RDA The Odin a Rebuildable Atomizer by Loki Labs

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The Odin was designed as a regular dripping rda. We have planned to have the fill hold a little above the deck but many have suggested flush.

The one im currently using is about 1mm above the deck and will keave some excess juice and have yet to have a leaking issues with it fumbling in my pocket.

More testing is needed and various heights to find what we feel will work best.

Once we finalize it, just a matter of making new center posts. We rather do it right then send out somewhat lame BF Odin. ;)

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IMO flush is better. For BF, that 1mm space serves no use and reduces the draining. Thank you for your interest and willingness to listen!
 

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Great video Bro and I think its great the mfg is on board with BF option as well. I think the juice delivery hole should be at deck level also, because any juice left over in the atty will only cook as the wicking media is being vaped and you will get loss of flavor for what remains in the atty.
 

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It is just coincidence that all the vape gear manufacturers I associate with are all open to end user input? I'm Thinking Rob (REO), Peter (pdib) Mark Bugs and the newest addition to the list - Craig (Loki Lab).

Aside from performing his own R&D, Craig is interested and receptive to our wants.

I like it.

I trust his judgement as to what he finds is working and not leaking but being a rather recent entrant into the bottom fed genre, it's possible that he just hadn't experienced how good the vape can be when the excess juice is drained leaving only a wet wick.

Us feeders tend to prefer a dry deck and wet wick :)

My TC6 modded Odin is straight KILLIN IT.

here it is at the beach :)

IELuE0M.jpg


Craig, I Was just thinking of something else: I don't see many many feeders using a single coil setup. What are the possibilities of eliminating the eccentric single coil air channel and centering the dual coil air channels on the juice wells?

I think that would put this beast from at the top of the heap to over the top of the heap :)
 

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It is just coincidence that all the vape gear manufacturers I associate with are all open to end user input? I'm Thinking Rob (REO), Peter (pdib) Mark Bugs and the newest addition to the list - Craig (Loki Lab).

Aside from performing his own R&D, Craig is interested and receptive to our wants.

I like it.

I trust his judgement as to what he finds is working and not leaking but being a rather recent entrant into the bottom fed genre, it's possible that he just hadn't experienced how good the vape can be when the excess juice is drained leaving only a wet wick.

Us feeders tend to prefer a dry deck and wet wick :)

My TC6 modded Odin is straight KILLIN IT.

here it is at the beach :)

IELuE0M.jpg


Craig, I Was just thinking of something else: I don't see many many feeders using a single coil setup. What are the possibilities of eliminating the eccentric single coil air channel and centering the dual coil air channels on the juice wells?

I think that would put this beast from at the top of the heap to over the top of the heap :)

I know a lot of single coil folks. Maybe in the future we at Loki can work on an additional atty like mentioned but for now with other current projects it's not in the cards.

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i don't understand what Supe is asking there, but yes, for some reason I thought the Odin had juice well in the base, in which case, the coil wouldn't be on the base...
but i was wrong there... so yeah juice hole at the base is best, making b/f Odin on a B/F device better than a straight up non b/f dripper.

Glad Supe is enjoying...

re: Single coil vs Dual coil; good juice source positioning for both coil/wicks important.
With the RM2, if I over feed, yes it will go down the juice hole, but not all, so after a squonk I tilt the RM2 away from coil/air hole side and then as the squonked juice diminishes I tilt towards the air hole.
Its a 3 part: squonk, tilt away - vape a couple times, tilt towards hole - vape, vape... Squonk.

For a dual coil setup I guess I would tilt towards the non coil/air sides, then etc... yeah i got too much time on my hands ( i wish).
 

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I know a lot of single coil folks. Maybe in the future we at Loki can work on an additional atty like mentioned but for now with other current projects it's not in the cards.

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I pretty much roll with single coils. Either twisted or parallel. One of the reasons I like the Magma. For me the third post is extraneous.
 

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It is just coincidence that all the vape gear manufacturers I associate with are all open to end user input? I'm Thinking Rob (REO), Peter (pdib) Mark Bugs and the newest addition to the list - Craig (Loki Lab).

Aside from performing his own R&D, Craig is interested and receptive to our wants.

I like it.

I trust his judgement as to what he finds is working and not leaking but being a rather recent entrant into the bottom fed genre, it's possible that he just hadn't experienced how good the vape can be when the excess juice is drained leaving only a wet wick.

Us feeders tend to prefer a dry deck and wet wick :)

My TC6 modded Odin is straight KILLIN IT.

here it is at the beach :)

IELuE0M.jpg


Craig, I Was just thinking of something else: I don't see many many feeders using a single coil setup. What are the possibilities of eliminating the eccentric single coil air channel and centering the dual coil air channels on the juice wells?

I think that would put this beast from at the top of the heap to over the top of the heap :)

What is that bottom feeder? I want one....love it!
 

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I know a lot of single coil folks. Maybe in the future we at Loki can work on an additional atty like mentioned but for now with other current projects it's not in the cards.

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Hey Craig, I don't actually have the Odin, (sold out before I really researched it), I like the whole arrangement you have going on with it but lately am no too fond of the whole 22mm diameter thing that is raging right now. I am more of an 18-19mm diameter vapor right now. Any possibilities in a mini version that is BF? I recently picked up an AFC top cap for my Cyclone and that has raised the flavor of my vape very much over my Atomic and Trident that I modded for BF. Just curious...

Sorry Russ, not trying to hijack your thread...
 

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My Odin finally showed up today. Just finished building it, and currently trying it out. I think it's a keeper. Very nice RDA, with nice deep wells. I built a dual coil, 8 wraps of 26g on a 5/64 bit. .5 ohms. Wicked with rayon. Pretty easy build. I especially like the negative screws to capture the wire, instead of posts. My only issue was, the hole in the top cap is a little large for any of my drip tips. I tried several, and they were all very loose. I finally took one and wrapped a couple wraps of dental floss in the o ring groove, replaced the o ring, and it's good.
 

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when it comes to bottom feeding there are 2 different schools of thought, one is to have the bottom feeder feed a juice well just like a dripper would normally have, and the atty will then wind up working just as it did in drip mode, squonk, hit it ~10 times or till the juice well is depleted and then repeat. the drawback to this is the same drawback that the atty would have if it was being used in drip mode and that drawback is that the excess juice can leak if the well is full and the mod is placed sideways and the other drawback is the excess juice winds up getting cooked and tainted eventually

the other school of thought is a bottom feeder does not need any well holding juice at all, a squonk should saturate the wick and coil and then retract, leaving a dry deck with fully saturated coil and wick. in my opinion that is the best way because the best vape possible does not want a pool of juice, it just wants a wet coil and wick, vape suffers when the coil is sitting in a puddle and there is no advantage to vape quality with more juice and wick while there could be disadvantages, such as burnt excess juice and pooling juice at the coil.

I love the odin. the odin does not have a very deep well, especially when you consider that the well is only as high as the bottom of the air inlets, so the well is no problem on the odin but I think it still works better if the feed is right at the deck so it can fully evacuate after each squonk. I'm sure most drippers have seen how the vape quality can actually go down if you drip too much juice in the well, it vapes well when there is enough juice but not too much, this method of having the squonk hole at the very base ensures there is never too much juice and never any chance of leaks because there is no pool.

here is a shot of my first build on the odin. you can see that right after a squonk, this is what's left before you even vape it. there is way too much wick as a bottom feeder in this particular build but it's the only picture I have right now

20140629_160055_zps5d007cc2.jpg



now just to show what I think an ideal squonk would be, here is an atty base that I built specifically for bottom feeding. this was an origen V2 that originally had a very deep well and it suffered because of that as a bottom feeder. I made a new deck that filled the whole well and it now went from being one of the worse 22mm bf atties to one of the best, just by eliminating that huge juice holding well... the odin is just as good as this right out of the box with a low feeding hole


the feed:


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and after releasing the feed:

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here is another misc atty set up for an ideal bottom feed:

20140706_003546_zps47c508a0.jpg




a drippers mentality is the more juice it holds the better, but with bottom feeding that's not the case, here the less juice it holds the better, this way you're getting fresh juice each vape, ideally saturated yet with no pooling or excess juice anywhere. it is an inconvenience to drip so the more time between drips is good for a dripper, but bottom feeding is different, it's no bother to just put a little pressure on the bottle to re saturate every hit or every other hit. also a dripper will tend to use much more wick to hold more juice but as a bottom feeder the opposite is true, too much wick can actually keep juice away from the coil so an ideal bottom feeder setup will have just enough wick without any excess, that's what makes a bottom feeder superior to even dripping is just enough wick and just enough juice for an ideal vape. here is a typical bf wick setup. as a bottom feeder you do not want or need much more wick than this....

20140715_023402_zps61365d3d.jpg



if you approach this with a dripper mentality which is that it's just getting refilled from squonking rather than dripping then yeah a higher hole makes the most sense, but if you really get to know bottom feeding and see how the vape actually improves with minimal wick and minimal excess juice then you'll see why the lower hole and full evacuation is actually better. if you look at what's regarded as the best vaping bottom feeding atties out there you'll see that they are all fully evacuating.

again I love the odin as is with a low feed hole, if I had to have any critique to the odin it is that the offset air slots would be better off centered so the coil doesn't have to be angled to center it with the airhole. I see why the slots are off center, because that's the only way to use it as either a single or a double, but lets face it, this atty chamber is too large to give an ideal vape with a single coil so realistically it's a dual coil atty, doing away with the single airhole slot and centering the existing 2 slots and this atty would be king, that's the only thing I can critique on the odin but even as is I think it's the best bang for the buck atty I've seen in a really long time
 
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when it comes to bottom feeding there are 2 different schools of thought, one is to have the bottom feeder feed a juice well just like a dripper would normally have, and the atty will then wind up working just as it did in drip mode, squonk, hit it ~10 times or till the juice well is depleted and then repeat. the drawback to this is the same drawback that the atty would have if it was being used in drip mode and that drawback is that the excess juice can leak if the well is full and the mod is placed sideways and the other drawback is the excess juice winds up getting cooked and tainted eventually

the other school of thought is a bottom feeder does not need any well holding juice at all, a squonk should saturate the wick and coil and then retract, leaving a dry deck with fully saturated coil and wick. in my opinion that is the best way because the best vape possible does not want a pool of juice, it just wants a wet coil and wick, vape suffers when the coil is sitting in a puddle and there is no advantage to vape quality with more juice and wick while there could be disadvantages, such as burnt excess juice and pooling juice at the coil.

I love the odin. the odin does not have a very deep well, especially when you consider that the well is only as high as the bottom of the air inlets, so the well is no problem on the odin but I think it still works better if the feed is right at the deck so it can fully evacuate after each squonk. I'm sure most drippers have seen how the vape quality can actually go down if you drip too much juice in the well, it vapes well when there is enough juice but not too much, this method of having the squonk hole at the very base ensures there is never too much juice and never any chance of leaks because there is no pool.

here is a shot of my first build on the odin. you can see that right after a squonk, this is what's left before you even vape it. there is way too much wick as a bottom feeder in this particular build but it's the only picture I have right now

20140629_160055_zps5d007cc2.jpg



now just to show what I think an ideal squonk would be, here is an atty base that I built specifically for bottom feeding. this was an origen V2 that originally had a very deep well and it suffered because of that as a bottom feeder. I made a new deck that filled the whole well and it now went from being one of the worse 22mm bf atties to one of the best, just by eliminating that huge juice holding well... the odin is just as good as this right out of the box with a low feeding hole


the feed:


20140715_023833_zpse277d9c5.jpg






and after releasing the feed:

20140715_023933_zps9bc7428a.jpg




here is another misc atty set up for an ideal bottom feed:

20140706_003546_zps47c508a0.jpg




a drippers mentality is the more juice it holds the better, but with bottom feeding that's not the case, here the less juice it holds the better, this way you're getting fresh juice each vape, ideally saturated yet with no pooling or excess juice anywhere. it is an inconvenience to drip so the more time between drips is good for a dripper, but bottom feeding is different, it's no bother to just put a little pressure on the bottle to re saturate every hit or every other hit. also a dripper will tend to use much more wick to hold more juice but as a bottom feeder the opposite is true, too much wick can actually keep juice away from the coil so an ideal bottom feeder setup will have just enough wick without any excess, that's what makes a bottom feeder superior to even dripping is just enough wick and just enough juice for an ideal vape. here is a typical bf wick setup. as a bottom feeder you do not want or need much more wick than this....

20140715_023402_zps61365d3d.jpg



if you approach this with a dripper mentality which is that it's just getting refilled from squonking rather than dripping then yeah a higher hole makes the most sense, but if you really get to know bottom feeding and see how the vape actually improves with minimal wick and minimal excess juice then you'll see why the lower hole and full evacuation is actually better. if you look at what's regarded as the best vaping bottom feeding atties out there you'll see that they are all fully evacuating.

again I love the odin as is with a low feed hole, if I had to have any critique to the odin it is that the offset air slots would be better off centered so the coil doesn't have to be angled to center it with the airhole. I see why the slots are off center, because that's the only way to use it as either a single or a double, but lets face it, this atty chamber is too large to give an ideal vape with a single coil so realistically it's a dual coil atty, doing away with the single airhole slot and centering the existing 2 slots and this atty would be king, that's the only thing I can critique on the odin but even as is I think it's the best bang for the buck atty I've seen in a really long time

+1 on ALL of the above.
 

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Since i brought this up I'll say; Awesome post as usual Turbo...

small disagreement about the Origen2 b/f ...
I can agree with the fact that the deep wells are overkill on a b/f, but imo they don't seem to be a drawback for my use.
Unless the well is full, you're sqonking on the coils (high juice hole) and the excess can go down to the partially filled well where it will wick up as needed.
I use horizontal coils anyway with minimal tails into the well

I DO AGREE that a good bottom feeder (with juice hole at bottom and evacuated juice each squonk except for the coil) teamed with a sub ohms bottom feed device can be THE WAY TO GO for sure.

Awesome job TurboCad6
 

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well like I said 2 different schools of thought, the origen holds over 1 ml of juice in a pool, I've seen so many guys who stuff the well with wick just to keep it from leaking but some guys are more careful than others, me I find my mod sideways and even upside down when I'm working with it in my pocket but others may not have an issue with this of course.I've seen some guys who prefer to squonk less with more hits between squonks and of course if the deep well doesn't cause you any issues then it's all good, hell I won't say the origen V2 was bad so much, but personally I like it so much better without the juice well.

as far as I know every atty that is regarded as being the best bottom feeders all have fully evacuating decks, from the rm2 to the chalice and almost everything in between. VA did the cyclone originally with a feed hole a few mm's over the deck and for every one guy who liked it, 10 guys complained that it caused more leaks... they eventually revised it to a lower hole at the deck from all of the feedback they got after the fact. the cyclone has air holes very close to the deck though so on the odin it would be better than that even if the feed hole was a few mm above the deck but still, it's 22mm diameter means that it could hold enough juice there to leak. I think optimum to me is fully evacuating. it won't be BAD if the hole is slightly above the deck but I think most guys would rather it fully evacuate. personally it makes no difference to me because I could just make it the way I want it to be but I think more guys would appreciate the hole at the deck than not
 

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well like I said 2 different schools of thought, the origen holds over 1 ml of juice in a pool, I've seen so many guys who stuff the well with wick just to keep it from leaking but some guys are more careful than others, me I find my mod sideways and even upside down when I'm working with it in my pocket but others may not have an issue with this of course.I've seen some guys who prefer to squonk less with more hits between squonks and of course if the deep well doesn't cause you any issues then it's all good, hell I won't say the origen V2 was bad so much, but personally I like it so much better without the juice well.

as far as I know every atty that is regarded as being the best bottom feeders all have fully evacuating decks, from the rm2 to the chalice and almost everything in between. VA did the cyclone originally with a feed hole a few mm's over the deck and for every one guy who liked it, 10 guys complained that it caused more leaks... they eventually revised it to a lower hole at the deck from all of the feedback they got after the fact. the cyclone has air holes very close to the deck though so on the odin it would be better than that even if the feed hole was a few mm above the deck but still, it's 22mm diameter means that it could hold enough juice there to leak. I think optimum to me is fully evacuating. it won't be BAD if the hole is slightly above the deck but I think most guys would rather it fully evacuate. personally it makes no difference to me because I could just make it the way I want it to be but I think more guys would appreciate the hole at the deck than not

Totally :)
 
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