The Erlkönigin vs The Squape R?

[Shel]

So there appears to be two very high end rebuildable tank attys either that have already hit the market, or are about to.

I'm really torn between the two.

The Erlkönigin:
...love the lightweight of the device! I also like the looks. I like the looks of the device with a stainless steel tank as well, which is an additional charge.

The one small negative on the Erlkönigin, in my opinion, is that the air flow control requires that you remove the tank from your battery to make changes. Typically, you set the air flow control and forget it, but I'd still prefer if you could make changes on the fly.

Seems to be amazingly well engineered!

The Squape R:
...also looks really nice! On the positive side, it can be purchased with replacement decks, and the air flow control can be changed without removing the tank from your battery. Also can be purchased in other colors, such as black, blue and (I believe) a red color. Swiss made, it seems to be amazingly well crafted! Non conductive deck.

Negatives: Seems on the heavy side, and filling juice between the chimney and the tank still seems like a small hassle, as it was on the original Squape. Not much room between the tank and the chimney, so you either have to use a syringe, or fill it very slowly.

Anyone else considering these two tanks?

Curious what other people's thoughts are, who are considering these two... at about $180 each, I'm not ready to get both!

 

[SINphul]

On the fence with these two as well. Out of the two, I prefer the look of the Squape R over the Erl, but neither is terribly good looking in my opinion.

Based on reviews here, everyone seems very happy with the performance of the Erl, so I need to see reviews for the Squape R before I can decide. Here's a link to one of the first English reviews for the Squape R:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jwLFYocv3rE&feature=youtu.be

 

[Loopy1224]

Love my Erl. Once i got the wicking right it worked like a charm. Easy build, so easy to fill and holds a ton of juice for a small device. Really well designed and machined


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[nasca]

I'm keeping an eye on the squape 2...

 

[derogg]

Might as well add the Ruzgar to that list. All three seem very similar.
- Dirk

 

[SINphul]

Ruzgar had no AFC and less capacity than the Squape R and the Erl, unfortunately. I was stoked about it till I found out. It also cost about just as much, despite its lack of features. I'd pass on it :/

 

[Drumonron]

I vote for one of each...that's what I'm getting.

I have an Erlkonigin but...

I bet squape Reloaded sell out before I get one.

 

[Coldrake]

The Erlkönigin hands down. The easy no screw top fill and the ability to lay whatever you wrap your coil on in the raised wick channels while attaching your coil is what sold me. Plus the nano kit which is coming out in a few weeks.

 

[SteamHead]

Awesome thread, both of these are very cool and I'm interested to see a comparison, especially where airflow is concerned. I wonder which one will be able to blow bigger clouds?

The Erlkönigin hands down. ... and the ability to lay whatever you wrap your coil on in the raised wick channels while attaching your coil is what sold me.

Kinda weird to say that before the Squape is even released And you can do that ^ with the Squape as well.

 

[SINphul]

Kinda weird to say that before the Squape is even released And you can do that ^ with the Squape as well.

Yeah, the non-conductive, swappable decks is very interesting on the Squape R. And I like that the AFC locks in with a ball bearing. I've been talking to the manufacturers on Facebook, and they mentioned that they will also be coming out with a full stainless tank section for a windowless look (which is how I like my tanks). Unless it gets bad reviews, I think I'm sold.

The Erl's features are very impressive, but I just can't get over the looks (as shallow as that is of me). The finish, the logo and the need for a drip tip adapter just turn me right off

 

[SteamHead]

The Erl's features are very impressive, but I just can't get over the looks (as shallow as that is of me). The finish, the logo and the need for a drip tip adapter just turn me right off

I hear ya. Filling on the go is a major plus for the Erl, and the weight is something I think is pretty big (31g vs 79g!). If I go with the Erl I think I'd polish the 22mm tank and copper plate it. Should look pretty fly.

 

[Drumonron]

I say one of each because each have there unique merits.

The Erlklonigin, I own, and know that the airflow will not be beat, the ease of refill, the finish, materials and craftmanship...2nd to none, holds 6ml or more-you can get bigger tanks or smaller....nano is coming.

The Squape R, of course I could not own(couldn't own the original either), the airflow looks good but clumsy and old school next to the ERL's AFC wheel, The design(.... ugly but to each their own), ematal-I like and this is definitely a pro, the ability to fiddle and diddle with the build without emptying the contents-big plus...now I gotta find out how to fill this thing?...holds 5ml...still looking for how you fill this thing.

Okay saw this and read

Negatives: Seems on the heavy side, and filling juice between the chimney and the tank still seems like a small hassle, as it was on the original Squape. Not much room between the tank and the chimney, so you either have to use a syringe, or fill it very slowly.

Never mind...I'm out...how the heck? Never would I pay what will probably be more than 150 for this and be forced to fill it between the tank and chimney...you gotta be kidding me. Can you imagine? Months spent in the redesign and they couldn't figure out how to engineer a fill cap like the Erl? If I bought the Squape R, I'd be taking a huge step backwards.

I'm not putting it down, I'm just disappointed. I would've thought that the first thing they RELOADED was how to fill the DARN thing...c'mon...do they even vape ovuh there?

I'll wait for the Squape Reloaded Reloaded again.


WINNER: The Erlklonigin .... for me!

 

[Shel]

WINNER: The Erlklonigin .... for me!

Yup!

Seems like a no brainer!

However, the Erlkonigin does only come stock with a clear (glass?) tank, no stainless steel tank included. and if you do get the stainless steel tank, there seems to be no way to view how much juice remains in your tank. I've never liked solid stainless steel tanks... I don't personally want to have to open up my tank, just to see how much juice is remaining, but that's my personal preference....

It also only has a cheap, delrin drip tip, whereas the Squape R comes with a stainless steel drip tip, with very nice engravings as well!

Oh... and the air flow control?

I've read numerous posts from Erl owners, saying they've simply removed the air flow ring on the bottom (which, by the way, can only be controlled by removing the tank from your mech), implying that there ins't enough air for their particular taste without removing the air flow ring completely, and making it wide open... the Squape R comes with an air flow control with ball bearing, which, while similar to the Nautilus, does allow changing of airflow without removing the tank from your device, as well as having holes from .9 to 3.1mm in size... not sure how large the largest air hole for the Erl is....

Squape has ematal deck, which is non-conductive. Owners of the original Squape say that this makes building the deck very easy... no need to worry about shorts. Again, I'm not sure if the Erl has a non-conductive deck or not... this could be a feature they both share.

It also has three different decks, for different types of builds. It is more money, but it's an option.

Stock Erl is 21mm, I believe. Most devices are 22mm... again, you can purchase a replacement tank to make it fit your tube mod, but it's an additional cost. Some people (myself included) don't care that much if there's a small over or underhang between tank and tube mod, but some people do object.

Oh... and when you want or need to rebuild, not sure, but can you rebuild the Erl without having to remove all of your remaining juice? If you do need to remove it, how do you remove it without making a mess? Syringe, or is there another way?

Being able to simply remove the base from the Squape, set the top aside with all of your remaining juice still in it, and either rewick, or rebuild your coil, then simply screw the tank back on without the muss and fuss of emptying it is a big advantage, in my opinion. Again, I'm not sure if the Erl can also do this, perhaps it can.

The Erlkonigin looks to be amazing, but somehow, spending that kind of money, and then having to spend additional money to get a stainless steel tank, or a stainless steel drip tip kind of bothers me.....

Just saying, they both look great, but they both have their pluses and minuses.....

 

[derogg]

You would think someone would combine all the best features of each one making the utlimate mod. It really is a tough choice because of the pros and cons each one has. I guess I will wait till more people use them to see what the "real" world has to say about the pros and cons.
- Dirk

 

[nasca]

I'm also waiting on the Atmizoo Wave: Wave | atmizoo vaping modware

still in beta, but I'm hearing chatter of a summer release.

sneak preview (atomizer on the left, AFC shown): Instagram

I'm fairly content with my Kayfun, so I'm in no rush to replace it. And when I do, it has to be a solid upgrade that performs and looks great. I have an Atmizoo Lab, so a matching Atmizoo atomizer would be awesome.

 

[Shel]

Here's another video review of the Squape R, for those interested....

 

[IceCreamMan]

Having only used the original, all I know is they better have redesigned the whole thing if its going come anywhere close to the Erl. Just going by the fact they still have not addressed the PITA filling problem I really do not have much faith in any the other "improvements" that have been made.

& just how dang tall is that thing anyway?..??.. It looks taller than a Kayfun 3.1.... gotta be more top heavy than an Obama bobblehead.



I will be waiting quite a while for mucho hands on from people other than the youtube video profiteers to be the judge before I'm giving it a go.

 

[Shel]

Having only used the original, all I know is they better have redesigned the whole thing if its going come anywhere close to the Erl. Just going by the fact they still have not addressed the PITA filling problem I really do not have much faith in any the other "improvements" that have been made.

& just how dang tall is that thing anyway?..??..

I hear what you're saying about filling it... it's not the easiest.

However, unless I'm missing something, with the Erl I'd need a syringe to drain it every time I want to re-wick or replace the coil, unless I happen to time it right when the tank is empty.

As for the height, I saw a photo of the Squape R along side a Kayfun Lite +, a Russian 91 and another atty, and it wasn't the smallest, but it also wasn't the largest. They've also said they'll be coming out with a smaller tank option soon.

Love the easy way to fill the Erl, but wish you could rebuild it easily without having to empty the tank.

Love how easy it is to rebuild/rewick the Squape, but wish it was easier to fill it.

Still have an issue spending roughly $170 on a tank that doesn't come with a stainless steel tank, or at a minimum, a glass tank for that kind of money! And how 'bout a decent drip tip??? Seriously, for a buck seventy?!?

Everyone that owns the earlier version of the Squape say how it's one of the easiest attys to build, and having non-conductive base makes it that much easier.

While some on here seem to feel the choice is an easy one, BOTH of these devices appeal to me, and have positives and negatives!

Great to have choices!

 

[Omzilla86]

The tank is glass on the squape r

 

[blueGrassTubb]

I just stick with my Kayfuns.

Until these other atties come up with a way to make them smaller (via a nano drop kit of some kind), it's all Kayfun for me.