The FDA Has Truly Gone Tyrannical
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Been saying that for years..
Can we please just have the end now?
That's very true about e-cigs, but the astonishing thing about this story is that General Mills' claims about Cheerios are NOT unsubstantiated. As someone else pointed out, the science behind these health claims is proven. Makes me wonder what they're really up to.
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Fortunately there is no mention of the FDA in the hippocratic oath.
First, do no harm, second, obey the FDA.
I will continue to recommend e cigs (and cheerios) to the appropriate patients in my practice.
First, do no harm, second, obey the FDA.
I will continue to recommend e cigs (and cheerios) to the appropriate patients in my practice.
It's sad really...
gen pop ( the people) has been sterilized over the last 30 years or so. Hearded like sheep to accept what is given/governed.
sadly there are many that will stop eating Cherios because of just the thought of it now under scrutiny from the FDA.
if any of you have children in the current school system u will notice the "new" way of educating our young. Some good, some makes you scratch your head as a parent... "What was wrong with the old way, I turned out ok"
Anyhow I don't have the time to get into the dirty part of all of this...
Bottom line...
The people can not roll over and die.
gen pop ( the people) has been sterilized over the last 30 years or so. Hearded like sheep to accept what is given/governed.
sadly there are many that will stop eating Cherios because of just the thought of it now under scrutiny from the FDA.
if any of you have children in the current school system u will notice the "new" way of educating our young. Some good, some makes you scratch your head as a parent... "What was wrong with the old way, I turned out ok"
Anyhow I don't have the time to get into the dirty part of all of this...
Bottom line...
The people can not roll over and die.
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haha I can imagine it already
(12 year old kid) "Dude!! wanna go smoke some cheerios!!!???"
(12 year old kid) "Dude!! wanna go smoke some cheerios!!!???"
Just to show you how bad FDA is. I lost my 6 yr old hearing/signal assistance dog (pictured on the left) to Rimadyl a year ago. Her name was Shane. I took her in for her shoulder limp. She died three days after she was given this drug, Rimadyl. It has killed many dogs and owners have been fighting FDA to remove it from the market. They won't. It's money. It was marketed for humans, but found unsafe so given to dogs! FDA has my case # and I have been fighting them and its maker, Pfizer, on this one. Info. of how many dogs have died aren't reported accurately.
I can't yet post a link, but I am going to paste some info here.
Rimadyl: Most Arthritic Dogs Do Very Well On This Pill, Except Ones That Die
Wall Street Journal Staff Reporter - by Chris Adams
You might call it a made-for-TV drug. Approved for human use in the U.S. but not marketed that way, an arthritis medicine called Rimadyl
languished for nearly 10 years in developmental limbo, then emerged in a surprising new form. Instead of a human drug, it was now a drug for arthritic dogs. And it became a hit. With the aid of slick commercials featuring once-lame dogs bounding happily about, Rimadyl changed the way veterinarians treated dogs. Clients would walk in and say, 'What about this Rimadyl?' " says George Siemering, who practices in Springfield, VA.
Today, those TV spots are gone. The reason has to do with dogs like Montana. A six-year-old Siberian husky with stiff back legs, Montana hobbled out of a vet's office in Brooklyn, N.Y., six months ago accompanied by his human, Angela Giglio, and a supply of Rimadyl pills. At first, the drug appeared to work. But then Montana lost his appetite. He went limp, wobbling instead of walking. Finally he didn't walk at all. He ate leaves, vomited and had seizures and, eventually was put to sleep. An autopsy showed the sort of liver damage associated with a bad drug reaction. Pet drugs are big business; an estimated $3 billion world-wide and Rimadyl is one of the bestsellers. It has been given to more than four million dogs in the U.S. and more abroad, brought Pfizer Inc. tens of millions of dollars in sales, and pleased many veterinarians and dog owners.
But the drug has also stirred a controversy, with other pet owners complaining that nobody warned them of its risks. Montana's owner, Ms. Giglio, is among them. After she informed Pfizer and the Food and Drug Administration of her relatively youthful dog's death, Pfizer offered her $440 "as a gesture of good will" and to cover part of the medical costs. Insulted by the offer and a stipulation that she agree to tell no one about the payment except her tax preparers. She refused to sign and didn't take the money. "There's just no way in my conscience or heart I can release them from blame," she says.
After reports of bad reactions and deaths started streaming in to the FDA, the agency suggested that Pfizer mention "death" as a possible side effect in a warning letter to vets, on labels and in TV ads. Pfizer eventually did use the word with vets and on labels, but when given an ultimatum about the commercials mention "death" in the audio or end the ads -- Pfizer chose to drop them. Pfizer's director of animal-products technical services, Edward W. Kanara, says that when reports started coming in, "we acted extremely promptly based on the information we had." Pfizer points out that reported adverse events involve less than 1% of treated dogs.
Since Rimadyl's 1997 launch, the FDA has received reports of about 1,000 dogs that died or were put to sleep and 7,000 more that had bad reactions after taking the drug, records and official estimates indicate. The FDA says such events are significantly underreported. While the numbers include cases "possibly" related to Rimadyl, it is hard to be sure. Many dogs given the arthritis drug are older, and few are autopsied after they die. Pfizer says it analyzed cases of Rimadyl-treated dogs that died in 1998 and found a link to Rimadyl to be "likely" in 12% of cases and "not likely" in 22%; it says there was too little information for a judgment about the others.
Rimadyl Still Approved
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Additional Information: The Senior Dogs Project, Rimadyl Alternative
I can't yet post a link, but I am going to paste some info here.
Rimadyl: Most Arthritic Dogs Do Very Well On This Pill, Except Ones That Die
Wall Street Journal Staff Reporter - by Chris Adams
You might call it a made-for-TV drug. Approved for human use in the U.S. but not marketed that way, an arthritis medicine called Rimadyl
languished for nearly 10 years in developmental limbo, then emerged in a surprising new form. Instead of a human drug, it was now a drug for arthritic dogs. And it became a hit. With the aid of slick commercials featuring once-lame dogs bounding happily about, Rimadyl changed the way veterinarians treated dogs. Clients would walk in and say, 'What about this Rimadyl?' " says George Siemering, who practices in Springfield, VA.
Today, those TV spots are gone. The reason has to do with dogs like Montana. A six-year-old Siberian husky with stiff back legs, Montana hobbled out of a vet's office in Brooklyn, N.Y., six months ago accompanied by his human, Angela Giglio, and a supply of Rimadyl pills. At first, the drug appeared to work. But then Montana lost his appetite. He went limp, wobbling instead of walking. Finally he didn't walk at all. He ate leaves, vomited and had seizures and, eventually was put to sleep. An autopsy showed the sort of liver damage associated with a bad drug reaction. Pet drugs are big business; an estimated $3 billion world-wide and Rimadyl is one of the bestsellers. It has been given to more than four million dogs in the U.S. and more abroad, brought Pfizer Inc. tens of millions of dollars in sales, and pleased many veterinarians and dog owners.
But the drug has also stirred a controversy, with other pet owners complaining that nobody warned them of its risks. Montana's owner, Ms. Giglio, is among them. After she informed Pfizer and the Food and Drug Administration of her relatively youthful dog's death, Pfizer offered her $440 "as a gesture of good will" and to cover part of the medical costs. Insulted by the offer and a stipulation that she agree to tell no one about the payment except her tax preparers. She refused to sign and didn't take the money. "There's just no way in my conscience or heart I can release them from blame," she says.
After reports of bad reactions and deaths started streaming in to the FDA, the agency suggested that Pfizer mention "death" as a possible side effect in a warning letter to vets, on labels and in TV ads. Pfizer eventually did use the word with vets and on labels, but when given an ultimatum about the commercials mention "death" in the audio or end the ads -- Pfizer chose to drop them. Pfizer's director of animal-products technical services, Edward W. Kanara, says that when reports started coming in, "we acted extremely promptly based on the information we had." Pfizer points out that reported adverse events involve less than 1% of treated dogs.
Since Rimadyl's 1997 launch, the FDA has received reports of about 1,000 dogs that died or were put to sleep and 7,000 more that had bad reactions after taking the drug, records and official estimates indicate. The FDA says such events are significantly underreported. While the numbers include cases "possibly" related to Rimadyl, it is hard to be sure. Many dogs given the arthritis drug are older, and few are autopsied after they die. Pfizer says it analyzed cases of Rimadyl-treated dogs that died in 1998 and found a link to Rimadyl to be "likely" in 12% of cases and "not likely" in 22%; it says there was too little information for a judgment about the others.
Rimadyl Still Approved
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Additional Information: The Senior Dogs Project, Rimadyl Alternative
THere's a funny conversation going on here FDA: Cheerios Should Be A Drug - 3dB about the FDA and Cheeios issues.
I like this line from there:
"I just had no idea my breakfast would be subject to a DEA raid...."
Some of these same people at the FDA used to munch on Smurf Berry Crunch as children...
God knows what was in that.
I loved that stuff
God knows what was in that.
I loved that stuff
LOL, I scuba, I started Diving in 1984. In 1985 I went into a local dive shop to get some tanks filled, and got taxed on the air. I laughed like crazy, they said yep they made us start taxing it.
I used to do Cheerios, but then I got hard core and started doing Sugar Smacks!
Lmao... Cheerios... Absolutely ridiculous. Let me guess. Next on the list is pure cane sugar? Apparently it makes you hyper and bounce of the walls and therefore it must be a drug. S&H is going down!
Aloha All!!! This is my first post on this forum, sadly because our FDA continues to undermine helpful products that people would be better off having. Being a huge fan of alternative medicine products I have seen the FDA almost always side with the "BIG" pharmaceutical companies in trying to shut down all competition. As for ecigs some have postulated that the FDA is in big tobacco's back pocket but I believe in reality its in big pharma's instead. Why? Because ecigs are a threat to "stop smoking aids" manufactered by these companies. If the ecig can gain any piece of the action from these products, big pharma will lose big money. I know a lot of you have quit smoking analogs and damn proud of it, as you should be, however this kind of "advertising" may be detrimental to all those that support the ecig. Success stories will make big pharma lose even more money and then they will take action using our FDA.
The powers to be at the FDA historically have ties with big pharma before being appointed and will return to big pharma after leaving the appointment. If you were in their shoes, would you behave any differently? I think not, as the financial rewards IMHO would be staggering.
Cheerio's got caught in big pharma's trap. When people began realizing positive results by eating this cereal thus reducing their dependence on cholesterol lowering drugs it was only a matter of time before the FDA under the direction of big pharma would step in.
Make no mistake, the FDA is synonymous with big pharma and it will always be. Unless the ecig ban in congress can be stopped and the courts rule that the FDA has no jurisdiction on the ecig, we all will likely lose perhaps one of the most beneficial products of this century.
The powers to be at the FDA historically have ties with big pharma before being appointed and will return to big pharma after leaving the appointment. If you were in their shoes, would you behave any differently? I think not, as the financial rewards IMHO would be staggering.
Cheerio's got caught in big pharma's trap. When people began realizing positive results by eating this cereal thus reducing their dependence on cholesterol lowering drugs it was only a matter of time before the FDA under the direction of big pharma would step in.
Make no mistake, the FDA is synonymous with big pharma and it will always be. Unless the ecig ban in congress can be stopped and the courts rule that the FDA has no jurisdiction on the ecig, we all will likely lose perhaps one of the most beneficial products of this century.
Somewhere in a dark alley...
"Just give me a dime bag of Cherrios and 10ml of e-juice. You know I'm good for it"
"Just give me a dime bag of Cherrios and 10ml of e-juice. You know I'm good for it"
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