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Well I guess the Cat is out of the Bag, I made the dual coil Echo carto and passed my findings along to Dennis at Mountain Vapor. Dennis pursued this and had hangsen make them. These things are going to blow you guys away how well they work.

Without giving away any methods or business secrets, are both coils horizontal? I have been more than happy with my GO-GO's but I gotta tell you, this sounds like the next big step for large capacity, horizontal cartos! I am very excited to hear this news! :D
 

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Quick question - when I have my 510 carto (dual-coil, using adapter) on my echo battery, the LED flashes twice after I take a drag. Is this something to be worried about?

You probably hitting the 5 second cutoff. The batt flashes twice then you're good to go again. No timeout like the older auto batts.
 

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FABSTA: "Smoked my last cig: 1st May 2010"

you are past the one year mark! that is awesome.

Thanks Bill. It sure is a good feeling! No more coughing up a lung in the morning or tight chest. 19 years of a pack a day is all in the past. :toast:

Congrats on becoming a registered supplier! I wish you all the best.
 

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Quick question - when I have my 510 carto (dual-coil, using adapter) on my echo battery, the LED flashes twice after I take a drag. Is this something to be worried about?

i've had the same thing happen with using a 510 dual-coil and adapter on my echo, but *the battery stays on all by itself long after i stop taking a drag!*, and then flashes -- i'd imagine that's not a very good sign...

so IMO, yes, i think it's something to worry about. :(
 

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I wish they would figure out what is causing this NASTY taste and smell. I have 2 bad ones out of 3 now. That's 6ml of juice down the drain. I pulled the filling and you can smell it in the filling. A bad lot or what?
I rebuilt the first one but I don't expect to have to do that before I can use them.
I just filled the 4th cart with straight PG and am letting it sit.
Does anyone have a clue about this?
Back to my Nicostick.
 

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I wish they would figure out what is causing this NASTY taste and smell. I have 2 bad ones out of 3 now. That's 6ml of juice down the drain. I pulled the filling and you can smell it in the filling. A bad lot or what?
I rebuilt the first one but I don't expect to have to do that before I can use them.
I just filled the 4th cart with straight PG and am letting it sit.
Does anyone have a clue about this?
Back to my Nicostick.

I read a couple of posts where they had that type of problem but I haven't had a problem with any of mine. Are you using the Echo-e or regular echo with the auto battery?
 

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i have gone through quite a few cartos by now and never had, nor heard of anyone that has has a nasty taste right off the bat.
someone was experiencing little vapor andmaybe an "off taste" a little bit? and was told to push the filler down just a smidgen because it wasnt touching the coil properly. maybe i have just gotten lucky but all mind have performed splendid right from the get-go. and as the link Jimmy posted indicates, do not charge the echo batteries with anything more than 150ma/h. (kind of a bummer sometimes,i know)
 

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I wish they would figure out what is causing this NASTY taste and smell. I have 2 bad ones out of 3 now. That's 6ml of juice down the drain. I pulled the filling and you can smell it in the filling. A bad lot or what?
I rebuilt the first one but I don't expect to have to do that before I can use them.
I just filled the 4th cart with straight PG and am letting it sit.
Does anyone have a clue about this?
Back to my Nicostick.

I've heard only two others talk about this problem. As far as I know, it's a total mystery experienced by very few. I've had zero problems with 5 Echo carts and 4 Echo-E carts. Maybe you should tell the vendor and see what they suggest.
 

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I'm using the Echo w/ auto batt. I was loving it. Great battery, switch, 3ml, no leaks.... But this is ridiculous.
BiancaMongomery just posted this past week about the same thing. Here's another thread about the issue; http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-burning-rubber-taste-echo-e-cartomizers.html
and I'm sure I've seen abother post but I'm not re-reading this thread.

Well like I and others stated, there have been a couple but we don't know because we haven't had any problems with burn't taste. I've been using this type carto for four months and I haven't had one with a burnt taste.
 

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About the burning taste:
This is why I decided to clean my two echomizers, along with noticing a dark juice coming out the bottom. Of course that resulted in destroying them (oops) but i had no idea what was inside. What I did find out when I took them apart was interesting... In both, the 'coil' was coated in a thick hard black ash, and the 'stem' or tube extending through the cartridge was blackened as if burnt around where the coil was. i tried to take some pictures to document my findings:

The dark juice coming out the bottom. You see the color of the juice I've been using in the bottle. I thought this was odd:


I thought maybe something was down in the tube (not knowing the atty was in there) and found a pen, took it apart, used as a tool to poke around in there:


What I hear was 'crunch' crunch' then black hard chunks started coming out. Felt like pieces of rock:


Then I pushed too hard and the atty came out the bottom :facepalm:


You can't really tell unfortunately but the inside of the bottom looks and smells burnt up:


The second echomizer I tried this on I had the same chucks coming out the tube so I figured "screw this" and pushed the atty out of it too. The hard black soot was completely covering it. When I tried to take some off the whole thing crumbled apart.

So that's what happened to me. I was noticing on both echomizers the burnt rubber smell and bitter hit in my throat, otherwise I would have never tried this. And yes on one of them I did the 'running hot water through, soaking in hot water' fix first which was not helpful.

EDIT: Just took them apart and here's what I found:


Those dark spots are burns :evil:
 
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First I know that's Echo and my experience with this type of issue was GO-GO but the cartos are of the same type design, so here goes. I have said often I use 4 plus ml a day of juice. It just so happens my "go to" is Tasty Vapor Atomic Cinnacide which I mix 50/50 with DK-Tab.

What many have experienced is that the ejuice vendors who use a high "sugar-type" content not only gunk up cartos but attys and any thing else they get on more quickly than other juices. Tx and others can get weeks out of a carto but I get like 4 - 5 days max before they have to be rebuild type cleaned.

In my experiences, when I have gotten the "muddy" juice out the bottom, it is because the coil was so caked up that running hot water through them and drying them only softened up some of the layers of gunk on the coil. I have had one case where I was still getting fair vapor but got the muddy juice out the bottom and wicked bad taste. Since I use a high PG/VG ratio, 85/15, I figured the one odd time that the PG had knocked some gunk of the coil.

Disassembling proved that to be correct. The one thing I like about the Mohawkz Method of rebuild cleaning is that you dry burn the coil just like a regular atty and when reassembled, you have a carto that 99% of the time works like new. The only key is to determine what is the max usage time for you based on your vaping habits and type of juice used.

If you don't have the time nor patience to do that type of cleaning, several have had good luck with an inexpensive Ultrasonic cleaner. I have one but haven't ever used it with the good luck I am having doing the long route. No other carto type offers me the capacity and consistent vape I get with these fat battery/large horizontal coil cartos so it's worth it to me.

All I can suggest is the next new carto you start using, note the vapor production and how long it takes for it to begin tapering off with your juices of choice. When it really starts dropping and you know you have juice in it, set it aside for cleaning no matter your chosen method and go to another. It will vary. Although it doesn't satisfy my cravings alone for example, I can use 100% DK-Tab and get almost 2 weeks from a carto. Pure Atomic Cinnacide and I wont get 4 days.

Sorry for the wall of text but with all the different formulas juice makers use and the different ways we use our PV's, there is no set pattern as to when other than the reduction in vapor you feel warrants action. How you vape matters too! Like Tx didn't even know his had a cutoff on the draw due to his way of vaping. Me, I just know to let up on the button when the led starts flashing because I wont be getting more vape until I re-press the power button. :laugh:
 
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