The Echo Thread

[Charlz]

I don't think so, Cyrus. As for pictures, my cell phone takes crappy one and I spent a day taking pics of my setups, battery sizes for other people and fufilling requests from Cyrus. Loaded them up and they all look like garbage. Maybe it's my computer. IDK.

 

[GMalarkey]

Thanks TX, I was thinking that might be best but I knew this was the best place to ask. I'll make sure to tell him to watch for the drip.

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[Charlz]

Thanks TX, I was thinking that might be best but I knew this was the best place to ask. I'll make sure to tell him to watch for the drip.

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I have a catch bottle. It helps to fill these to oversturation the first time. With a syringe, fill it up to 3mls and slowly inject about .75mls to a ml at a time. Rotate and repeat in a different spot. Set it at an angle on the catch bottle and drip slowly, watching for absorption, an extra half a ml down the sides. As it starts to pool on top, set the carto back upright on the catch bottle and leave it for about 20 minutes. Come back and blow excess into catch bottle and wipe off base really well. Check to make sure excess is gone by blowing into paper towel. Vapor on these can be a bit harsh until the wick is fully primed- about 10-20 toots.

probably over time, he may abandon this method and take short cuts once he gets used to the feel of filling these.

 

[Mookie]

A syringe is the best way especially on a new carto. You can drip it in along the side but being as a new carto holds about 3.4 ml it takes awhile. If you get a drip out the bottom let it set a few minutes on a paper towell.

I would also recommend to fill slowly. I tend to want everything done fast but I've noticed if I fill these to quickly it doesn't give all the filler enough time to absorb and leaks our prematurely. I do 1 ml at a time and wait a few minutes between each ml. Let it set for a bit then drip some from the top to make sure it is saturated for the first fill. Then top off or syringe fill as warranted.

 

[Mookie]

Hah - Charlz and I were writing at the same time - LOL!

 

[txtumbleweed]

I used to fill mine real slow like that but on a new carto I shoot the whole 3 ml in without waiting and mine never leaks with 3 ml. If I fill the last .4 ml in I take that a little slower. With refills it is different and I do have to fill much slower or it leaks out prematurely.
I'm not patient at all because I'm usually wanting to vape right then.

 

[Charlz]

The only time I'm ever patient is the ones I fill at night before bedtime. I remember when it was routine to vape it all day and fill at night before putting the battery on a charger. I had such a good system then. Now I have seven batteries and a zillion cartos so I get a little careless. Every connection used to get a good alcohol wipe nightly too. Now that 5-10 mins of maintenance has been replaced with an hour of modding something.

 

[txtumbleweed]

I'm a totally unorganized guy and being as I live alone I have PV's and cartos on every table. lol I've really got to make myself get it all straightened out but the mailman is always delivering something new to try and on an on it goes. lol

 

[txtumbleweed]

Hey guys Rob at smoktek has some new echo vision clearos rated at 2.5 ohms that he just got in. I ordered a couple to try and he said he could get different colors if people like them and want more.Vision 808 Echo/VGO Transparent Clearomizer, 2.5 Ohm

They have the whistletip instead of the regular one too which i like!

 

[Errol]

Thanks for the replies. What seems to be the favorite carto for the echo? Single coil? dual Coil? or the Vision? What is the attraction of the vision, esp. since it hold less and is more expensive. I couldnt find any comparisons.
thanks again.

I don't use the Echo batteries but the Echo DC carto has been my first choice for a long long time and I've tried dozens of other cartos/atties. There have been several that were good, just not quite as good overall, taste, vapor cost effectiveness as the Echo DC carto.

I have several of the Vision cartos and a couple have been very nice for flavor and vapor but unfortunately the so called Stardust and CE3-XL don't measure up for me, though many think they are amazing. One of two of my favorite above the rest of the visions I've tried is the Vision Stone Tank. If you think this might be a choice for you I can elaborate on it.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-screwing-better-leakage-protection-base.html

There are several of these from different vendors under different names and different prices so one is not locked into GotVapes.

What mix of PG and VG do you use?

Errol

 

[Heavy119]

Not really. You have a couple of options. Take the guts out of and echomizer. It will fit snuggly over the metal band. It will also leave scratch marks if you aren't careful. I have a big enough collection of batteries that I don't care. I only used two batteries for this method. You may have to find a way to punch a hole in the shell for airflow. Punch it about 1/2 inch from the base. It's easier to do it with the guts in so it holds it's shape better. You can hide the hole underneath.

Method two is one I recently came up with. Find an appropriate sized grommet and fit it at the base of the carto. Slide the shell over the top so it fits snug around the grommet. Leave room for the vent holes at the bottom of the cartomizer. You can make your own grommet if you have a 3ml syringe. Take the rubber piece off the plunger. Stretch the hollow end over the mouth end of a dead carto. Place the rubber side down on a hard surface and strike the thread end with hammer until it forces it through the plunger. The ridges around the plunger hold the shell in place better.

Sorry if this is a dumb question but:
When you say "the shell" are you talking about the shell from an echomizer?
I understand about the grommet, an o-ring will also do the same thing I guess.
If you are talking about the shell from an echomizer, how difficult is it to remove the "threaded" part? (I believe the innards, packing material/coil wouldn't be too difficult) But where the female threads are (where it screws into the battery) is that all one solid piece, since it is filled from the top?
I don't have an echo carto, just using regular cartos, so I am not familiar with that particular area on the echo cart. If it isn't difficult to remove threaded part, then I will order one just for using it as a cone.

Thanks in advance.

 

[Charlz]

Rather than point to previous threads where we have taken them apart for cleaning, I'll summarize.

1)Take the filler out of an echo cartomizer. It helps if it's wet. Needle nose pliers work well for this. Wash both pieces of filler and lay them out to dry for future use.

2) With a screwdriver with a thin shaft that's long enough to hit the bottom, insert it all the way in. Be careful you are hitting the base of the echomizer and not the wings of the airtube at the base.

3) Grip the carto very firmly and strike the screwdriver as hard as you dare with a hammer. Keep an eye on the base. Eventually you will see it starting to pop loose from the shell.

4) Place the echomizer back on the battery. Grip the battery as close to the threads as possible so you don't loosen the seal on the battery. Wiggle the shell back and forth getting it looser until it pops off.

This is also the best method for taking apart an echomizer for cleaning. Once you have it down, you can do this every time and use your echomizers for months. Soak the guts on alcohol and dry burn with a manual battery. keep an eye on the air tube to see it's not getting black from the dry burn. I even take the airtube off and use aquarium grade silicone to fix it back on later.

Looks like I can just copy and paste this for the echomizer cleaning thread when I can take good pictures.

 

[Heavy119]

Thanks, Last question;
One it is apart, can I use the shell as a cone?

 

[Heavy119]

Nevermind,,I read your post again, it answered that question....sorry.

 

[Charlz]

If you are going to slide it over the battery, punch a hole in the shell before removing the guts. BUT I actually prefer using the syringe plunger grommet. The ridges on the outside provide the right grip to hold the shell in place better and it's less apt to come off. It also seals off airflow so it's only coming through the carto inside the shell. That way you can continue to use the 801 tip that fits the echomizer. (you'll understand as you play with it, just in case it sounds confusing as I wrote it.)

The echo shell actually fits some ce2 shells like the fluxos from Gotvapes but they extend just a bit past the shell so using the 801 tip isn't an option and they just barely fit through. Some shells will and some are so tight I would do it because I'm afraid I will forget and try pulling off the shell (or it will come loose in my pocket if i forget), taking the ce2 shell with it. That would be bad.

 

[Mookie]

I used to fill mine real slow like that but on a new carto I shoot the whole 3 ml in without waiting and mine never leaks with 3 ml. If I fill the last .4 ml in I take that a little slower. With refills it is different and I do have to fill much slower or it leaks out prematurely.
I'm not patient at all because I'm usually wanting to vape right then.

Ok I'll admit with my level of impatience a few minutes in reality is more like a few seconds. I was trying to be helpful and that is how I was told to do it. Some even say to let it set from anywhere of 30 minutes to overnight. I usually let them sit for about 15-20 minutes which then is converted to Mookie time which is more like 5-10 minutes!

I have also noticed that after a while when topping off they start to leak very quickly. I thought that was because the filler was at the end of it's life time. Now try not to gasp out loud Charlz but (are you sitting down?)......I then just throw them away!!!

The last few days I've gotten so frustrated with my mixed up mess of cartos, etc., I just started tasting them and if I didn't like the taste of the juice I ditched them. Must be dozens out in the trash can! Now I'm back trying to be organized the way I started out. Each accessory with juice in it is placed in a baggie with the juice so I can keep them straight. That should last about another week or so again - LOL!

I know how you don't like to waste and you like to tinker Charlz. We must live close so I should be saving them for you!

Tx- Are these Vision Echo 808/VGO clearos any different than the ITurbo/Stardust. I love the look and ease but just am not a fan of the flavor. The modding you guys suggested helps but not enough for my taste. Muted/pastic? Not sure what it is but I just don't care for it. I'd be interested in hearing what you think of the new ones you ordered.

 

[txtumbleweed]

Ok I'll admit with my level of impatience a few minutes in reality is more like a few seconds. I was trying to be helpful and that is how I was told to do it. Some even say to let it set from anywhere of 30 minutes to overnight. I usually let them sit for about 15-20 minutes which then is converted to Mookie time which is more like 5-10 minutes!

I have also noticed that after a while when topping off they start to leak very quickly. I thought that was because the filler was at the end of it's life time. Now try not to gasp out loud Charlz but (are you sitting down?)......I then just throw them away!!!

The last few days I've gotten so frustrated with my mixed up mess of cartos, etc., I just started tasting them and if I didn't like the taste of the juice I ditched them. Must be dozens out in the trash can! Now I'm back trying to be organized the way I started out. Each accessory with juice in it is placed in a baggie with the juice so I can keep them straight. That should last about another week or so again - LOL!

I know how you don't like to waste and you like to tinker Charlz. We must live close so I should be saving them for you!

Tx- Are these Vision Echo 808/VGO clearos any different than the ITurbo/Stardust. I love the look and ease but just am not a fan of the flavor. The modding you guys suggested helps but not enough for my taste. Muted/pastic? Not sure what it is but I just don't care for it. I'd be interested in hearing what you think of the new ones you ordered.

I think these are the same carto just at 2.5 ohms. I'm not sure what the ones from VaporGirl were. Charlz said his echomizers were working real good at 2.5 so I thought I'd give these a try. I only bought one with 808 threads and wanted to get a couple of more so I thought I'd try these. Nhaler has them for a 1.50 cheaper but I'm not sure of their ohms either. I save all my echo cartos for the just in case something happens scenario and I can't get more times. I will then learn how to clean them. lol

 

[Charlz]

It's ok, Mookie. I understand the need to clean house every once in awhile. Especially because you are on the search for your vape.

The ce4s that Smoktek has are pretty much the same as everyone else's, I imagine. Except I believe the ones elsewhere that are 808 fall more in the 2.8 ohm range. 2.5 won't change too much but I like the idea of the whistle tips and that they are coming from hangsen. Even if they aren't making them themselves, they still bring us good stuff. I'll let you know in a couple of days if these are any different.

 

[Mookie]

TVG never put the ohm rating on the ITurbo so I don't know either. But I just remembered I have a couple of her colored 2.8ohm ones. Haven't bothered using them because I figured they would just be the same but I'll give it a try tomorrow and see if there is any difference. The 808's I'll use on my auto Echo.

I have some with 510 threaded also but don't remember what the resistance on those are either. But they have that same flavor as the ITurbo's. These were used on a KGO. I really wish manufacturers would label their equipment. I pull things out of my messy drawer and really like/or don't like something but I can't recall what it is so I can't reorder.

 

[Charlz]

can you take a picture? I like the guessing game as much as I like the game where we are typing over each other. I'm going to visit another thread for a moment.......