I was thinking it was ME! So, been doing penance on the newbie forum...I'm usually a nice little cat lady.
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I read that post too, and thought I should write a nasty response. Then, I realized I really don't care. I think my passion is misinterpreted as anger sometimes. And I don't think people are ready for the message that I'm delivering, and delivering with a sense of violent love.
See, I've just been lurking, waiting for the list of names to come out.....I hope I make the team!!
I agree with you to an extent...although, if you read through those posts starting from the beginning, it'll make more sense. We weren't necessarily doing the poking. Many folks, myself included, legitimately tried to help him get something to work for him. The theories got more bizarre as time went on and then started turning towards actual scare tactics and fear mongering. It brought out the childishness in a lot of us. Nobody here wants our new members getting bad info. When I first started vaping, I pretty much thought "reviewers" knew EVERYTHING. He poses as a reviewer but knows nothing. I'm not proud of it and I'm sure most of us wish we walked away a lot sooner. But, it is what it is and more often than not, he asked for it. A big part of me feels like he got exactly what he wanted.
That's the word I was looking for! Shame on me for delivering....I couldn't help it. I told myself "NO" but my keyboard had other plans.....
ok I have been reading over this.
I see people defending GN's position and saying many shouldnt attack his posts.
here is whats wrong with this:
ECF is a collective, we share ideas and spread common knowledge, when we think we have something that may further everyones knowledge and experience, we share this information in the hope others will try to replicate or improve on these findings, in many cases this is stated as our experience with XXXXX not as "I did it so it is a fact!"
Many new people come here to further their knowledge of vaping and to enhance their vaping experience, If someone comes and posts erroneous information as fact and no one replies it will be seen as "wow this guy knows his stuff and must be correct as no one is even challenging this information"
In the case of GoodNews when we do challenge this information we are told we are wrong, we don't have any clue as to what we are talking about and told we need to go back to school to learn basic science, this is not how things work here. we share information, asked to be challenged in our assumptions and task others with replicating the results we discover.
a case in point is the recent threads and posts made by GN about microcoils being the only thing that works correctly, and if they werent proof it is the only thing that works everyone wouldnt use them.
all it takes is a trip to the RBA forums to see the MC thread to learn that the micro concept and all the variations since is relatively new and only in use for a few months. they do work better, but in many cases when something works better for vaping it does not mean the old way does not work at all, and this is an assumption GN has carried in his conclusions since his first post.
we are trying to advance vaping and enhance our experience, not argue about scientific evidence that is clearly wrong.
to many of the newer people here, It must be stated that vaping has come a long way because of the continual sharing of information on ECF. you may not know or realize there was a time someone showed up with a syringe body strapped on a carto with some Orings as a concept of what we now call a carto tank. Or remember the time a modder showed up with a tank full of stainless steel mesh that he dubbed a Genesis tank.
When a discovery is made or new information uncovered many here will delight in sharing in your new found ways of doing things and be happy to try and further this advancement with their own way of replicating these results, but you will not be accepted if you come here with the intention of spewing bad science, erroneous claims and zero evidence to back up your conclusions.
In the end people ask for help, and many many members are more then willing to give all the time they can spare, even to the point of exhaustion, I for one have spent countless hours in PM's working angle after angle with some people until it clicks or they finally get it, and I am more then happy to do so - If your really trying to learn something -.
While no one likes being wrong, in the same sense if someone finds my information to be incorrect, I welcome being corrected as now i can share the corrected information with the next person to ask and know we are all better off for it.
you do not come here to ask for help, and then when everyone replies with suggestions tell them you are smarter then they will ever be and the information is incorrect and faulty. so it is seen as troll bait or argumentative behavior, because in the end if you already know the answer - why did you ask us for help? this constant air of superiority over the other members is not acceptable and will, as seen, cause nothing but friction.
Quite simply if you back track on GN's threads you will see since post one I have been telling him clearomizers are cheaply made, have a high failure rate and that it would be in his best interest to move on, yet, we are still 500 posts later, arguing about the quality of clearomizer coils.
to state you have been through roughly 30 devices with the exact same failure rate and poor results while denying there is any chance you could be at fault is not going to ever get anywhere. we have been insulted, called shills and secret vendor employees and the whole community at large on ECF is at fault for his failures, and it is never him, never any chance he just doesn't know what he is doing and after a certain point being nice is no longer an option. I have taken to mostly ignoring his threads the best I can but I still think it is a great disservice to the newer people here who may in fact take his assumptions as fact if we don;t try to at least correct his information.
the last thing we need is new people asserting his accusations and false assumptions as fact and having more people perpetuate this incorrect knowledge to other vapors as well.
we look stupid, you look stupid and the nonsense does nothing to further the community as a whole, we need to move forward, we need to have facts, and we need to make sure everyone knows what they are doing and that the community isnt taken for spreading false knowledge, we have a hard enough time now not looking like snake oil peddlers, and to say "see look at the bedroom science these guys are using" will only hurt us more.
if GN or ANYONE want's to come here and have a debate about factual evidence you will find everyone here will be more then happy to embrace these findings, but junk science and off the wall theories are not welcome or needed.
if people just want to argue that the bad results they alone are experiencing is indeed a fact of vaping, refuse any and all suggestions, and just be annoying you will not make any friends.
I see people defending GN's position and saying many shouldnt attack his posts.
here is whats wrong with this:
ECF is a collective, we share ideas and spread common knowledge, when we think we have something that may further everyones knowledge and experience, we share this information in the hope others will try to replicate or improve on these findings, in many cases this is stated as our experience with XXXXX not as "I did it so it is a fact!"
Many new people come here to further their knowledge of vaping and to enhance their vaping experience, If someone comes and posts erroneous information as fact and no one replies it will be seen as "wow this guy knows his stuff and must be correct as no one is even challenging this information"
In the case of GoodNews when we do challenge this information we are told we are wrong, we don't have any clue as to what we are talking about and told we need to go back to school to learn basic science, this is not how things work here. we share information, asked to be challenged in our assumptions and task others with replicating the results we discover.
a case in point is the recent threads and posts made by GN about microcoils being the only thing that works correctly, and if they werent proof it is the only thing that works everyone wouldnt use them.
all it takes is a trip to the RBA forums to see the MC thread to learn that the micro concept and all the variations since is relatively new and only in use for a few months. they do work better, but in many cases when something works better for vaping it does not mean the old way does not work at all, and this is an assumption GN has carried in his conclusions since his first post.
we are trying to advance vaping and enhance our experience, not argue about scientific evidence that is clearly wrong.
to many of the newer people here, It must be stated that vaping has come a long way because of the continual sharing of information on ECF. you may not know or realize there was a time someone showed up with a syringe body strapped on a carto with some Orings as a concept of what we now call a carto tank. Or remember the time a modder showed up with a tank full of stainless steel mesh that he dubbed a Genesis tank.
When a discovery is made or new information uncovered many here will delight in sharing in your new found ways of doing things and be happy to try and further this advancement with their own way of replicating these results, but you will not be accepted if you come here with the intention of spewing bad science, erroneous claims and zero evidence to back up your conclusions.
In the end people ask for help, and many many members are more then willing to give all the time they can spare, even to the point of exhaustion, I for one have spent countless hours in PM's working angle after angle with some people until it clicks or they finally get it, and I am more then happy to do so - If your really trying to learn something -.
While no one likes being wrong, in the same sense if someone finds my information to be incorrect, I welcome being corrected as now i can share the corrected information with the next person to ask and know we are all better off for it.
you do not come here to ask for help, and then when everyone replies with suggestions tell them you are smarter then they will ever be and the information is incorrect and faulty. so it is seen as troll bait or argumentative behavior, because in the end if you already know the answer - why did you ask us for help? this constant air of superiority over the other members is not acceptable and will, as seen, cause nothing but friction.
Quite simply if you back track on GN's threads you will see since post one I have been telling him clearomizers are cheaply made, have a high failure rate and that it would be in his best interest to move on, yet, we are still 500 posts later, arguing about the quality of clearomizer coils.
to state you have been through roughly 30 devices with the exact same failure rate and poor results while denying there is any chance you could be at fault is not going to ever get anywhere. we have been insulted, called shills and secret vendor employees and the whole community at large on ECF is at fault for his failures, and it is never him, never any chance he just doesn't know what he is doing and after a certain point being nice is no longer an option. I have taken to mostly ignoring his threads the best I can but I still think it is a great disservice to the newer people here who may in fact take his assumptions as fact if we don;t try to at least correct his information.
the last thing we need is new people asserting his accusations and false assumptions as fact and having more people perpetuate this incorrect knowledge to other vapors as well.
we look stupid, you look stupid and the nonsense does nothing to further the community as a whole, we need to move forward, we need to have facts, and we need to make sure everyone knows what they are doing and that the community isnt taken for spreading false knowledge, we have a hard enough time now not looking like snake oil peddlers, and to say "see look at the bedroom science these guys are using" will only hurt us more.
if GN or ANYONE want's to come here and have a debate about factual evidence you will find everyone here will be more then happy to embrace these findings, but junk science and off the wall theories are not welcome or needed.
if people just want to argue that the bad results they alone are experiencing is indeed a fact of vaping, refuse any and all suggestions, and just be annoying you will not make any friends.
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I agree whole heartedly Thrasher! I may not comment on these threads but I've been following along.
I see some of the most helpful people on here get so riled up by the "science" spouted out on these threads and it disgusts me to see knowledgeable people get insulted over and over and over by the OP. And I've definitely seen a pattern of starting new threads with the information previously shared in another thread used as his own discovery (with no credit given)
I myself am still pretty new at this (since October). I've read through and I am now using a provari with a cartotank that I absolutely love thanks to all of you.
Hopefully no new folks make the same mistake I did initially and take any stock in any of his "reviews" (Fortunately I was disabused of the notion this particular OP was an expert pretty quickly)
Here's hoping the vacation helps him find a new forum to troll and he does not return.
(apologies if this doesn't make sense, I haven't had any coffee yet)
I see some of the most helpful people on here get so riled up by the "science" spouted out on these threads and it disgusts me to see knowledgeable people get insulted over and over and over by the OP. And I've definitely seen a pattern of starting new threads with the information previously shared in another thread used as his own discovery (with no credit given)
I myself am still pretty new at this (since October). I've read through and I am now using a provari with a cartotank that I absolutely love thanks to all of you.
Hopefully no new folks make the same mistake I did initially and take any stock in any of his "reviews" (Fortunately I was disabused of the notion this particular OP was an expert pretty quickly)
Here's hoping the vacation helps him find a new forum to troll and he does not return.
(apologies if this doesn't make sense, I haven't had any coffee yet)
Can you back this up? Please post a link. Pics would be great. Try tilting your keyboard. And, well said.
..........so what is the consensus if you have a glass of blood orange juice? Or Tangelo juice?..........hmmm..so many variables..and what about hickory smoked vs maple smoked bacon?
And does vaping Peanut butter ejuice cause an allergic reaction to non-vapers who have a sensitivity to peanuts?
And does vaping Peanut butter ejuice cause an allergic reaction to non-vapers who have a sensitivity to peanuts?
The peanut allergy thing was the must valuable info on this thread. Nope!! I vape maple peanutbutter but had never even considered allergies...whew!!
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I have to say as well to many of the newer people - there is constant chatter in places like general discussion and the rba forums, and new ideas and ways of doing things pop up regularly, but if you want to see some really deep brain racking thinking and how hard the community is really working on advancing things head over to the actual modders forums and see what the mad scientists are cooking up.
then head over to some of the german forums and look at the insane things those guys are doing as well.
some of their discoveries and ideas are truly exceptional. and more often then you think some wild concept makes its way out into the wild. all those crazy tanks, rebuldables, coils, and ideas you see at your local vendors dont just pop out of thin air one day.
when a theory pops up, say, how airflow effects things, this isnt one or two people figuring this out, or stating "I know because I did it" - the idea gets stated and scored of people go off the deep end testing it, working different angles, spreading their findings, sharing their conclusions, analyzing and conceptualizing, trying differnt things then sharing until eveyron can replicate the results. and for someone to come in and state "you dont have a clue what your talking about" is showing your true lack of understanding whats really going on out there.
then head over to some of the german forums and look at the insane things those guys are doing as well.
some of their discoveries and ideas are truly exceptional. and more often then you think some wild concept makes its way out into the wild. all those crazy tanks, rebuldables, coils, and ideas you see at your local vendors dont just pop out of thin air one day.
when a theory pops up, say, how airflow effects things, this isnt one or two people figuring this out, or stating "I know because I did it" - the idea gets stated and scored of people go off the deep end testing it, working different angles, spreading their findings, sharing their conclusions, analyzing and conceptualizing, trying differnt things then sharing until eveyron can replicate the results. and for someone to come in and state "you dont have a clue what your talking about" is showing your true lack of understanding whats really going on out there.
If GN was not brought down to earth, he would have continued spouting his theories and "advise" to the new members. I noticed a few posts by him giving advice to new members (yeah, I admit. I was stalking him). Advice from someone who can't get his gear functioning?
I have no problems with discussions or opinions, but when someone says this,
" I was pretty much right with wrong terms. So there was no real reason to behave any different than if my information was correct. The effect is the SAME."
I would say he needs to be corrected on his e.q and thinking pronto.
Some may think I'm kicking him while he's down and can't reply, but I WANT him read what I really think about his "theories".
Put forth your theory and we can try it and the discuss. But not if you're adamant that the "theory" is definitely correct for everyone. It may work for one but not another. My vape may rock me but taste like rotten socks to you.
Hope that he finds something that works for him.
I have no problems with discussions or opinions, but when someone says this,
" I was pretty much right with wrong terms. So there was no real reason to behave any different than if my information was correct. The effect is the SAME."
I would say he needs to be corrected on his e.q and thinking pronto.
Some may think I'm kicking him while he's down and can't reply, but I WANT him read what I really think about his "theories".
Put forth your theory and we can try it and the discuss. But not if you're adamant that the "theory" is definitely correct for everyone. It may work for one but not another. My vape may rock me but taste like rotten socks to you.
Hope that he finds something that works for him.
That's a relief.I think a lot of haven't seen something so far into the ditch before, so we're a lit'l gun shy.
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