the safety of flavorings

[chanelvaps]

Only been doing DIY for a year or so and have amassed a boatload of flavorings. I like FA the most (wish I would have known that before I bought 100's of TFA lol)
I have recently converted a long time friend to vaping. She is extremely health conscious (I know the oxymoron of health conscious and smoking so no need to point it out)
She is concerned with the flavoring being safe for inhalation. I cannot answer her questions because I do not have the knowledge myself.
Are some safer than others? How about Natures Flavorings which claim to be all organic?
How about Kind juice which claims to use only natural extracts instead of synthetic?
Are the flavorings we use synthetic even when they say extracts?
Love some input to these questions by any folks in the know

 

[DaveP]

Only been doing DIY for a year or so and have amassed a boatload of flavorings. I like FA the most (wish I would have known that before I bought 100's of TFA lol)
I have recently converted a long time friend to vaping. She is extremely health conscious (I know the oxymoron of health conscious and smoking so no need to point it out)
She is concerned with the flavoring being safe for inhalation. I cannot answer her questions because I do not have the knowledge myself.
Are some safer than others? How about Natures Flavorings which claim to be all organic?
How about Kind Juice which claims to use only natural extracts instead of synthetic?
Are the flavorings we use synthetic even when they say extracts?
Love some input to these questions by any folks in the know

Those with more knowledge than I will reply here, but the safest way to vape is considered to be unflavored. PG, VG, and Nicotine aren't nearly as chancy as the flavorings we add. Buttery and Creamy flavors get the blame when diacetyl, acetyl propionyl and acetoin are added to enhance the flavor. Those fall into the category of Diketones.

Less flavor is better and the worst are thought to be in the Creamy category.

What You Need To Know About Diketones And E-Liquid Ingredients

 

[chanelvaps]

Those with more knowledge than I will reply here, but the safest way to vape is considered to be unflavored. PG, VG, and Nicotine aren't nearly as chancy as the flavorings we add. Buttery and Creamy flavors get the blame when diacetyl, acetyl propionyl and acetoin are added to enhance the flavor. Those fall into the category of Diketones.

Less flavor is better and the worst are thought to be in the Creamy category.

What You Need To Know About Diketones And E-Liquid Ingredients

thank you, I am aware of unflavored. I am looking for information pertaining to flavors, as in basic flavors. I am also aware of diacetyl and acetyl propionyl so please folks do not bother to educate me on that

 

[chanelvaps]

So the question is:
Are some of the basic flavors, say like Strawberry and maybe Coffee, if they say they are organic, still synthetic? Are extracts really synthetic flavors? Are synthentic flavors safe for vaping?

 

[JCinFLA]

thank you, I am aware of unflavored. I am looking for information pertaining to flavors, as in basic flavors. I am also aware of diacetyl and acetyl propionyl so please folks do not bother to educate me on that

In light of the tone of your response above to DaveP's post, maybe Google would be your best bet.

 

[OlderNDirt]

In light of the tone of your response above to DaveP's post, maybe Google would be your best bet.

Or fund an in-depth scientific study.

 

[jambi]

@DaveP pretty much summed up the major concern regarding flavorings. If you're already aware of that, you're as informed as any of us.

Hence, your "Organic vs. Synthetic" question, as pertaining to the relative safety of either/or, isn't answerable in concrete terms. How are we even defining organic? Diacetyl is an organic compound.

I'd say, if your friend opts for the .29 cent "organic" bananas, either because she feels morally obligated or legitimately believes that they are "safer" than the .19 cent "regular" bananas, then she probably shouldn't get involved in something with so many unanswered "safety" questions as vaping.

 

[chanelvaps]

@DaveP pretty much summed up the major concern regarding flavorings. If you're already aware of that, you're as informed as any of us.

Hence, your "Organic vs. Synthetic" question, as pertaining to the relative safety of either/or, isn't answerable in concrete terms. How are we even defining organic? Diacetyl is an organic compound.

I'd say, if your friend opts for the .29 cent "organic" bananas, either because she feels morally obligated or legitimately believes that they are "safer" than the .19 cent "regular" bananas, then she probably shouldn't get involved in something with so many unanswered "safety" questions as vaping.

I see.I appreciate your input. I will leave thread open and hope someone comes along that knows more. I agree with most of your reply except for the last statement. Telling someone to not be involved in vaping when it might be saving her life is not my style. Vaping is much safer than smoking and she is trying to quit that. Nothing wrong with trying to find answers to ones questions so I told her I would ask

 

[Train2]

I think the answer to the primary question is "no one knows".
Inhalation of relatively tiny amounts of vaporized food-safe flavorings HAS NOT BEEN STUDIED properly. Yet.
There's just no data.
There's logical presumption, and some anecdotal info - but no actual studies.

I see.I appreciate your input. I will leave thread open and hope someone comes along that knows more. I agree with most of your reply except for the last statement. Telling someone to not be involved in vaping when it might be saving her life is not my style. Vaping is much safer than smoking and she is trying to quit that. Nothing wrong with trying to find answers to ones questions so I told her I would ask

Edit to add -
Also note - it could turn out that synthetics are safer than organics...just sayin'...

 

[chanelvaps]

I think the answer to the primary question is "no one knows".
Inhalation of relatively tiny amounts of vaporized food-safe flavorings HAS NOT BEEN STUDIED properly. Yet.
There's just no data.
There's logical presumption, and some anecdotal info - but no actual studies.

Thanks Train. I appreciate your well put response. These are the kind of answers I am looking for. Whether someone knows or not. I plan to just pass the thread along to her to show her the input from others. Unfortunately she will have to scroll through the other responses. Thank you very much

 

[DaveP]

Since flavors were in many cases meant to be ingested and not inhaled we may have to wait for some lab data to determine safety of vaping flavors. In the meantime I'll continue to inhale infrequently and shallowly and just let the nic absorb mostly through my mouth and nasal passages.

 

[Cool_Breeze]

chanelvaps - There's not a whole lot of scientific expertise to be found on this site. In particular there is little on flavorings.

Most of what is found here comes from a few sources, whether credible or not, and gets amplified through continual repetition.

 

[chanelvaps]

chanelvaps - There's not a whole lot of scientific expertise to be found on this site. In particular there is little on flavorings.

Most of what is found here comes from a few sources, whether credible or not, and gets amplified through continual repetition.

Aha. Like the game of telephone eh? Thanks CB.

 

[mhertz]

Our resident chemist here, Kurt Kistler, has guested in a video where he talks alot about the safety of flavorings(all, not just the ususal suspects like creams etc), or rather the unknown aspect of it, as said... In short, as said, we don't know yet, and the impact can range from mild irritations to chronic issues. I think there's also answered about organic vs chemical flavorings and such if i remember right.

 

[OlderNDirt]

In short, as said, we don't know yet, and the impact can range from mild irritations to chronic issues.

Could it also be stated as ranging from imperceptible to melting into a pool of goo? If the conclusions drawn are that far ranging, I'll pass on the lengthy video. Those that are highly concerned and searching for answers probably should give it their undivided attention.

 

[chanelvaps]

sometimes that 'ignore' button is darn right AWESOME

 

[OlderNDirt]

sometimes that 'ignore' button is darn right AWESOME

Since that immediately followed my post, appears it is directed at me and my statement, "Those that are highly concerned and searching for answers probably should give it their undivided attention."

If you are taking extreme exception to that, an old Paul Simon line comes to mind:

"A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest."

If your post was not a response to mine, that line may very well still apply.

 

[mhertz]

What in my posting annoyed you please, if you don't mind me asking? Just currious I know the question had already been answered, but the link was to get it directly from someone actually knowing what the issue(s) is...

Edit: lol, i'm an idiot it seems, as if i'm on his ignore list then hes obviously not going to be able to read my postings then

Edit2: Hmm, now i'm also in doubt about which it was related at, lol. Though I don't see anything wrong with OlderNDirt's posting either whatsoever.

 

[chanelvaps]

mhertz, you are in no way on the ignore list. I found your info invaluable and just what I am looking for to send to my friend

 

[chanelvaps]

Folks please try to remember I am sending this thread to a friend who is very busy and just wants the facts. If you do not have anything pertinent to say please take nonsense elsewhere.