The smoking gun... WE WIN!

[the_antisheep]

Study: 'Electronic cigarettes' don't deliver - CNN.com

They are stating that we don't get nicotine from our vapor devices.

CASE CLOSED, WE WIN! So this means there is no reason to ban them... RIGHT?

 

[Lab]

the person that did this study came to the site and posted for a bit. someone probably has the link.. either way ppl here told him to try some other devices and he did the study on his own and found they did give nicotine not sure if he re-did his study officially though

 

[CES]

If only it was quite that easy. This thread covers a lot of it http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/e-cigarette-news/69409-cnn-com-today.html

The short version is that the study wasn't done well, and even if the study was correct the FDA would use no nic delivery (not working as advertised) as a reason to ban.

Great try though!

 

[the_antisheep]

If only it was quite that easy. This thread covers a lot of it http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/e-cigarette-news/69409-cnn-com-today.html

The short version is that the study wasn't done well, and the FDA would use no nic delivery (not working as advertised) as a reason to ban.

Great try though!

What a shame... The vapor community should not have fought it... This could have been the proof that the community needed in winning the case by stating there were virtually NO harmful substances at all in ecigs...

 

[kackourey]

disregard this post.

 

[D103]

What a shame... The vapor community should not have fought it... This could have been the proof that the community needed in winning the case by stating there were virtually NO harmful substances at all in ecigs...

the_antisheep, you are forgetting about...THE ANTIFREEZE...The FDA's (so-called) study found a component (which now they and others are saying components) found in ANTIFREEZE....WHOAAA, NOOOO.
And now the official Position Paper of the AHA, ALA, and the ACS all refer to that FDA study that found component(s) of ANTIFREEZE...to support their position in favor of banning e-cigarettes altogether. They, of course fail to mention how that very same study was shredded by peer review and found to be scientifically insufficient and virtually unreliable and misleading, not to mention the things the FDA did NOT report to the public. Nope, I fear what so many have reported on here is true - it is not about evidence, the truth, scientific validity, or the public health......it's ALL about MONEY and delusional ideology that will continue to be, at least partially, responsible for the more than 400,000 American deaths annually.

 

[gashin]

Lol we need more studies like this...

 

[Winslow]

and even if the study was correct the FDA would use no nic delivery (not working as advertised) as a reason to ban.

What they said.^


The irony of how this parallels other current drug prohibitions is astounding. The only science making it to the news is bad science.

Welcome to america, the land of the free (as approved by the FDA based on FDA-approved reasearch).

 

[mendnwngs]

water is an ingredient in antifreeze, too.

 

[Badass45]

Well if it has water from down here in it it needs to be banned as the water will have oil in it also.
Hmm, wonder if the FDA will ban drinking water in the south as it will have oil in it.

Do we believe the same group of people that also told us Iraq had weapons of mass destruction? and all the other lies they have told us only to gain more money for them to give out to everybody else but the working class americans?

 

[jiff]

The fda will ban it because it works.

The fda will ban it because it doesn't work.

The fda will ban it for their own political agenda.