The Echo Thread

[txtumbleweed]

I've never had a burnt taste on any of mine unless I run them dry. I normally vape 80-20 Pg juice and I think Lulu was using Vg which is real thick. She might have had a wicking issue because of that. Just be sure to fill a new carto with at least 3ml and you should be good. I hope you enjoy your Echo as much as I have using mine for the last nine months.

 

[StartLifeEndLife]

Phew, got it thanks. Considering going over to a local store today for some juice. I have three choices, 1 is super pricey, 1 is less of a store and more of a room in their office building, and one my be on my route today. All are about 35 min away from me. But i'm just happy to know they exist! The trick here is to wait and see what the mail man has for me before I try to go to one of these, but if the mail main comes too late and doesn't have anything for me the store wont be open anymore.

Sure glad I have today off, its such a precarious day! Meanwhile, one of my blu batteries died the other night (drunk friend + changing a carto = seriously you broke it?) so, im in an odd sort of torture which is staring at my Echo while only being able to Vape for 20 min at 40 min intervals.

More and more those local stores vs. missing the mail man is looking better and better.

 

[txtumbleweed]

The Echo-E battery won't fire anything under 2ohms, that is the problem unfortunately.

Thanks for clearing that up I don't have any echo-e batteries so I didn't know that. I knew the autos wouldn't work on some of the LR cartos but didn't know about the manual batteries.

 

[Charlz]

Unless I'm mistaken, the Echo-E battery won't fire anything under 2ohms, that is the problem unfortunately.

seems to be a built in safety feature on both the echo and echo-e. Like charging it slowly. Manufacturer really wants us not to do anything that could damage the batteries. Again, contact Swedishfish on the forums. She claims to use both DCCs and LR on her echo-e

It is slightly odd. My echo DCCs measure 1.7 so maybe that's the cutoff. Taz, have you tried a smoketech 1.7 on these?

or Cigarman, can you try one making sure it measures properly first?

 

[Charlz]

edit: duplicate post

(wish there was a delete button for these type of accidental posts)

 

[Charlz]

So I've been on this carto I rinsed in apple cider vinegar since 10:00. Typical issues from the start. Filled up a couple hours before hand and it took awhile to get good vapor. At first the cider taste was there but it wasn't any worse than tasting the crappy high proof vodka I taste in freshly washed cartos. Flavor was really muted and TH was really rough at first. I read that vinegar does this. As the day wears on, flavor is coming back and I can no longer taste the vinegar.
Draw is a little tight but I think that's more from the couple of tumbles I gave it in the dryer before deciding it was a bad idea.

the verdict is that if you have vaped your carto till the coil is really gunked and clogged, it does a good job of cleaning it off. Next time I will do a few more flushes with distilled water, replacing the hot water a couple of times

For those that rinsing in vodka is an option, I would definitely soak and rinse in vodka to remove as much vinegar as possible.

Side effects: clearing my throat and a runny nose. That's not a bad thing. I have sinus problems in the winter. It's really clearing me out!

 

[JimmyJet]

The Echo-E battery won't fire anything under 2ohms, that is the problem unfortunately.

This topic is often a source of confusion. Is an Echo-E battery different than a 510 eGo battery? Is it a different animal?

 

[Charlz]

Consider it Hangsen's version of the Riva or Kgo. Comes off the charger at higher volts and isn't regulated to lower volts like the ego is. With a twist apparently, that it likes to stay in the sweet spot my not allowing cartos that will draw too much power from it. For folks that like vaping in the 8 watt range on their 3.7v, better to get a Kgo or epower it seems.

For those that want to know what they are vaping at Electrical & Electronics, Ohm's Law, Formulas & Equations
plug in the volts and the ohms.

echo: 3.7v X 2.8= 4.8 watts. Hard to explain to some that I actually enjoy all day vaping at 5 watts. Seems crazy to some.
But the warmer the vape, the more you lose flavor.

Echo DCCs should be above the 7 watt range, but it just doesn't seem to be that much warmer. maybe I don't understand how to calculate dual coil resistance.

 

[Errol]

I've bought a few 510 Extension and usually they work quite well but on occasion with various adapters I've had the problem you are having. I find some wire, usually a paper clip, put it through the center hole of the adapter and cut it 1/32 to 1/16" longer than the center post. That will make sure you are making contact between you bat and carto. It is only a trouble shooting solution to let you know where your problem is.

Mad vapes is currently out of stock for the 510 Shorty Extension with the hole in the center but you can probably find it somewhere else.

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Errol

 

[Religion]

I just received some dual coil echomizers, and so far I am underwhelmed. I love the single coils and certainly love the 2nd gen 808 cartomizers. So what's the deal? These are almost as bad as my first mini 501 sticks. They get warmer, but produce less vapor and the flavor seems muted. I'll try a few more cartomizers Justin Case it was a few semi-duds.
So my big question is this, has anyone switched to dual coils permanently and would never switch back to single coils? If so, why?

 

[Goldenkobold]

I use both but mainly the dual coils but my experience was not less vapor if anything slightly more vapor...and a warmer somewhat fuller flavor. Where did yours come from so I don't go there ?

 

[JimmyJet]

Consider it Hangsen's version of the Riva or Kgo. Comes off the charger at higher volts and isn't regulated to lower volts like the ego is. With a twist apparently, that it likes to stay in the sweet spot my not allowing cartos that will draw too much power from it.

Ah, that makes perfect sense now. Thanks Charlz. Sure is hard keeping up with all the little details these days.

 

[Charlz]

seems to be the puzzler there. I feel DCCs are overrated anyway- burns through more juice but not much else is gained. Give me a Lr carto anyday form more heat and flavor than a DCC. Again, these cartos really need time to sit to jet the juices flowing. Takes about half a day to really "season" these baby's. They don't perform in their prime right from the box. Over saturation and a morning of puffing on them really get's the echomizers at their prime.

As to why the DCC echos aren't fantabulously better than the single coils? Eh....who knows?

 

[SaraBee]

I just received some dual coil echomizers, and so far I am underwhelmed. I love the single coils and certainly love the 2nd gen 808 cartomizers. So what's the deal? These are almost as bad as my first mini 501 sticks. They get warmer, but produce less vapor and the flavor seems muted. I'll try a few more cartomizers Justin Case it was a few semi-duds.
So my big question is this, has anyone switched to dual coils permanently and would never switch back to single coils? If so, why?

I like my DC because they seem to give me a warmer vape. I also get more TH which is great since I'm on low nic juice.

 

[txtumbleweed]

I like both and thought the duals produced a little more vapor. I have only used a few of the duals being as I had a huge supply of singles and I'm very happy with them. I got the duals mixed with my regulars and being as there isn't anyway to tell by looking at them I wasn't able to make a very good comparison. I have at least another year before I have to buy more so by then I'll make the decision on which to choose.

 

[Los Marauder]

May be just in my brain but seems the single coils last longer.

 

[Charlz]

Inserting a toothpick in the center hole is the best way to tell them apart. If it goes down a ways, its a single coil. If something gets in the way it's a dual, but um....ignorance is bliss, huh? Just vape the darn things and let's be happy!

 

[Charlz]

I just wanted to update here on my cider cleaned carto. It's been back up an vaping great for a couple hours. No bad or muted taste and vapor production is very good. Only thing is, I forgot to swap out the whistle tip for a more open round tip while chain vaping it, and I it's getting a little suggish from condensation sopping up the filler a little. I'm going to give it a rest and let it air out a little and try to get my other cleaned carto up and running. Success! (and my sinuses are clear for the first time in months!)

 

[Cigarman]

seems to be a built in safety feature on both the echo and echo-e. Like charging it slowly. Manufacturer really wants us not to do anything that could damage the batteries. Again, contact Swedishfish on the forums. She claims to use both DCCs and LR on her echo-e

It is slightly odd. My echo DCCs measure 1.7 so maybe that's the cutoff. Taz, have you tried a smoketech 1.7 on these?

or Cigarman, can you try one making sure it measures properly first?

The Echo-E dual coil measures right at 2.1 ohms, just did some checking. I just put my Vision Stone tank which measures 1.9 ohms on the Echo-E and it won't fire, but using an 510-808 adapter it fires fine on the Echo battery. I wouldn't recommend running this tank on an auto battery though, I was just curious if it would work.

 

[JimmyJet]

Inserting a toothpick in the center hole is the best way to tell them apart. If it goes down a ways, its a single coil. If something gets in the way it's a dual, but um....ignorance is bliss, huh? Just vape the darn things and let's be happy!

Naw, I found a better way to tell them apart. Stick the carto in your ear and tap it with a tuning fork. The dual-coils have a harmonic resonance that the single-coils do not. Tex, give it a try and report back to us.