The future of smoking? E-cigarette sales come to Briarwood Mall in Ann Arbor

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Vchick

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What a process to register, but I did it;

In response and addition to the poster (who identified themselves as nurse) before me on the site;


Well said Dorothy and I applaud you for doing so. I used to smoke cigarettes until July of this year, I am also asthmatic.

When a non-smoker tries to use something such as Chantix and can tell me what they experienced and have to live with for life due to the changes in the brain that occur, then I would value your opinion.

There have been numerous products to date that are quoted as being "smoking cessation products/devices" I have not ever seen the electronic cigarette marketed as such and the reputable suppliers that I deal with do not market to ages 18/under.

I saw this as a way to eventually go off cigarettes, whether I choose to quit the electronic cigarette down the road is undecided. I currently use nicotine in the liquids I vape and will gradually taper down to none.

There have been many articles and arguments published about this topic, to date I see mixed results and reactions. The government is getting what they want by taxing the cigarette industry to the hilt, they have accomplished what they set out to do by getting people to quit. They are now running out of tax money to fund programs they used this money for. If quitting was so easy to do, the FDA would be finding something else to ban or cause alarm about.

I am a stealth vaper and do once in a while in public places, in front of people everyday, and no one knows it. I've yet to see anyone gagging or coughing around me, in general there is no odor and/or fragrances emitted from these devices.

Better watch the next person who you think is chewing on a pen when you're out and about and look a little closer, we're all around and growing in numbers
 

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Huh....if you go to a NA meeting, are you bashed because you have a drug addiction? NOOOOO. You're there because you need help. The same principle applies to these booths. They aren't there to entice non smokers or minors. They are there to provide a better means of smoking. These "do gooders" who bash us for having an addiction need to remain silent. We know we have a problem and we're finally provided with the opportunity to seek other methods. This is our choice, not theirs. :oops:Okay, I'm done ranting about this.
 

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The article itself isn't bad - it's the comments that concerned me. I took Jim's advice and reduced my word count to 600 - maybe it'll go through now. I focused more on the more and more frequent criticisms of "addictions."

I see a lot of people condemning e-cigarette users for their nicotine addiction and not appreciating that they are no longer smoking.

How have we, as a society, gone from "smoking is bad" to "ALL addiction is bad?"

An addiction is bad only if the risks/harm outweigh the benefits. However, nicotine use WITHOUT smoke isn't really any worse than drinking coffee. Yes, the addiction is stronger, but it doesn't harm the user any more than caffeine use and there are many more caffeine users than there are smokers. Caffeine is in chocolate, soda, coffee, tea, energy drinks, diet supplements and more. Similar health risks to nicotine, used far more widely than nicotine, yet nicotine is somehow worse just because it is more “addictive?”

Addiction is not automatically "bad." Romantic intercourse has no purpose other than to make us feel good. Without it, many people have "withdrawl" symptoms - increased anxiety, irritability, mood swings, decreased concentration, etc. - clear symptoms of an addiction in every sense. So, does that "addiction" automatically make it a bad thing? Obviously not, but it COULD be if you consider how someone goes about getting it. Intercourse could be bad if done with numerous partners without protection, prostitution, porn, etc. But it's the negative behaviors & risks associated with it - not the act (addiction) itself - that is bad.

People who use nicotine obtain some benefit - it has a calming effect, it's a pick-me-up, it helps concentration, it helps with depression or any number of reasons why people keep using it after they start. The worst thing about nicotine use was the negative health effects caused by the SMOKE from tobacco cigarettes and that it kept people smoking, not the nicotine addiction itself.

E-cigarettes do not contain smoke and consist of all FDA-approved ingredients - propylene glycol, food flavoring and nicotine. None of which are known to have significant health risks in the amounts found in e-cigarettes. How anyone can even think that they would be anywhere near as dangerous as tobacco smoke is beyond comprehension - it lacks all reason and scientific logic.

Seven years on the world market and three years in the U.S. and there have been no reports of illness or injury attributed to e-cigarette use. That's THREE YEARS of real-world testing just in the U.S. alone and no adverse effects have been reported. In fact, nearly all users have been reporting improved health and vitality. Compare that to FDA-approved Chantix, which was APPROVED after clinical trials, yet proceeded to start killing people within months after release onto the market and real-world use. So, is lab testing really that more reliable than the real-world testing?

To expect that a teen will buy $35 - $150 e-cigarettes because they are "cool gadgets" and have "candy flavors" and then switch to foul-tasting, non-gadget tobacco cigarettes is a complete contradiction that people don't seem to notice. If the FDA would just regulate e-cigarettes as tobacco products, they would automatically be banned for sale to minors by federal law and could be regulated for safe manufacturing. Yet the FDA and public health groups have fought that classification and even refused to allow the passage of legislation which would have banned the sale to minors while leaving them available as an option for adult smokers. What is the real motivation here?

E-cigarettes are quite possibly one of the most significant advancements for public health to come along in decades and people are opposing them based on irrational, baseless fears and personal judgments.

It defies all logic and reason. Think about it.
 

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So it was you and I Kristin that were too long winded for the Byte Nazis at AnnArbor.com. I was getting a complex. I submitted it once and thought I saw it update and be in the comments, but when I came back it wasn't there. So I then posted a second time (this time copying my work, just in case) checked and definitely saw that it had been posted. I looked back a second time and it gone. I checked my email to see if they had found something offensive, but no word. Then I went back and the staff member posted his comment about too many words. I need to learn to ALWAYS save my comments before posting because it's time consuming repeating yourself.
 

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Ok - Need to Rant a moment. So on drug addiction, why is caffeine not added to that list? I can go to the store and get my fair share of "wake up" pills, or energy drinks, or chocolate, or sodas. Providing ID will allow me to purchase alcohol or tobacco products in their many forms. No one bats an eye.......

Why are people so up in arms when there is evidence that it is healthier than the smoking alternative? Easy answer; people fear what they don't know. What we all need to do is continually educate people and disarm their preconceived notions about vaping. Vape in public, be respectful and most importantly treat it like it's normal. All new technology was feared and pre-judged before becoming mainstream. Society will catch up to us innovators and trend setters, it'll just take a little time, and many many clouds of vapor. In the meantime, enjoy, educate and celebrate your choice to Vape!!

Mathew
 
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