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The high cost of vaping. Better not to start or even quit?

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Vaporista

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In the rest of the world, especially in the US and Europe, cigarattes and tobacco are so outrageously taxed that it makes economic sense (apart from health reasons) to quit the habit. I think the Americans pay something like R35-R45 per pack average and the Brits pay something like 7 pounds next year (up from 5 pounds and 50p) Spain sells them for around 7 euro (60-70 rands give or take) all crazy prices even if my math is a little off, so vaping there does make a helluva lot more sense than it does here where a pack of 20 sells for average R22-25 in forecourts.
So if you are/were a pack a day smoker at 20 cigs @ R22 per day then that's R154 per week or R616 per month. (I've chosen the lower average figure of a common filtered brand)
Okay lets look at the costs of vaping. Really look at them. This is assuming you only vape and no longer supplement your habit with cigarettes.
Starter kits are basically 1 atty and 2 batteries and a charger. If you are lucky you might get 4-5 pre filled carts with it.
Okay costs will range between R450 online and R990 (bricks and mortar twisp stick) Lets say R550 for a decent starter kit then. Maybe more.
Then you need juice. The average 20 per day smoker will use 20-30ml of e-liquid per week at R60-R70 per 10ml
so nicotine juice costs R140 per week minimum or R560 per month minimum for the average vaper who uses 20ml per week.
The vaper who uses 30ml per week can spend R210 minimum per week and thats R840 per month on e-juice alone. If you order from online suppliers, and you cannot drive and collect your juice you will have courier fees to add to your total so lets say average R90 for a months supply. (That's being conservative as starting vapers might order two or more times per month.)
If you are incredibly lucky, your all important atomiser that comes with your starter kit will last a month or more. My record is 3 months. Average for me is about a month but some attys have died in a week. After a month they weaken anyway or they start to taste awful. Price of a new atty, between R145 and R265.
Now if you are a dedicated vaper you will have spares. You will have spare attys and spare batteries. Might as well get another starter kit. *ring. ring* Ok thats another R500 right there.
Everyone has different experiences with batteries. I've been lucky they are going strong after 3 months. You never know, but lets keep that cost out for now as we try and get some kind of monthly total.
Cigarettes will average R616 per month. excluding petrol costs to go fetch them while your new, full time e-cig habit will cost you an average of R787.50 (at a minimum). Take a starter kit at average R550 and divide by 4 then add the juice and courier fees.
Of course if you buy all your supplies from Njoy, Puffaway and Twisp you will see that figure exceed R1000 per month easily...but if you buy online you will pay around R787 at a minimum, you might get away with R600 if you are really really lucky and a very very light smoker.
Of course I haven't added the costs of all the accessories yet. See once you start with a basic model, you are like a blind person stumbling around in the dark looking for the light switch. You want to improve your experience. It's kind of mandatory really because if you haven't vaped with heavy duty volts on a USB passthrough it's like you've wasted your entire time and you might as well have thrown all your money in the bin.
So the ante goes up, and the wallet gets lighter when you fork over anything from R900 upwards for a screwdriver type device and remember when you are in that exclusive league of Vapers you will become a juice ....., or rather, your device will become a wet vacuum cleaner and your nic juice will evaporate before your eyes. Out comes your wallet. Again.
All said and done, no amount of money, and let me tell you boys and girls, it is a load of money you will be spending on this experience, but no amount can ever compensate for the frustrations and time you WILL suffer. Your attys will die or won't work properly at some point while you screw and unscrew, prod, probe, suck, blow, (sounds like a b grade porn movie) you will end up basically scratching your head. You will be jumping like a loon from battery charger to charger and you will get an honest to god adrenaline flush the moment you see a green light. Red lights will become the bane of your existence. You will run out of plug sockets and Your kitchen will be full of wire entrails and your house will be full of half discarded e-juice bottles that would make an alcoholic look frugal in comparison. You won't socialise in the world outside anymore because you'll be using the forums to try and diagnose some stupid problem that the Chinese have just about ruined your life with and meanwhile you'll be buying extra stuff for a rainy day from other suppliers and your bank manager will soon be phoning you to tell you that your credit card is over the limit:D
So, while it may not be quite as bad as this, it is certainly no spritz on the sidewalk. vaping actually costs more than smoking tobacco cigarettes in this country and if time is money to you, you will be bankrupt quickly.
But all this is a piss in the pond in the greater scheme of things. Getting off tobacco cigarettes is perhaps the greatest gift you can give yourself and your loved ones. And if the cost of vaping is what it takes, then so be it. Just remember for all the times you may have tried to switch before you probably ended up spending MORE on alternatives like gum, patches, sprays, hypnosis and pharmaceuticals. Vaping works but it comes at a cost. Hell everything in life comes at a cost. There's no such thing as a free lunch but there is such a thing as a free nic juice sample now and then.:D
 
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queevil

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I don't know what the Rand to Dollar conversion is but here in the US my newfound vaping habit ( I quit analogs ) costs about $1.50 a day in liquid. I haven't really figured a way to efficiently factor in the cost of depreciation in attys and batts because they have varying lifespans. Some people use the same atty for a long time while my first one only lasted a week and a half because I got it way to hot. So, I would guess that vaping costs me about $1.75 a day versus close to $7 for a pack smokes. For me it's way cheaper.
 

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Well, I recently added up what I've spent on vaping, I suspected I might have spent more on it than I would have on smoking, as I've bought lots of atomizers, batteries, a PCC and a USB passthrough, as well as parts for a homemade passthrough and various bits and pieces. Surprisingly I have saved quite a bit, even though I vape a lot, and wouldn't mind if it cost me a bit more than smoking. The amount I've spent includes this little batch of liquid and 4 510 batteries and atomizers, 2 chargers and 10 cartridges which arrived today.

http://i786.photobucket.com/albums/yy142/gavinhrc/liquid.jpg
 

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Well, I recently added up what I've spent on vaping, I suspected I might have spent more on it than I would have on smoking, as I've bought lots of atomizers, batteries, a PCC and a USB passthrough, as well as parts for a homemade passthrough and various bits and pieces. Surprisingly I have saved quite a bit, even though I vape a lot, and wouldn't mind if it cost me a bit more than smoking. The amount I've spent includes this little batch of liquid and 4 510 batteries and atomizers, 2 chargers and 10 cartridges which arrived today.


@Gavin. How long did Eastmall take to deliver?
 

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About $1.57 a day here, including parts. I do however use a USB-StraightThroughRadioShackBatteryBoxMod when sitting at a computer, and plug this in to an outlet (with a USB adapter) if watching a movie with the girlie.

Since I have lost only 2 parts (1 901 battery, and 1 510 pass-through that was made into my StraightThrough [no Battery, straight 5v USB]) I think that I am spending like $2-4/week on juice. This is including Flavoring, eliquid, PG, VG, Distilled water, and 75% PGA.

I do of course vape like 2-4MG homebrew juice all day long. Cutting a <$20 24 or 36mg down that low makes the USD go further. Luckily for me I was an ultra light smoker. I was in the beginning I was spending $20/week on 35mg eliquid that was local, before finding this 4um and learning to cut.

I was spending like $200/month on analogs. I did however just purchase a TON of (some natural) flavors so the cost listed above may go up, but will last WELL OVER a year.
 

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Hey Vaporista

Just wanted to offer my condolences :cry:

Read through your cost breakdown, opened up my currency calculator and
OH MY STARS! 8-o
Your right on the mark with your assessment with respect to the costs. The rand appears to not be vaping friendly at all. So sad...

At least you've snuff to console!
 

gavin

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Well, I recently added up what I've spent on vaping, I suspected I might have spent more on it than I would have on smoking, as I've bought lots of atomizers, batteries, a PCC and a USB passthrough, as well as parts for a homemade passthrough and various bits and pieces. Surprisingly I have saved quite a bit, even though I vape a lot, and wouldn't mind if it cost me a bit more than smoking. The amount I've spent includes this little batch of liquid and 4 510 batteries and atomizers, 2 chargers and 10 cartridges which arrived today.

http://i786.photobucket.com/albums/yy142/gavinhrc/liquid.jpg

Well, no wonder I was surprised, just checked my figures and they were wrong, I've spent more than I've saved, but I wont need to buy liquid for a helluva long time now, and what I've spent includes a kit for my wife. Anyway the health benefits are priceless and I am enjoying it so much it is like a hobby as well.
 

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For those who wonder why South Africa is not a vape friendly country for those who live there as to an affordable alternative to tobacco well lets do the marlboro costing.

1 pack 20 marlboro (or stuvyesant red) is Rand 22 (Camel filter Rand 25)
That's 1.78 GBP or US $2.98 or Euro 1.99
It's not snus friendly either. General White Swedish Snus is Rand 25 (same as a pack of camels) and Stuvyesant mini snus is R14 and snuff is anywhere from R11 to R25.

Now I could just cry when I tally up how much vaping has cost me. I wouldn't go as far as saying there are health benefits, because the jury is still out on that. However I can say that if you, like me have smoked cigarettes for over twenty five years, the damage has in all likelihood been done. I'm just waiting for the red cauliflowers to start sprouting in my lungs in about oh, 10 years time. I'm glad I quit when I did though. I just wish vaping/snorting/sucking quality nicotine was a cheaper alternative to smoking. Unfortunately in this part of the world it is a luxury.

@gavin. Hmm. Eastmall. Waiting 7 days now so I can double that then I suppose...
 
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Vaporista

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The snus and snuff seems comparable to what I'm paying at least :)

Well take my word for it you wouldn't want to give a snuff called "Taxi" to your local rat population. Have you ever tried sniffing tobacco grains the size of marbles? Our local snuffs are mostly for people living below the poverty line. It's truly awful stuff if you ask me. They make stuff for export but I've not seen it locally. I'm sure they grind that a bit more and give it a scrubbing or two. I'd pay a bit more and get a McCrystals which is about the only one you get anyway. Now before you say your snus is comparable- well truth be told we only have one- Stuvyesant brand in Tropical, Mint or Coffee. These are minis and you could stuff the whole tin in your mouth in one go. That's how small the tins are. The reason we have these at all is simply a marketing experiment which began in 2006 and is still going for reasons I've no idea. The stuff just sits in fridges on countertops. It was a disasterous experiment. I've known shopkeepers who just tired of it and just shoved the lot under the counter. Nobody wants it. General was too expensive. Nobody snuses much here. Maybe that will change, but in two years...nope.
 

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When I said comparable that was considering the prices I pay through Northerner. Shipping from Sweden to the States pops it up a bit.

Wouldn't ordering from Northerner help out in that respect?

You get more variety, sure, but Northerner online costs more or less the same for General as retail here maybe 50c more, much more- if you include shipping and then you pay customs which is a whole new story:(
 

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For those who wonder why South Africa is not a vape friendly country for those who live there as to an affordable alternative to tobacco well lets do the marlboro costing.

1 pack 20 marlboro (or stuvyesant red) is Rand 22 (Camel filter Rand 25)
That's 1.78 GBP or US $2.98 or Euro 1.99
It's not snus friendly either. General White Swedish Snus is Rand 25 (same as a pack of camels) and Stuvyesant mini snus is R14 and snuff is anywhere from R11 to R25.

Now I could just cry when I tally up how much vaping has cost me. I wouldn't go as far as saying there are health benefits, because the jury is still out on that. However I can say that if you, like me have smoked cigarettes for over twenty five years, the damage has in all likelihood been done. I'm just waiting for the red cauliflowers to start sprouting in my lungs in about oh, 10 years time. I'm glad I quit when I did though. I just wish vaping/snorting/sucking quality nicotine was a cheaper alternative to smoking. Unfortunately in this part of the world it is a luxury.

@gavin. Hmm. Eastmall. Waiting 7 days now so I can double that then I suppose...

Your real cost-saving will come when:
1. You totally stopped analogs.
2. You vape at 0 nic.
3. You built/DIY your own battery-mod.
4. You DIY your own E-juice.

I achieved:
(1.) within 1 week of vaping,
(2.) after 2 months of vaping,
(3.) after 2-half months of vaping(learn fr this forum),
(4.) after 2 months of vaping(learn fr this forum).

I am now analog-free for 6 months, nicotine-free for 4 months and I now vape lite ( 5/6 times/day). Ecig help me quit my nasty 20 years 15-sticks/day habit!

But now I got a big PROBLEM? I am over-stock with ecig's, atty, E-juice, batteries and chargers!

Lesson learnt: Don't over-stock yourself with more than 6 months ecig supply. Because chances are that you may quit analog and ecig eventually, faster than you may have thought initially. That's what happen to me..:confused:

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Vaporista

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Your real cost-saving will come when:
1. You totally stopped analogs.
2. You vape at 0 nic.
3. You built/DIY your own battery-mod.
4. You DIY your own E-juice.


1. Just over two months now, and poorer for it:(
2. 0 nic. You have to be kidding. Firstly one has better luck finding needles in kelp forests, in these parts and secondly, if you can find it you still pay almost as much as any strength juice as a consumer. It's been mentioned on the forums that 0mg nic
has zilch throat hit. Heck. I'm not one of those people who ever smoked those ultrathin, ultralight analogs. I got moore nic hit from second hand smoke wafting off the neighbours porch. I am a die hard old school nicotine fiend. 0mg just won't work for me. I want an alternative nicotine source. Yes you heard right, I'm a fiend. I want an affordable high nic vape. If you read these forums you will see that many of the ex-smokers have to subsitute their vaping because vaping alone is missing that elusive "something". We think it's a yet to be identified MAOI in some form present in tobacco alkaloids that all NRT's currently lack. Vaping lacks it too. So we supplement with smokeless tobacco. It also costs more when I have to have a pinch of snuff now and again. Weaning myself off nicotine is just not a priority, but it is fast becoming an economic necessity:) Giving up analogs was a priority, but unlike you, it took me about 4 weeks of vaping along with the analogs and only when I got 24mg nic could I switch over to vaping exclusively. That was two months ago.
At this rate, with the frightening costs of the vaping lifestyle I'm next looking at going cold turkey:( Even dissolvables are unobtainable at a reasonable cost. One esteemed member here spends his entire life on U Tube flogging smokeless tobacco, just to support his own habit. He's sicker than I am. He even smokes snus. Looks like a ...... Junkie wielding that teaspoon snusbag too:) But I did one up. I vaped my nicotine spray. I won't be in a hurry to try that again.
Not everyone here is a garage genius who can hammer together a functioning mod. I can barely bang two pots together. I planned to buy one from my friend the Golden Greek. I think he's still waiting for my money:D But DIY e-juice makes the most sense of all. I'm waiting on a shipment of 60mg mixing juice from America and I'll mix up a batch of Hot Tamales e-juice while I'm cooking the family dinner. It should be fun. All that tasting! The only thing that worries me is that my pal over in DeKangLand says that any nic juice over 36 comes from non food grade sources and I should watch my arrse, not lick my fingers or even smoke the leftovers in the Hot Tamales mixing bowl. He said I should lock the kids out of the kitchen and turn on the extractor fan.:confused:


Lesson learnt: Don't over-stock yourself with more than 6 months ecig supply. Because chances are that you may quit analog and ecig eventually, faster than you may have thought initially. That's what happen to me..:confused:




I cannot put into words just how much I loathe you for having over 6 months e-cig supplies. I think the sum of my e-worldly-goods is two feeble 801 attys on their way out to join their breathen in the Great Atty Landfill (and no, don't even mention the Jaxx resuscitation
No amount of poking them with pins or paperclips does any good at all) and one steaming 801 atty of a red colour crossmatched with a white battery because the red batteries died; two cold dead M201 attys with two brand new M201 batteries sitting in a brand new box. They lasted a week, tops; and my supplier has spent the last 4 days running from pillar to post in the customs hall at the airport looking for replacements sent by the Chinese. Finally I have a battled scarred janty stick that has miscalculated the usb bungee jump from the desk to the floor, more times than I care to count. It's still working. That's all that matters. But you are right, one of these days all of them will conk out, qand as Murphys Law would have it -it will be at the exact same time as my bank balance hits 0 and I will probably be quitting my ecig faster than I even thought myself. :)
 
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