The Poldiac Fan Club

[Cloud Wizard]

Yeah more fireworks even after the 4th of July

I think there's a happy medium somewhere between "if it doesn't work get a bigger hammer" and the "the sky is falling". Over the years, I've found myself in both camps for various situations. I think the bottom line is DIDers pay-it-forward by helping the folks if possible and when self-help remedies aren't sufficient we have Jim and MMV to bail us out.

Then again, I could just be trying to get both teams angry
(only the Shadow knows...)

 

[MiriamWTH]

Jim is one hell of a guy that places his customers happiness before his own!

He is on a short holiday at the moment with his wife and baby but when I contacted him about the issue this evening the first thing he was thinking off was coming back to the shop to see how he can fix this!
He will probably slap me on the head for telling you guys this..... But I don't care, I just wanted to share with you guys how high he regards his customers!

Jim I take my Hat off for you!

 

[Tonytiger1]

Yeah more fireworks even after the 4th of July

I think there's a happy medium somewhere between "if it doesn't work get a bigger hammer" and the "the sky is falling". Over the years, I've found myself in both camps for various situations. I think the bottom line is DIDers pay-it-forward by helping the folks if possible and when self-help remedies aren't sufficient we have Jim and MMV to bail us out.

Then again, I could just be trying to get both teams angry
(only the Shadow knows...)

Agree


Tony

 

[BobasDaddy]

Just slapped all my aforementioned atty's on my old "crap" K100. Fit like a butter-filled glove.

Not a fully scientific test, to be sure, but kinda throws a wrench in the "all 510 connections are different" argument.

 

[Tonytiger1]

Just slapped all my aforementioned atty's on my old "crap" K100. Fit like a butter-filled glove.

Not a fully scientific test, to be sure, but kinda throws a wrench in the "all 510 connections are different" argument.

I guess all you guys are right. I'll try not to help in the future unless asked.


Tony

 

[Uma]

That's good to know, thanks for clearing that up for me Tony. (re mad at me)

Wait, you know, I think I've misread ... MostApha is having a problem with the topcap threading on properly, not the attys. Way different from the little burp I had with mine that was so easily & quickly fixed. That's just weird, and that's the first time I've heard that happening, but then again, I may not of "heard" right, visioned right. My bad. I so hope it gets solved quickly.

Bobasdaddy, I know you mean well, but the China Clone has a looser threading, the tolerance is not tight at all. It will wobble some attys, (varying degrees) while others sit snug. They should all be snug for great connection. The little bit of play or airtime at all, breaks the connection, lowers the performance, just as bad as dirty threads and contacts do.

LOL CW, only the shadow knows. Somebody catch that shadow, it's time for some serious interrogating...

 

[Uma]

The china 510 connections threading are soft, they're easy enough to bend, get out of alignment if one wants to. But ones like the Poldiac's are strong and sturdy, it's a totally different material. Even the color & weight are different right.
I'd have to get a K100 and compare in order to make this a 100% correct statement, but I bet I'm not far off.

 

[ThePravus]

Anyone ever modified a top cap for airflow? Was thinking about buying a second cap and cutting some slots. Or if I get fancy, some holes though the side where the slots are kind of like the vents on the bottom.

 

[Tonytiger1]

That's good to know, thanks for clearing that up for me Tony. (re mad at me)

Wait, you know, I think I've misread ... MostApha is having a problem with the topcap threading on properly, not the attys. Way different from the little burp I had with mine that was so easily & quickly fixed. That's just weird, and that's the first time I've heard that happening, but then again, I may not of "heard" right, visioned right. My bad. I so hope it gets solved quickly.

Bobasdaddy, I know you mean well, but the China Clone has a looser threading, the tolerance is not tight at all. It will wobble some attys, (varying degrees) while others sit snug. They should all be snug for great connection. The little bit of play or airtime at all, breaks the connection, lowers the performance, just as bad as dirty threads and contacts do.

LOL CW, only the shadow knows. Somebody catch that shadow, it's time for some serious interrogating...

Don't waist your time. They dont want to understand what a quality mod is. Want plug and play.


Tony

 

[Cloud Wizard]

I guess for clarity, a "510" is a "510". The standard size and pitch are 7.0mm X .5 (7mm x .5 High Speed Steel Plug Tap - Amazon.com). The standard doesn't change but the tolerances may vary depending on tooling and/or manufacturing process.

I also have a couple cheap mods that fit anything mainly because they have actually been cut with a greater tolerance (less precision), but the tolerance in the MMV process is very exact. If the atty manufacturer has allowed sizing to vary it is possible to have the issue folks are seeing.

Me, I've not yet encountered a set of threads I couldn't break-in if too snug when brand new (using the pull on insert/push on extraction method and/or insert from underside). Of note, the MMV SS is also very hard so using anything to chase the threads that is brass (or softer SS) can damage the atty threads instead of cleaning the Poldiac threads.

All that having been said, I think it's perfectly reasonable for people having this issue that either can't fix it themselves or don't want to (which I think is also perfectly reasonable) to reach out to Jim/MMV to get it fixed. Appropriate first step is to contact MMV support at support@mmvapors.com

 

[Cloud Wizard]

Anyone ever modified a top cap for airflow? Was thinking about buying a second cap and cutting some slots. Or if I get fancy, some holes though the side where the slots are kind of like the vents on the bottom.

If you leave the 2 fat o-rings out of the button housing, bottom breathers can get air through the battery tube. I know it's not a recommended configuration (may be a safety thing?), but I can't figure out why not so do use it that way for dripping a 306 cannon...

 

[Cloud Wizard]

Don't waist your time. They dont want to understand what a quality mod is. Want plug and play.

Tony

What, run out of milk for the corn flakes?

 

[Tonytiger1]

What, run out of milk for the corn flakes?View attachment 229390

Lol



Tony

 

[Uma]

Anyone ever modified a top cap for airflow? Was thinking about buying a second cap and cutting some slots. Or if I get fancy, some holes though the side where the slots are kind of like the vents on the bottom.

That's a great idea for those times you need it. There was talk at the beginning of the Poldiac intro in the world, of doing just that. I haven't heard anything since. Glad you brought it up.

 

[ThePravus]

If you leave the 2 fat o-rings out of the button housing, bottom breathers can get air through the battery tube. I know it's not a recommended configuration (may be a safety thing?), but I can't figure out why not so do use it that way for dripping a 306 cannon...

Yeah, I'm not super comfortable pulling air past the battery. I'm sure its 99% safe, but just doesn't sound like a great idea.

 

[mostapha]

Wait, you know, I think I've misread ... MostApha is having a problem with the topcap threading on properly, not the attys.

No, it's atties not screwing onto the top cap. See the list below.

MostApha, I feel for you! I hope this gets solved soon. <snip>

Yeah, so...I got the same advice and did that. I'm sure it was just a tap near the end of its life, and that's why I'm not fussed. More will fit on it now, but it's taken some serious work. I nicked a chunk out of my palm doing that push/pull thing with a cartomizer. I was honestly worried that I was going to flat-out break the top cap, but what happens is that my DID screws in now. It's rough, even after cleaning the threads with contact cleaner, but it screws on.

I'll just go buy a nice tap at some point. Seems like it's not a bad thing to have now that I've had 510 issues.

Put crap on a quality mod and support that crap. Wheres the defect ?

What of this counts as crap quality:

3 Fatty v2s
An entire box of Boge cartomizers.
An hh.357.
An avid vaper 510 to 901 adatper.
2 Tridents
A DID (yes, the MMV one, not a clone)
2 Atmistique Divers

If you'll go back to my first question, you'll find that I knew cheap atties could be at fault and that I was waiting to contact MMV until I treid something more on the Poldiac's level.

That's the list of stuff that wouldn't fit on my Poldiac until I started really man-handling it to condition the threads as you guys suggested. Now, the DID fits, most of the cartos, and one of the Divers. The rest still don't, but it's fine. I've been using it with a Fatty v2, but I bought it in person...and we had to try 4 of them to get one that fit. Also, all of it fits on my Silver Bullet, my Provari, and my Gus. None of them are as "nice" as the Poldiac, but their 510 connections fit more stuff. I get that tight tolerances are a thing and that's probably part of why the Poldiac seems to hit better. But, it doesn't matter how well it hits if nothing will screw onto it.

I've never respected the squeaky wheel gets the grease approach. That's all.

If I hadn't asked for advice, I would have returned or sold the Poldiac on day 1. I think I came out on top, since at least I can use it now.

Don't waist your time. They dont want to understand what a quality mod is. Want plug and play.

You and I have very different definitions of the word Quality.

Why are you being such an ? I have never said that the Poldiac is a bad device or that MMV is a bad company or that Jim is a bad guy.

I've said that something was wrong with my top cap and that I was slightly disappointed with the customer support I got from clicking "contact me" on their website. And that was only because of what people ITT said MMV would probably do.

It's a good thing you're a fanboy of a device people generally respect. You wouldn't last 5 posts in a Provari thread if you're getting defensive because some guy wants the mod to be awesome and doesn't feel like paying $30 in shipping to maybe get a replacement for a $30 part.

IDK...maybe it was the "not buying a second as quickly" comment you misunderstood. The old list (if they'd just offered to mail me a top cap) was 2nd Poldiac, 2nd Reo, Nemesis, list for a vela. Now, it's 2nd Reo, Nemesis, list for a vela, 2nd Poldiac.

I don't see how you can take that as an insult.

 

[vapspaz]

The standard doesn't change but the tolerances may vary depending on tooling and/or manufacturing process.

I also have a couple cheap mods that fit anything mainly because they have actually been cut with a greater tolerance (less precision), but the tolerance in the MMV process is very exact. If the atty manufacturer has allowed sizing to vary it is possible to have the issue folks are seeing.

All that having been said, I think it's perfectly reasonable for people having this issue that either can't fix it themselves or don't want to (which I think is also perfectly reasonable) to reach out to Jim/MMV to get it fixed. Appropriate first step is to contact MMV support at support@mmvapors.com

^^^^^^^^^^^^
+10 on this post.

I will put money on this as being the culprit of some peoples problems with the 510 threads. There are different tolerance plug and ring gages to measure male & female threads and most likely Jim is holding his threads (female) to a very tight tolerance and then folks are trying to screw (male) atty's or cartos into it that have a much more "relaxed" tolerance that might be slightly outside the range and this is where the trouble starts.
I know this sounds crazy but I'm going to guess that once Jim finishes his investigation on these current issues, he will "open" his tolerances up a little to allow for a more broader spectrum of different tolerance threads to fit. This is a delicate act because if the threads are "relaxed" to much then we will see the dreaded "wobble" effect that most other PV's have that are out there.

But as a side note, one can not rule out a possible flaw or bur that can and always will occur in any man made devise/product. Ask Uma.
chit does happen.











Now can we all hold hands and sing kumbaya together.

 

[Cloud Wizard]

Hey Vap, check this out

It will attach to my center pouch on the console and the can be looped over my belt when out abd about...

 

[Tonytiger1]

No, it's atties not screwing onto the top cap. See the list below.



Yeah, so...I got the same advice and did that. I'm sure it was just a tap near the end of its life, and that's why I'm not fussed. More will fit on it now, but it's taken some serious work. I nicked a chunk out of my palm doing that push/pull thing with a cartomizer. I was honestly worried that I was going to flat-out break the top cap, but what happens is that my DID screws in now. It's rough, even after cleaning the threads with contact cleaner, but it screws on.

I'll just go buy a nice tap at some point. Seems like it's not a bad thing to have now that I've had 510 issues.



What of this counts as crap quality:

3 Fatty v2s
An entire box of Boge cartomizers.
An hh.357.
An avid vaper 510 to 901 adatper.
2 Tridents
A DID (yes, the MMV one, not a clone)
2 Atmistique Divers

If you'll go back to my first question, you'll find that I knew cheap atties could be at fault and that I was waiting to contact MMV until I treid something more on the Poldiac's level.

That's the list of stuff that wouldn't fit on my Poldiac until I started really man-handling it to condition the threads as you guys suggested. Now, the DID fits, most of the cartos, and one of the Divers. The rest still don't, but it's fine. I've been using it with a Fatty v2, but I bought it in person...and we had to try 4 of them to get one that fit. Also, all of it fits on my Silver Bullet, my Provari, and my Gus. None of them are as "nice" as the Poldiac, but their 510 connections fit more stuff. I get that tight tolerances are a thing and that's probably part of why the Poldiac seems to hit better. But, it doesn't matter how well it hits if nothing will screw onto it.



If I hadn't asked for advice, I would have returned or sold the Poldiac on day 1. I think I came out on top, since at least I can use it now.



You and I have very different definitions of the word Quality.

Why are you being such an ? I have never said that the Poldiac is a bad device or that MMV is a bad company or that Jim is a bad guy.

I've said that something was wrong with my top cap and that I was slightly disappointed with the customer support I got from clicking "contact me" on their website. And that was only because of what people ITT said MMV would probably do.

It's a good thing you're a fanboy of a device people generally respect. You wouldn't last 5 posts in a Provari thread if you're getting defensive because some guy wants the mod to be awesome and doesn't feel like paying $30 in shipping to maybe get a replacement for a $30 part.

IDK...maybe it was the "not buying a second as quickly" comment you misunderstood. The old list (if they'd just offered to mail me a top cap) was 2nd Poldiac, 2nd Reo, Nemesis, list for a vela. Now, it's 2nd Reo, Nemesis, list for a vela, 2nd Poldiac.

I don't see how you can take that as an insult.

10% of people are like you. Glad you learned more about your product It's a shame you have to try to damage reputation before you do. Maybe a life lesson.


Tony

 

[Tonytiger1]

10% of people are like you. Glad you learned more about your product It's a shame you have to try to damage reputation before you do. Maybe a life lesson.


Tony

Ps guys like you are a ground ball. Bring it provari


Tony