The final countdown to August 8th - your FDA comments NEEDED

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dragonpuff

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Good for you! Let me just say this though: don't expect defeat. There's no reason for us to construct our own self fulfilling prophecy. You overcame it by acting but many will sit on their hands because they think we don't have a chance. It's that attitude that INSURES we don't have a chance. While campaigns like this often seem like an uphill, no-win situation we have to maintain a positive attitude. Folding our hand, becoming defeated, defaulting to the idea that big money and big business and big government trump the will of the people? That's EXACTLY what the pro-regulatory lobby WANTS us to do. Let's not give it to them.

^this!:toast: Absolutely!

The easiest way to control people is to take power and convince them that there is nothing they can do about it - don't ever believe that! There is always something you can do!
 

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what business is it of the FDA? e-juice isn't food. do they regulate tobacco or cigarettes, with their hundreds of added chemicals? is nicotine worse for you than caffeine, or is it that one associated with bad cigarettes and the other with good coffee? I KNOW nicotine is less harmful than alcohol, but then again, the FDA doesn't regulate that either. Maybe the ATF needs to become involved also? But wait, e-juice isn't tobacco, so no? I'm confused. I need the government to tell me what to do and what is right!!

Joking aside, I think that the US government has way more power that what is needed to keep a country governed. I KNOW that this, directly and indirectly, causes me (and others) a lot of stress, which makes me want to smoke, because of nicotine's relaxing effects. But instead of doing that, I get nicotine from a vaporizer, which causes, in turn, far less harm to myself and others, and is mostly done in my own home. But now they want to control that? Where will it end? I'm dead serious and we all need to start thinking about this: where will it end?

In the mean time, please submit your comments; thanks very much!!

It will never end. Please read my signature quote below (or whatever it's called.)
 

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I just put mine in and I wish I'd done it earlier and done several of them. I took a look at recent submissions and it appears that 70% start with the phrase; "As an adult consumer of premium cigars, ..... " from anonymous. Unless I'm looking at it wrong, there were only about 5-10 submissions from vapors TODAY. That's just wrong :facepalm: so very, very wrong!

I had a really tough time fitting even one viewpoint into a 5,000 word comment and I know I left out so much more. From what I could see, I don't think they are tracking IP addresses or preventing multiple submissions in anyway - so submit and resubmit until the cows come home or Aug 8th 11:59pm EST, which ever comes first.

P.S. I didn't see any anti-vaping submissions today :laugh: but there were some stupid ones like "it's my right" and nothing else. HUH? Maybe I'm preaching to the choir here but I think it needs to be done.

There's a delay. The comments are read (or at least scanned by a computer) first before they're posted. But if they follow the law, they must read every comment. So, please don't be discouraged.
 

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I'm in but surprised at the low numbers of Ecig participants. I just wanted my voice heard but, seriously believe it is a futile exercise. There are just too many
people in high places who want to regulate Ecigs from the tobacco industry to the progressive NO to any type of nicotine screamers. Lies and innuendo work
for them, the truth doesn't work for us.
 

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Well, I'm going to be realistic. FDA among other agencies have to make some type of regulations, due to the nicotine aspect of
the E-Liquid. They also want a cut of the profits. Yes these PV's have helped many, many kick the smoking habit, and have helped
a lot of people breathe easier; but the fact still remains....neither us nor them are certain of the long term effects of direct nicotine use,
which is kind of a concern. I just hope that all things are considered when reviewing our comments, and be fair with the final judgment.
 
Our government is getting so out of control its ridiculous. Of course I left my disdain for our governments decisions out of my comment but its really the root of the issue. I'm sure this fda bs is just a way to eventually monetize and tax ecigs further like other vices !! Not sure if anyone on here is into guns but we have been taking some pretty big hits there lately too. Pretty soon we won't have any rights left !!
 

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Good for you! Let me just say this though: don't expect defeat. There's no reason for us to construct our own self fulfilling prophecy. You overcame it by acting but many will sit on their hands because they think we don't have a chance. It's that attitude that INSURES we don't have a chance. While campaigns like this often seem like an uphill, no-win situation we have to maintain a positive attitude. Folding our hand, becoming defeated, defaulting to the idea that big money and big business and big government trump the will of the people? That's EXACTLY what the pro-regulatory lobby WANTS us to do. Let's not give it to them.

For the win!! Thank you! :headbang:
 

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I guess I'll be flamed for this, but I am not opposed to regulation over e-liquids. And yes, I realize it means there will be taxes to pay for the regulation. But I also hope healthy standards for e-juice are thoughtfully enacted, which will make the liquids as safe as possible. Now do I think they should target flavors. Of course not. Do I think they should govern the batteries and mods we use to heat the liquids. Nope. But ensuring that what I do inhale in my lungs is consistent and safe isn't really such a bad thing.

Flame me if you must, but I'm just being honest.
 

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... I just hope that all things are considered when reviewing our comments, and be fair with the final judgment.

The Key here is You Left a Comment for them to Review.

Because those that would like to see e-Cigarettes Wiped from the Face of the Earth, and have us All go Back to Smoking, they don't seem to have any Problems getting people to Leave Comments with the FDA.
 

Megan Kogijiki Ratchford

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Fantastic! So have I, and thanks to people like us e-cigarettes are a multi-billion dollar industry now. That's why even regulation won't stem the tide.

YUP! As I said in the closing of one of my submissions, "Folks the cows have all left the pasture, too late to close the gate now. You are heading into uncharted waters, here there be dragons and WE WILL NOT be silent!"
 
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