Misty--really would be good to have the Manufacturer Rep's involved--would only make sense to have everybody on board, but maybe that is not feasible for some reason????---Sun
The Future of ECigs
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Misty--really would be good to have the Manufacturer Rep's involved--would only make sense to have everybody on board, but maybe that is not feasible for some reason????---Sun
"The Manufacturers and Suppliers of electronic smoking in North America"
It's for North Americans, it's about smoking and concerned with electrically powered devices.
It doesn't sound inclusive, representative, or forward thinking, just the same old straitjacket problems.
It's great to hear that commercial interests are getting together and I fully support any effort to co-operate. Presenting this as innovation - the thread is called The Future of Ecigs - well, maybe I've become cynical with all the hype I've been exposed to.
Sorry for not being a happy bunny for you, ecigs might not have a future.
again I agree with Kate,
sounds like you want to be king of the castle,
you have excluded everyone else from playing
by your choice of name.
you may as well take your ball and go home,
you are not representing the majority of us here at ecf....
Di .......
try a new name
W orld
A lternative
S moking
O rganization
WASO
sounds better, inclusive of all nations, and all alternate devices.
but don't waste your time unless you have the major manufacturers onboard.
Di ......
W orld
A lternative
S moking
O rganization
WASO
sounds better, inclusive of all nations, and all alternate devices.
but don't waste your time unless you have the major manufacturers onboard.
Di ......
I think the manufacturers are too busy at the moment,
trying to find alternate ways to get the product out of china and into the rest of the world.....
have you noticed the huge shortage of product ????
and some products dissapearing altogether as the patents are starting to be enforced !!!!!
big brother Ruyan is stamping his foot !!!!!!!
Di ......
Yes I have noticed a lot of things, that is why manufacture reps might what to attend. I also noticed an ABC Reporter comming on here today to try to get information and an interview---so yes, I notice a lot of things---Sun
The idea here was opened up in the suppliers private forum, of which no-one here is privy too. It was offered to anyone and everyone who is a supplier who imports/manufactures. From there, the ones who responded happened to be in North America. Janty and TW would be represented there as well, so it isn't exclusive to NA.
But here is the deal folks, this is the first step. The very first step. We are trying to come together and develop a unified front. This isn't something that I just posted for sh*ts and giggles. We have been chatting, having phone conversations etc. We have been doing our best to move this forward and the first step is coming together to create a name for the association and the bylaws and what nots.
To keep things focused so there are not 200 resellers sitting around in a conference room, trying to be the "man on top", we have decided as a group that if you do not import your own goods, you cannot participate in the first meeting, where bylaws and rules and a board of directors will be decided.
So maybe North America was a bad choice of words. And Di - There is no castle here. No one is trying to be king. We are trying to come together and make some sense of the future of ecigs. If you take offense to it, become a supplier, import into your country and feel free to participate.
But here is the deal folks, this is the first step. The very first step. We are trying to come together and develop a unified front. This isn't something that I just posted for sh*ts and giggles. We have been chatting, having phone conversations etc. We have been doing our best to move this forward and the first step is coming together to create a name for the association and the bylaws and what nots.
To keep things focused so there are not 200 resellers sitting around in a conference room, trying to be the "man on top", we have decided as a group that if you do not import your own goods, you cannot participate in the first meeting, where bylaws and rules and a board of directors will be decided.
So maybe North America was a bad choice of words. And Di - There is no castle here. No one is trying to be king. We are trying to come together and make some sense of the future of ecigs. If you take offense to it, become a supplier, import into your country and feel free to participate.
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Nope. They are not. Shortages are due to supply and demand and demand is through the roof. The manufacturers are simply trying to catch up.
Edit: Some are having patent issues and those have been dealt with. If there was to be a real patent issue, it would be PM going after Ruyan.
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They did, but that is not most brands. (Also, I edited my last post after your last post)
So far the topics will include:
1. Name for the Organization, Public Presence, etc.
2. Marketing Rules and Regulations for Association Members
3. Public Education Campaign
4. Manufacturing
5. Importing
And more to come.
1. Name for the Organization, Public Presence, etc.
2. Marketing Rules and Regulations for Association Members
3. Public Education Campaign
4. Manufacturing
5. Importing
And more to come.
Just a thought, the problem I see is that anyone here can pretty much buy the same thing you guys sell direct from the manufacturer if we are willing to wait for it. So there needs to be some kind of exclusivity if suppliers are to thrive.
That's a good point and something I will note to discuss on our next conference call. Thanks!
Yeah... but I have also read complaints that suppliers put things they don't have in Out of Stock status, instead of taking money and making people wait. So unfortunately, as suppliers, we simply cannot win.
Each supplier does it differently and that is something I will leave alone out of respect for their business practices. If it does come up in conversation with other suppliers, I will note your concern.
Those are business practices, not industry standards.
Each supplier does it differently and that is something I will leave alone out of respect for their business practices. If it does come up in conversation with other suppliers, I will note your concern.
Those are business practices, not industry standards.
A Quick Note from the Manufacturers and Suppliers of Electronic Smoking Devices and Liquids:
The Manufacturers and Suppliers of electronic smoking in North America are meeting April 11th-12th, 2009 in Chicago. Here, we will discuss the future of the electronic smoking industry and develop our industry's Association of Manufacturers and Suppliers. There are currently 25 participating manufacturers and suppliers.
This two day conference/meeting will focus on many topics which will include and are not limited to proper marketing practices and safety standards. As a unified group, we will work on a public education campaign as well as many other activities to help promote esmoking as an alternative to tobacco smoking.
We do hope that the forum members will see this as a step in the right direction.
Safety measures and ethical marketing would be a step in the right direction.
Right to Vape's goal: "Right to Vape is a voluntary organisation with the primary purpose to represent users of personal vaporisers (PVs) and their safety."
That is the goal of manufacturers and suppliers also? Your financial involvements do not sit well with consumer rights and the community interest.
What sort of fundraising are you thinking of doing? I'm highly sceptical about charitable donations being managed by vested interests. Your involvement regarding money should stop at making reasonable profit for the services and products you supply.
China is the biggest player in this game. North America may seem to have a large number of traders but the big fish are in China. Traders are in a position to reach out, build bridges and develop an international network but they are turning inward, becoming isolated and powerless instead. Diplomacy would go a long way here.
For you the future of 'ecigs' is an import and selling ban. They are drug delivery devices, unregulated, untested, unproven and unapproved.
You might have a brighter future if your products were personal vaporisers and don't produce smoke.
Who would want to participate in this fiasco? I wouldn't choose to jolly away my time chatting on the phone and having meetings about 'smoking', 'electronic cigarettes' and what to do with all the voluntary donations people will be rushing to give me for empty promises.
Forget education, that's up to the rest of us. Good (honest and ethical) marketing and safety measures will do the trick.
It's hard to deal with your issues without it seeming like a personal attack Lacey. I like you and I respect you for the dedication you have shown to the community, please don't be offended by me giving my impressions. If you are going to act as a spokesperson for any section of the community then you need to put your personal beliefs, feelings and opinions away and say what that section of the community wants you to say as accurately and objectively as possible. Otherwise you are just representing yourself.
What you have presented here is very worrying to me. It shows that we are divided, fighting ourselves over semantics and dominance. The real issues - legality, ethics and safety take a back seat here.
It doesn't matter how many chats and meetings you have, if there is no substance you can't sell it for long. This whole thread is empty words, a promise of something most of us don't want and can't have.
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