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I apologize because it's been asked over and over, but every other search I do says something different. Are the ncr18650pd OK to use in my Svd and in my mech as long as I watch the 10a limit? I couldn't find a conclusive answer so I just said heck with it and ordered some from FT.
The NCR18650PD is recommended much more often because it's a safer chemistry battery than the other NCR batts. The NCR-A and NCR-B are li-ion, which can overcharge and become dangerous. That's why if you get a li-ion, it's important to get them protected, because they can blow up during a thermal runaway instead of vent like the safer chemisty ones. The NCR-PD, CGR-CH, and other IMR batteries have a much higher amp limit too, and are recommended above li-ion for all PVs.
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Great, thank you. I was going to let my wife try them first just in case. Now, I probably still will, but i won't have to run away. Which is great because I hate running.
Haha, smart thinking. She'll also be less suspicious if your not running away or have a look of "let's see what happens" on your face
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I got a shipping notify on my juice and my drip tips today
My Red K100 and the IGO L should ship tomorrow (the K100 was ready to ship bit I had to wait a few days for the IGO L.)
YaY! I can't wait to get my Red lovely, lol
My Red K100 and the IGO L should ship tomorrow (the K100 was ready to ship bit I had to wait a few days for the IGO L.)
YaY! I can't wait to get my Red lovely, lol
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i love red. when you get it can you post a pic of the igo on top of the k100? I bought a igo l and want to see what it looks like ontop of the k100 thanksI got a shipping notify on my juice and my drip tips today
My Red K100 and the IGO L should ship tomorrow (the K100 was ready to ship bit I had to wait a few days for the IGO L.
YaY! I can't wait to get my Red lovely, lol
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So the NCR PDs I got from FT say Li-ion on them, so now I am moe confused....LOL. I have been using them with no issue but that does not mean anything. I use mainly 1.8 ohm coils with them but that does not mean one may not have a short at some point. I do always check them with an ohm reader to make sure all is well before using them in any device though. Let me link the PDs I have to make sure they are the same ones you are talking about
These are the ones I have
https://www.fasttech.com/p/1233700
I just posted a question earlier today about the NCR Bs and about got my head torn off saying it is not ok to use with mechs.... I was only asking as I was looking for back ups and was curious about them
Here is the discussion. Some of you may be ones that responded, but it just confuses me as there are so many opinions on what is "safe". Some say don't use protected on mechs and others say use nothing except
http://www.fasttech.com/forums/1345500/t/1019272/mech-mods
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thanks. do you happen to have a picture of the igo on top of the KTS? that is a KTS+ right?
SVD is a VV/VW. It has a 5a limit so you can't go over the battery's 10a limit.
NCR18650PD is OK to use but NCR18650B should get you more run time.
I have no idea why people are pushing the NCR18650PD for VV/VW based on the 10a limit when the highest any VV/VW I've heard of allows is 5a, and some are as low as 2.5a.
I have absolutely no idea where the part you've probably seen claiming enough of the NCR18650B's mah is unusable to make it a lower mah than the NCR18650PD comes from. They're claiming most users recharge higher than where the VV/VW tend to shut off and with their boost circuits it makes no sense to recharge early and the charts I saw to support the mah claims weren't even for the NCR18650B.
The problem with those claims is they're not based on any facts, only forum stuff that has been passed around as fact and jumbled up with each passing.
NCR18650A is a new chemistry, NNP.
http://industrial.panasonic.com/www-data/pdf2/ACA4000/ACA4000CE254.pdf
PANASONIC NCR18650A 18650 FREE Shipping from Florida, USA. 3100mAh Li-ion. Made in Japan. Made by Panasonic Li-ion 18650 battery cell
If you claim the A & B are Li-Ion because Panasonic has them under their Li-Ion header that's where the PD is too. Orbtronics has PD as Li-Ion NCR18650PD High Drain Panasonic 18650 2900 mAh Li-ion Battery free shipping from Florida with the meaningless "hybrid" thrown in. Everything else I've seen has been people on assorted battery forums making guesses as to the actual chemistry of hybrids.
Except for NCR18650A we really don't know the chemistry of the NCRs from anything I've been able to find pouring through Panasonic's site and following claims backed up with links to Panasonic. They're often known as hybrids but some are confused as to what that means, without the chemistry listed it means it's a "safer" battery like an IMR but not Li-Mn. I'm thinking it's the HRL that is making these batteries "hybrid" and considered "safer chemistry" in spite of what the chemistry is.
The problem with NCR18650A is I can't find hard data on the amp limit. The way it reacts to a short as if it had a protection circuit, if it's too low it could make it worthless as far as ecigs are concerned. I've seen claims of 8a, I've seen clams of 3a. They should at least be OK for a VV/VW with a 2.5a limit, I've heard of people using them in a Vamo but I don't know the Vamo's lowest amp requirement.
I will be trying them next just to see. Worst case I end up using them in my eVics.
So far to my limited actual user testing the NCR18650B is the longest lasting battery for VV/VW. I ask you, have you actually tested them side by side in a VV/VW?
From what I've seen the NCR18650A may be the safest battery, safter than CGR and IMR, although I'm not sure if it will do everything that may be asked of it because it's amp limit has it acting like a protected battery.
We're talking about VV/VW here where the protection is in the mod. You're giving mixed and dated information for mech and variable.
From what I've been picking up is all the NCRs have HRL making it very unlikly they'll go into thermal runaway.
If you have some facts from Panasonic as to the actual chemistry I'd welcome a link.
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There are 2 separate conversations here, so I'll only reply to where you quoted me. I'm simply looking for something I can use in both my vv and my mech. 2 birds, 1 stone. I realize I could find something longer lasting for the vv, but if I'm buying batteries I'd prefer to use them in both. My first choice was the AW 18650s, but if I can get these at half the cost....
Edit: and of course I quoted the wrong part....
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Panasonic doesn't seem to be saying what the chemistry is beyond classifying their batteries (that concern us) as Li-Ion. CGR also says Li-Ion and I'm fairly sure that one is not Li-Ion chemistry, best I can find is it's Li-Co or an actual hybrid of Li-Ion and Li-Mn.
I'm not sure if the NCR-B's are OK to use in mechs.
You should use some kind of protection on mechs. Whether that protection is in the form of a cut off circuit or safe chemistry like Li-Mn.
The real question about the Bs is if they are "safer". That I do not know.
I just know for a VV/VW with the protection built into the mod the NCR-B's last longer than the NCR-PD, their amp limit is above the highest I've seen in VV/VW and they are safe for them (if they're not safe in a protected mod Joyetech is looking at some lawsuits because it's one they sell for the eVic).
For mechs the CGRs are supposed to be like IMR so they are "safer".
If I'm right about the NCRs they all have HRL and that is what makes them "safer" but I wouldn't bet my life on that.
Technology is moving too fast and people aren't keeping up. This is why you are seeing mixed claims. It doesn't help that Panasonic isn't clear about their batteries (I also don't like that a Panasonic with a protection circuit is the same number as the unprotected version and you have to compare lengths).
Thanks for the ino, for now I will stick with the NCR PDs I linked above. They also have the button top ones now I think so I may try those as well but they are still labeled as NCR PDs. It is all very confusing to me no matter how much I read the battery university info and reviews and opinions. Just not my niche no matter how hard I try. So far though so good. I don't use sub ohms and I never feel my battery getting hot but then again you throw in the possible short of a coil and everything could go to hell. I will always check all coils prior to putting them in a mech anyway but still not sure if it makes me feel any better
I would go with CGR18650CH if run time isn't a concern. I'd do that only because of the claim they're the same as AW IMR as far as safety.
I know they work in a Vamo pushed pretty high (I'm pretty sure I ran them with dual coil, 1.4ohm, 12w, I know I've had them there with single coils at those ohms) and gives satisfactory run time.
As far as the NCR-PD and mechs go, I don't have a mech but mech people seem to be happy with them. Just from the numbers I've seen I wouldn't expect the NCR-PD to blow the CGR-CH out of the water as far as run time. You'd get a little better run time but nothing to blow your socks off and CGR is a little cheaper.
Yeah, they say Li-ion on them because ALL these batts, whether Li-CoO2, Li-Mn, or Li-FePo4, are technically Li-ion. However, when saying Li-ion it's usually referring to the Li-CoO2 (aka Li-Co) which are available in protected and unprotected. You never want to use the unprotected Li-ion (Li-Co) in APVs, if you do choose to use them (which many of us don't) it's important to use the protected version. I choose not to use protected Li-Co batts because if the protection built into the battery fails, your left with an unprotected Li-Co.
The safer chemistry batteries are also Li-ion, but aren't protected because the chemistry is safer. Those include IMRs, which are Li-Mn. These are the safest to use. Then we have the CGR-CH and NCR-PD, which are said to contain a hybrid chemistry which acts more like IMR than Li-Co, as far as having a higher amp limit and when they fail, they don't do so as violently thas Li-Co.
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