Why wont they work? Please explain more. If not then i will just pop these into my eVic. What batt would i need for this to work? Thanks.
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Why wont they work? Please explain more. If not then i will just pop these into my eVic. What batt would i need for this to work? Thanks.
Thy wont work as good in the Evic either,VV/WW mods already have battery protection built into them,use safe chemistry batts.
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The Innokin iTaste SVD - Vape Squad
I use the same batteries but protected button tops and they just work, after reading the vapesquad review the ones he posted should also work fine.
Read this thread,ICR protected batts work but not as good as IMR batts:
There are two types of ICR batteries out there. Some are protected, others are not. Unprotected ICR batteries should never be used in e-cigarettes. Protected ICR are OK in lower wattage single cell devices but can't provide sufficient current to safely operate variable voltage or wattage devices.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...sion/452688-what-heck-going-my-batteries.html
READ:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...9007-warning-rechargeable-batteries-apvs.html
Because the protection circuit on a protected Li-ion battery can fail, an Li-Mn or good-quality Li-FePo4 is intrinsically safer.
Please note that 'safety' is relative, when discussing lithium ion cells (rechargeable lithium batteries), as they are all potentially dangerous (for different reasons). For example, safer-chemistry cells such as Li-Mn are unlikely to explode (although a gas-tight container might do so if the battery is abused and fails with outgas); but due to their high power they can supply tens of amps in a short-circuit/dead-short situation - some safer-chemistry batteries can supply as much as 70 amps of current. ECF believes that the primary danger to be avoided if possible is that of explosion, which may be in the face of the user since faulty cells tend to fail on first high-load demand after charging. However this does not remove the problem of fires caused by high-current discharge if shorted out, and in fact it may increase the chance of this happening as safer batteries can supply more current.
There are two types of ICR batteries out there. Some are protected, others are not. Unprotected ICR batteries should never be used in e-cigarettes. Protected ICR are OK in lower wattage single cell devices but can't provide sufficient current to safely operate variable voltage or wattage devices.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...sion/452688-what-heck-going-my-batteries.html
READ:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...9007-warning-rechargeable-batteries-apvs.html
Because the protection circuit on a protected Li-ion battery can fail, an Li-Mn or good-quality Li-FePo4 is intrinsically safer.
Please note that 'safety' is relative, when discussing lithium ion cells (rechargeable lithium batteries), as they are all potentially dangerous (for different reasons). For example, safer-chemistry cells such as Li-Mn are unlikely to explode (although a gas-tight container might do so if the battery is abused and fails with outgas); but due to their high power they can supply tens of amps in a short-circuit/dead-short situation - some safer-chemistry batteries can supply as much as 70 amps of current. ECF believes that the primary danger to be avoided if possible is that of explosion, which may be in the face of the user since faulty cells tend to fail on first high-load demand after charging. However this does not remove the problem of fires caused by high-current discharge if shorted out, and in fact it may increase the chance of this happening as safer batteries can supply more current.
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I'll relay my experience, the panasonics B work just fine with my SVD either in VV or VW. They last a LOT, i use the SVD with cartotanks and rda's all at ~2ohm in between 7 and 10w depending on the juice and the battery usually is at 3.7v after 10 hours of mid to heavy vaping.
OK, if you don't know what the hell you're talking about when it comes to batteries and mods stop trying to act like you do by parroting something that someone else who probably didn't know what the hell they were talking about said.
Someone was giving bad advice. Not dangerous advice but VERY BAD advice.
The NCR18650B's are the upgraded battery Joyetech officially sells for the eVic! You couldn't be more wrong.
Thanks Myk. It's what i been reading also. Would it be ok to use in the iTaste SVD? I figured they would work in both from what i been reading.
I ordered my itaste MVP 8 days ago, and it was in my mailbox today.
I think that's pretty damn good.
I think that's pretty damn good.
Easy Tex:
Im just saying IMR batts wOrk better are are safer than ICR batts,ICR batts can and do explode if the protection built in the batt fails,the IMRs wont...i am quoting from a thread wrtten by ECF staff.
Our advice is that the best and the safer choice of battery for APVs is the AW IMR Li-Mn rechargeable.
Because the protection circuit on a protected Li-ion battery can fail, an Li-Mn or good-quality Li-FePo4 is intrinsically safer.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ecf-library/129569-rechargeable-batteries.html
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So, has no one tried one of the VV/VW PVs from FT that's also a flashlight (sku 1400600)?
Ummm...I don't want to start a flame war here, but since this is regarding battery advice which can be a potential hazard if you don't know what you are talking about...
That isn't what you were saying at all. I don't really want to get into it, but Myk is right, your battery advice is off and you should probably stop and take some time to learn up (theres a lot of info right here in this thread, right from Myk) before you continue giving it, since this can actually be a potential hazard to someone if they get the wrong info.
While we are on this topic, Myk, why don't you give a quick update post about these 4 batteries (as they seem to be the most popular) so everyone is informed and we have a good post to link back too?
Panasonic NCR18650B 3400mAh 18650
Panasonic NCR18650PD 2900mAh 18650
Panasonic CGR18650CH 2250mAh 18650
Sony US18650VTC3 1600 mAh18650
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I assume they have all the protection the other VV/VW type mods have. If so they should be as safe as you can expect with electronics and batteries.
puchox says they work in his SVD, I'd believe it.
No, you said,
Then you went on to include the eVic in that sweeping declaration, which I know for a fact is wrong since the exact batteries can be ordered from Joyetech specifically for the eVic.
How many times am I expected to correct this "IMR for all" crap before going over the edge? Or especially the "protected batteries for the mods that protected batteries won't work in" stuff?
I'm sorry but it's getting old.
The IMR for all crap is going around because of unprotected mechs and presently some people are pushing safety limits with them and sub-ohms and acting like everyone does it, being unsafe and thinking a battery is magically making their unsafe acts safe. Guess what, short an IMR and it gets very hot, it's not perfectly safe. A battery heating up to 235° is not safe and that is what IMRs do.
If you want to say IMR is SAFER I could live with that. It's when you outright lie and tell people the correct battery for a protected mod WON'T work to push IMR that I have a problem.
You have no understanding of what you read about ICRs in the thread you linked earlier. I called the guy on it and he corrected himself. Battery tech is changing, what was once correct is becoming not so correct.
Even if these were the old style standard Li-Ion odds are they would be reasonably safe in a protected mod. These mods are to the battery manufacturer's specs of having protection which is their requirement even for protected batteries. The mech mods that bring about all this battery paranoia are NOT, not even with IMR. So if you want to preach safety preach against mechs and preach even louder against sub-ohms.
Not that mechs and sub-ohm and IMR are automatically dangerous, but if we're going to condemn every battery but IMR in a protected mod we need to go after these others first.
We know very little about the Panasonic NCR series. Panasonic isn't saying because that's the best way to protect their ideas. Some of these NRC series batteries are equal and some are better than IMR even for mechs. I don't know if NCR-B is one of them but I know as far as protected mods go it is OK to use and it gives a very long life.
Your link has no mention of the new batteries that everyone says are OK (NCR-PD and CGR-CH), it is therefore outdated. And if you haven't noticed ECF goes overboard with their sticky warnings, I assume to avoid liability because it's from the UK. But I guess at least that explains why so many instant internet experts who read it think they should contradict both the battery manufacturers and the VV/VW mod manufacturers and claim you need IMR or protected for all mods.
Also read these parts of that link,
and
So tell me where do you think a mod with its own protection (safety features) that can only accept 1 large 18650 and using a modern 18650 who's amp limit tells you it's not the old style Li-Ion falls into place here?
I'm far from a battery expert.
I didn't even want to know about batteries a short while ago, I just wanted to know what would work in my Vamo and be done with it. I just got sick of all the stuff being said that contradicts itself or claims one thing but shows another and started trying to find answers from places other than forums.
NCR18650B is what you can buy as the official upgrade from Joyetech for the eVic. I don't know if it's safe outside of protected mods but it doesn't seem to have a problem in an eVic or a Vamo. A Joyetech dealer told me Joyetech told her it was protected so I'm assuming this is some kind of safer design because the one Joyetech sells does not have a protection circuit.
I don't know how hard I've pushed it in the Vamo but I imagine given where I like coils and watts it wouldn't have a problem even in a mech for me (not that that is my plan because I have CGRs which I know are ok for mechs). I got 550 puffs my first trip through with my eVic, that's over 100 more than I got with PD. 6a-6.4a (internet search, although I'm learning how to figure this out and can double check with Panasonic soon).
NCR18650PD everyone says they're OK so I'm assuming they're right. No problems in a Vamo or eVic. About 420 and 440 puffs with my eVic (same test subject settings as above). Going by what others say OK in a mech with sub ohm. 10a limit (going by what others have said, I haven't really searched it because I don't really push high amps so as long as it's over 5a I'm good).
CGR18650CH these are supposed to be a hybrid (whatever that means) and I've confirmed that on multiple forums (for whatever that's worth) and Orbtronics. Supposed to be equal to IMR. I average around 400 puffs in my eVic. 10a limit (Orbtronics).
No idea about Sony US18650VTC3.
I've been looking into NCR18650A and have some on order. According to Panasonic and Orbtronic they are a new chemistry, NNP, Nickle something New Platform. According to this set of videos if I had my choice of the NCR18650A, CGR18650CH or an IMR getting shorted out and going thermal in my pocket I think I'd take the NCR18650A.
Callies Kustoms IMR Battery and AW short circuit observations - YouTube
cgr18650ch.wmv - YouTube
Callies Kustoms 3100mAh Panasonic 18650 batteries on sale now! - YouTube
I may be using these in a mech although I'll probably be sitting on my porch the first time (I want a mech to oxidize mesh so I'll be pushing possible near short situations) just in case some funny business was going on with the video. Will I test those video claims? I say no, but if I do I'll have to design a safer way to short them and will video it. If the video is right whatever is going on acts like a protection circuit because it doesn't allow the battery to drain as much as it should've in an hour.
Amp limit should be at least 6.2a, possibly 8a (assorted sellers and forum claims).
I get under the impression that all the NCRs have Heat Resistant Layer protection and about the time I'm convinced I find a forum post from someone who seems to know what they're talking about saying the B doesn't. About the only thing conclusive I have found is that other than the A Panasonic isn't saying what they are and that at least some of them have HRL and that is where at least some of their safety comes from, they're unlikely to go into a thermal meltdown where a short causes heat which causes internal shorts and it keeps building.
Bummer... it appears FT is holding up everything for iclear 16's.
Estimated ship date is now 08/16. Huge bummer...
Estimated ship date is now 08/16. Huge bummer...
Well, after having had a few minor glitches with FT orders that were amicably resolved I finally got stuffed on one that never got delivered! FT's response, after having initially agreed to reship the order, is now 'TS'; it ain't our problem! So, we'll see how PayPal works out in resolving the issue!
You can get that same Nitecore-i4 on FT for $18.43 with code "BLF" ;o)
The Nitecore-i2 is $14.30 with the same code
Once again,(Myk knows what I'm talking about ;P) This 5% off code(BLF) works on all chargers, batteries, and flashlights you have in your order
If you don't need the iClears and want it to ship sooner you can cancel that item for in store credit. It will then ship. I had a 10 ml bottle of liquid holding up my shipment for 5 days. I got a buck 50 in store credit and it shipped next day.
Day # 6 and my "ships next day" order still hasn't left Hong Kong. My "Ships in 4 days" order is right on it's tail. I'm very disappointed.
I know I know....I'm the first one that says" Expect it to take a while"," don't panic" blah blah blah. I separated my orders for a reason!
I know I know....I'm the first one that says" Expect it to take a while"," don't panic" blah blah blah.
I separated my orders for a reason!
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Day # 6 and my "ships next day" order still hasn't left Hong Kong. My "Ships in 4 days" order is right on it's tail. I'm very disappointed.
I know I know....I'm the first one that says" Expect it to take a while"," don't panic" blah blah blah.
I have one that has had all 3 items showing as "ready to ship" for like 2 days now ... but my other 2 orders went out quickly. I get the feeling they're just swamped right now...
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