Seeing some problems with a brand new Echo-E battery and some cartos. Take a look HERE please. Anyone know anything about this?
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I use an eGo charger on my Riva 510. They state specifically to connect the battery to the charger before plugging the charger into the wall. Guess these batteries are all a little different. I hope you didn't do the DarthVper thing and "blowed it up real good"
Thanks for pointing this out. This is a classic example of the need to pay attention and read the fine print. Most of us have a mix of this & that. batteries especially need to be handled properly.
That was me! Thanks for noticing! I'm trying to find an inexpensive adaptor so I can use my dcc on the echo-e battery.
I had a similar problem,bought one from a local B&M,worked awesome for 2 days. Then when I went to charge it, nothing,but my charger still works fine on eGo & Riva batts. The exchanged it for an eGo batt(900mah,I think) cause they said they didn't carry the charger yet. But their website states it works with 510/eGo stuff.
So what's the final verdict here? Do you have to use an Echo charger? Will the eGo & Riva work on the Echo charger? Sorry if I missed the answer here, couldn't find one.
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Wow. There's a specific charging and control circuit in the eGo batteries, and units that emulate an eGo have to conform to it. So if their battery has a different circuit, it's possible for it not to work or even damage the charger. Vendors are pretty vague and casual about it.
I received this message from Bill when this subject was brought up.
>>"the echo, echo-e, stealth and igo is what I sell. every kit has instructions that say use the charger that comes with the kit!
Or you risk the possibility of damaging your battery and or fires."<<
Personally don't think I want anything to do with Echo batteries, too many other good units out there to have to worry about proprietary equipment.
Errol
How are dual coil Echo-e cartos holding up? My first one seemed to create a pretty hot vapor, and then in about a week it went cooler but "meh" on me. Turns out resistance jumped from 2.3 to 2.7 ohms. My single coils keep on truckin'. Any experiences with DC longevity?
Purchased my first units 9/22/11 and am still vaping the original. It doesn't appear to have changed much but I'd have to open a new one to know for sure. It's one of three that I use in rotation. My original atty has moved from 1.6 to 2 ohms, along the line I've upped the voltage from 4.6 to 5v where it now seems to work best. Never did get any satisfaction at anything less than 4.6v.
Errol
I'm experiencing the same thing. My first impression is man these things really deliver. My second is man these things use a lot of juice. My third is man these things use a lot of juice.
I've been comparing 3 cartos for at least a couple or three weeks. -1- DC echo e on an ego, -2- DC E on a riva, -3-DC echo on an echo batt. All are 650's. Of the three, the riva DC-e is the best. I just can't get the echo right for me. It's too airish and cuts off too early at times. I try plugging the one of the holes and that helps for a while. It takes forever to charge. But it's nice to carry in your pocket. Here's how I rank them in order best first: Please note they are all decent vapes. Also I'm referring to the setup, not just the cart.
Flavor: 2=9 1=8.5 3=8.5
Strength: 2=9 1=8 3=7.5
consumption: 3=5 1=4 2=4
filling ease: 1,2 easy to drip fill. 3 must use syringe. If you use a syringe they're equal
consistency: 1=9 2=8.5 3=5 with 3, sometimes I just don't get a good hit.
longevity: 3=8 1=6 2=6 The echo lasts longer before burning or getting "meh" (I think the top coil is less exposed)
cost: Hmmm. I'm going with 2. The riva is 10.95. Another reason is the echo holds more juice so when you pitch it, you lose more. Probably a wash.
Build quality: 3=10 1,2=7 (3 is chrome)
Bottom line for me is I reach for the Riva first. I've had to make myself use the others, especially the echo. I also way prefer the 801 drip tip to the whistle tip. I've put up the box mod in favor of the Riva DC-e rig. Next I'm going to try the single coil on the Riva. As far as getting 'meh" in a week...probably so. I just broke out two new echo e's. Noticable difference. I'd say if you're vaping two of these like I do, they'll go about 2 1/2 weeks. They'll go longer but taste like dog squeeze.
So Michael, if I understand correctly, yours were all dual coil. Two 510 threaded Es and one echo threaded?
I had one single coil Echo-E go open after a couple weeks of good vaping, when I dropped it on a hard surface.
The second has been going unchanged in rotation for like 2 months, 2.6 ohms, it's still good tasting with fantastic VG vapor on ego batteries 3.4 volts. It's a thick, cool and large-particle vapor, the flavor not as strong as say a Boge 2.0, but nicer than a CE2. It's close to perfect.
The third I put in service 2 weeks ago for the matrimonial unit, it was good enough to make her at last willing to carry an ego battery - nearly all the time.
The fourth tasted bad and I sacrificed it after an hour. Turns out the wick was badly mounted.
The fifth started service today with a Toscano Cigar + Bitter Wizard VG DIY. I'm vaping it now.
In contrast with the dual coil unit, my impression of the single coil echo-e is that it's the best and most practical burner overall. You can vape them dry with no damage. The 2.x ml capacity is perfect. I DIY clear all VG liquid. I've never had to clean them.
A pair of joye ego batteries and a set of echo-Es is what I'd recommend for anybody starting out, tell 'em to simply toss any carto that tastes bad at any point, fill with a syringe along the sides, and to expect a month of use out of them.
I had one single coil Echo-E go open after a couple weeks of good vaping, when I dropped it on a hard surface.
The second has been going unchanged in rotation for like 2 months, 2.6 ohms, it's still good tasting with fantastic VG vapor on ego batteries 3.4 volts. It's a thick, cool and large-particle vapor, the flavor not as strong as say a Boge 2.0, but nicer than a CE2. It's close to perfect.
The third I put in service 2 weeks ago for the matrimonial unit, it was good enough to make her at last willing to carry an ego battery - nearly all the time.
The fourth tasted bad and I sacrificed it after an hour. Turns out the wick was badly mounted.
The fifth started service today with a Toscano Cigar + Bitter Wizard VG DIY. I'm vaping it now.
In contrast with the dual coil unit, my impression of the single coil echo-e is that it's the best and most practical burner overall. You can vape them dry with no damage. The 2.x ml capacity is perfect. I DIY clear all VG liquid. I've never had to clean them.
A pair of joye ego batteries and a set of echo-Es is what I'd recommend for anybody starting out, tell 'em to simply toss any carto that tastes bad at any point, fill with a syringe along the sides, and to expect a month of use out of them.
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The cartos are advertised that they can be cleaned. I know when the Go-Go first came out, it was advertised that the cartos could be cleaned and reused 100x. The echo and Go-go cartos are pretty much the same thing. I never really cleaned the smaller ones but you may want to give it a shot cleaning the echo-e cartos.
The vertical coil units usually get burned, and aren't worth cleaning, they always taste burned. The horizontals should be cleanable, and I'm not sure why, but unless I can really see the coil, like on a CE2, I've never had much luck truly reviving a carto that's stopped giving good vapor. Even on CE2s, the coil gets very brittle, and snaps easily. I figure, for the money, is it worth the time? More power to ya if you can.
FWIW I recently cleaned my original DC Echo 808/901 threaded unit using my own version of this tool with boiling water. Put it in my Ultrasonic unit with boiling water for a single cycle and once dry it vaped pretty much the same as the new one I had just opened though at a higher voltage, 5v vs 4.6v on the new one.
Cartomizer/Atomizer Cleaning Kit - With 10ml Control Syringe, Luer-lock compatible w/cleaning tubes and instructions
Errol
Smoktek has the echo 650 kit on sale today for 29.95 and the 1300 for 33.95!
http://www.smoktek.com/Echo-650-1300mAh-Complete-Kit-_p_22.html
http://www.smoktek.com/Echo-650-1300mAh-Complete-Kit-_p_22.html
has anyone heard of "echo ugo electric cigarette" I can only find it on an exporting website but they say it's the newest echo battery for 2011. it has some cool looking lights on it but that website didn't give many specs on it. just search echo ugo electric cigarette on google and check it out. do any retailers sell it yet? is it real or a knock off? I sent them en email and asked if they would sell one maybe ill get lucky. I don't know if I can post the link so I will not.
Yeah, I found that this kit works well when I want to clean a fresh carto of a bad juice. (happens more often than not) Not so much for a carto with some hours on it as the coil gets caked with crud and you can't burn the buildup off with this method.
I don't know of any method to burn the crud of the coils in any cartomizer, particularly DC units. Though there is a tutorial posted somewhere on how to clean the single coil Echo by taking the packing out.
Errol
Yes, as you stated. I'm kind of done with the echo DC. But so far they do last longer...I just don't like the battery and putting 3ml of juice in them. It's a lot to throw away when they go bad and then you have to put 3 more in a new one. But the Echo E goes out quicker for me. They taste a little off after a week and a half. Not bad but I notice it. I had one get discolored on the top coil and get tar like bugars on it. I tried cleaning one by boiling and ultra sonic cleaning. Worked ok for a while but not worth the time. And the paint chipped—I named it Spot.
I had an echo e single coil a while back. I just ordered 4 more and will give those a whirl again. At that time, I also was vaping Bloogs and there was not that much difference in flavor and strength. Except with the E, you don't have to fill so much and you can vape heavier. I've also noticed since using the DC echo e my windshield gets film on it enough to need a once a week cleaning. Overall, these cartos are the best combination of flavor, strength, fussiness, maintenance. I'm thinking the E single coil is the answer. I'll soon know.
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