 5% (PG)
taste description:
at 10.00 ppm. Roasted, nutty, bready and yeasty, with popcorn and corn chip nuances
good for graham gracker flavors

Damascenones are a series of closely related chemical compounds that are components of a variety of essential oils. The damascenones belong to a family of chemicals known as rose ketones, which also includes damascones and ionones. beta-Damascenone is a major contributor to the aroma of roses, despite its very low concentration, and is an important fragrance chemical used in perfumery.[1]

Trimethyl Pyrazine 10% (PG)
2,3,5 Trimethyl Pyrazine diluted to 10% in Propylene Glycol heart/mid note
nutty musty earthy powdery cocoa roasted peanut

Malic acid is an organic compound with the formula HO2CCH2CHOHCO2H. It is a dicarboxylic acid that is made by all living organisms, contributes to the pleasantly sour taste of fruits, and is used as a food additive
 

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I googled the first 4 and those aren't harmful ...'binding' agents and a flavor additive, most are also used in medicines. Couldn't find anything on "Beta-noneDamasce", so I got bored and gave up. :p

I'm guessing the others on the list will follow suit ...not so much because I have faith that companies would never put anything harmful into a product, but because I have faith that they wouldn't advertise it if they did. :p

Heh, yeah.

But I think I'll just continue buying from them, as ratchet said, the fact that they list what their e-juice contains should probably be seen as a good thing in the first place.

Spazmelda said:
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Thanks for your extensive research.
 

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All flavorists know these chemicals as USP grade and FDA approved food additives. Basic tobacco blends contain molecules of Acetyl Pyrazine, Carvone, Cinnamic Aldehyde, Damascone Beta, Ethyl Acetate, Ethyl Maltol, Ethyl Vanillin, Lialool, Menthol, Menthyl Acetate, Methyl Cyclopentenolone, Syringol, Tabanon, Tetramethyl Pyrazine, Trimethyl Pyrazine, and Vanillin. Welcome to food flavorings. Molecules like these are used to produce amazing flavors. For example, many tobacco flavors are made from two fruit molecules, which individually taste like fruit. I've tried very hard to get into this chemistry and have all of these chemical molecules. It's a true art and a science, and while I DIY, true flavorists are a very special gifted breed, much like perfumers. I'm glad someone can make my cinnamon Danish concentrates, that I can turn into one very nice ejuice. Do not worry when you see these chemicals, unless you see diacetyl (buttery), acetoin, or acetyl propionyl, which are approved food additives, but known carcinogens.

Here's an explanation of flavor from TPA:

"There are many approaches to experiencing the art of Flavor Creation. You might like to start out by experimenting with pre-made flavor concentrates. These concentrates are very easy for beginners to use, and we have lots of flavors to get you started. Flavor concentrates are blends of various materials, both synthetic and natural, that are usually diluted in a carrier liquid. The most common carriers for flavor are Propylene Glycol and its derivatives, Ethyl Alcohol, Vegetable Glycerin, and Triacetin. The flavor blends we offer are very concentrated, and are not meant to be ingested directly without diluting; they are meant to be used as flavoring agents for many types of applications. If you choose to learn about how these concentrated flavors are made, you will explore the different types of materials used in flavor creation described below. Essential Oils are obtained by distillation of flowers, roots, bark of trees, etc. These are the natural oils that are present in flowers, herbs, and woods. Distillates and juices of fruits and berries are also used, but usually can not be used to make very concentrated flavors because of the potential need for refrigeration The most commonly used type of flavor material is the flavor molecule. These are the molecules that are the "building blocks" of all flavors, and many of them are derived from natural sources. For example, natural orange essential oil is composed of molecules such as limonene and citral. Many of these molecules can be isolated from the complete oil by natural means such as fractional distillation The separation of a mixture (ex. an essential oil) into its component parts, based on each molecule's boiling point. These aroma molecules can be challenging, in that many of them have effects on a flavor composition that are not obvious when evaluating them separately. Just like with cooking, it is sometimes best to start with a known formula, then experiment by varying the proportions and introducing new materials. Some of these flavor molecules exist as liquids, and some are crystals and powders. Flavors can be created as either oil or water soluble, which can sometimes be a challenge when working with materials that lean strongly one way or the other! Water soluble means that a flavor will dissolve into water, or propylene glycol, or other mediums that are not oils. If a flavor is oil soluble, and you put a few drops into water, it will simply separate and float (or sink) and will not combine. So it is important to know which type of flavor material is right for your application. For example, cinnamaldehyde (cinnamic aldehyde) is a very important molecule used in all cinnamon flavors. But on its own it is not water soluble at all!"
 

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I'm really curious about the additives/chemicals found in e-juice too. I'm vaping to stop the harm i'm doing to my body from smoking and sometimes wonder just what am i putting into my lungs now! :confused:

Relax.

You have probably ingested, inhaled or rubbed your skin with many times more PG, VG and flavorings than you'll get with your e-cig.

Do you like scented candles?

Air fresheners?

Ever used a personal lubricant? Skin lotion? Scented soaps? Perfume sprays?

Do you wear makeup? Do you apply sunscreen when out by the water?

Relax.
 
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