Will Changing the E-cig name keep them off the ban list?

[bluecat]

I also quit using an "ecig". To me, this is the ONLY nicotine delivery system that worked for me, and like you, the name is what got me turned onto vaping.

I think regulations are coming, and it's sad they can't see just how safe and effective they are for people who want to quit killing themselves with smoking.

We are over regulated, over taxed and told we can not take care of ourselves. For some reason, the US just keeps voting more "yahoo's" into government. Then when we get some "changers" into office, they all "step in line" with the old boy/girl network.

I don't want the government forcing me into a way of life.

If they are so worried they should take some of the Obamacare money and put it towards testing. Also instead of building a bridge in Alaska they could use some of that money. Better yet instead of giving a 500 million grant to study the effect of salt molecule in the antarctic maybe they could shove some of that money over. By the way, I still have a full bottle of little blue pills the doc prescribed to me a few years ago that would get me to stop smoking.

Imagine, all it really took was a little e-cig.

 

[bluecat]

Where did that come from? That statement seems to go against the prevailing wisdom as far as I can tell.

When I first started to DIY about 10 months ago, I believe I read the same thing. If you look at the DIY forums for recent posts it seems no one is sure of the life in the fridge. Some reports of 3-4 years with it still looking crystal clear.

 

[djtonyb]

If anything becomes regulated, it'd be those high nic level juices (above 100 mg/mL ?), which no one in their right mind sells, or uses.

Umm... there's plenty of places that sell DIY that offer 100mg base. There's plenty of DIYers that regularly use 100mg base to make their own juice. I order 36mg base and dilute it down to 6mg when making my liquids, but I'm going to get a couple of bottles of 100mg to freeze. While it may be arguable that I am in my right mind, it's not because I'm thinking about buying 100mg nic base...

 

[carcamper88]

I think they probably use that 100mg base to dilute into 'usable' concentrations. Either that or they have really short vape sessions. One hit... done!

But back on the topic, changing the name won't do anything. The media and other hippies will still call them electronic cigarettes just to associate back to the evil analogs. Unknowing sheep will see 'cigarettes' and automatically hate it.

 

[DC2]

I'm only going off what I've read on ecf, mainly the DIY boards. I have never frozen any nic. I thought 3 years was the maximum shelf life even if frozen.

What I've been reading from the various chemists and such is that we can expecting at least 10 years if done properly.
And possibly indefinitely.

This is a good thread to read...
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...term-unflavored-nic-storage.html#post10484578

The thread starter is actually testing their frozen nicotine as time passes.
The above thread reports the most recent progress.


This question is important to me because I have 10 years worth in the freezer.
So any additional input is appreciated.

 

[djtonyb]

To be clear, you always dilute 100mg/ml nic down if you are using it.

 

[reviewguy777]

[/QUOTE]It does not matter what you call them because there isn't going to ever be a ban on the devices. There is only one choke point in the whole system that makes any sense. That is the nicotine itself. A federal court has already said that an e-cig is not a drug delivery device and thus it can't be regulated by the fda.

Nicotine though IS a tobacco product and this is where their regulatory authority comes from. I still think the only way you will be able to vape is by purchasing tamper proof pre-filled cartomizers that can't be bought online. I think this b/c you must always follow the money in any political analysis.[/QUOTE]

What I don't understand is why nicotine is considered a tobacco product. Are nicotine gum and patches considered tobacco products? If you
You're going to classify nicotine as a tobacco product, I want to see patches in smoke shops then.

 

[Robino1]

What I don't understand is why nicotine is considered a tobacco product. Are nicotine gum and patches considered tobacco products? If you
You're going to classify nicotine as a tobacco product, I want to see patches in smoke shops then.

Nicotine gum and patches are classified as drugs. They've been downgraded to over the counter drugs, still drugs nonetheless. In the case if those, nicotine is considered a drug.

Nicotine is derived from tobacco. Even if they found a way to get it either synthetically manufactured or somehow from other plants, it would still fall under tobacco because of intended use.

Sorry, I wish it were different but it is what it is.

 

[Bunnykiller]

bummer I just planted my whole yard in Eggplant for the nicotine...

 

[Robino1]

bummer I just planted my whole yard in Eggplant for the nicotine...

You could sell the eggplants and make money to buy more gear

 

[ScottP]

It does not matter what you call them because there isn't going to ever be a ban on the devices. There is only one choke point in the whole system that makes any sense. That is the nicotine itself. A federal court has already said that an e-cig is not a drug delivery device and thus it can't be regulated by the fda.

Nicotine though IS a tobacco product and this is where their regulatory authority comes from. I still think the only way you will be able to vape is by purchasing tamper proof pre-filled cartomizers that can't be bought online. I think this b/c you must always follow the money in any political analysis.

This is exactly what I have been saying since I started vaping. They are not going to try and regulate batteries, kanthal wire and cotton balls, when all they have to do is make the nicotine unavailable.

 

[Bunnykiller]

just pull the wick out and use it for " Fireworks fuze lighting" device

Wind proof

 

[louis]

Only if you give a large amount of money to the politicians & government regulators. They haven't got any science to back up any claim but they do have a public forum & they use it to there own advantage.
Guys it's all about MONEY not health.
The public is paranoid about anything that produces any kind of smoke, or in our case vapor. They all believe that nicotine is a poison but they still consume PGA by the gallon & you don't see them wanting to ban that.
It's that old saying. "Tax him, tax thee but for goods sake don't tax ME!'
Just my 2 cents,
louis

 

[Dj Xy]

A total ban is unlikely, the government has already seen the amount of money vaping produces, they are just trying to figure out how to tax the crap out of it so they can get a cut of it.
The problem is that we, as Americans, have forgotten and are to scared of the government to take a stand against unfair taxes, our forefathers fought against unfair taxes and planted the seeds for our country because they were not scared of the British government, now everything they fought against is what our country has become.

 

[LEDBETTER122]

You know, I got'a thinkin', and yes, it hurt.

If the e-cig is on the FDA's chopping block, for being an "electronic cigarette", why can't we just rename it? I know, sounds silly, but hear me out!

I, you or anyone over 18, can buy ......... rolling papers, pipes, water ....s, hookas or vaporizers as long as it's call a "tobacco accessory". You can get these online, at your local "head shop" or even some gas stations. Now I know this is dumb, and no one smokes tobacco out of these devices, but it's legal to sell under this verbiage. So, let's call our e-cigs and such "water vaporizers". This is all they are anyway, a vaporizer. We don't have to say what we vaporize in our personal device.

If it's legal to sell devices for an illegal drug (in most states), why can't we change our verbiage of our nicotine delivery system to something that sounds harmless, like water vaporizers? We all know, until they ban nicotine, we can still make our juice out of ingredients found at Wal-Mart and drug stores. They can't ban VG or PG, so the only thing they can get their paws on IS our nicotine.

Just my thoughts... now to find my Advil...

Or they could be called Personal Humidifiers Lol

 

[Ahoy]

If they ever put in some kind of ban, i'm sure the vendors will do something and get around the law. There is always a loophole.

Just look at Roll-your-own tobacco! Obama put a huge tax on RYO tobacco and the tobacco companies changed the cut ever so slightly and BOOM! They got around the tax!

 

[Dj Xy]

If they ever put in some kind of ban, i'm sure the vendors will do something and get around the law. There is always a loophole.

Just look at Roll-your-own tobacco! Obama put a huge tax on RYO tobacco and the tobacco companies changed the cut ever so slightly and BOOM! They got around the tax!

Lets not forget when Obama banned flavored cigs, companys like Djarum started making little cigars.

 

[anthropus1]

I dont think its about the name or the health aspect or the money. Vapers created a 2 Billion dollar a year industry without asking for permission, help,or protection from eachother. Fda and other groups like them have tried to find reasons for bans and restrictions and so far been frustrated to find that as a community we have been able to control the moral practices of the companies we buy from. They cant afford to let this go unchallenged , next thing you know ppl will start deciding to only buy chicken nuggets that are made of real chicken even though and then there is no reason for the fda to exist

 

[LEDBETTER122]

I dont think its about the name or the health aspect or the money. Vapers created a 2 Billion dollar a year industry without asking for permission, help,or protection from eachother. Fda and other groups like them have tried to find reasons for bans and restrictions and so far been frustrated to find that as a community we have been able to control the moral practices of the companies we buy from. They cant afford to let this go unchallenged , next thing you know ppl will start deciding to only buy chicken nuggets that are made of real chicken even though and then there is no reason for the fda to exist

As Much as I would like to agree with your statement, the FDA does a whole lot more than regulate chicken. It makes sure everything is made with Safe and Correct Ingredients and the Correct Amount of ingredients. Without the FDA there would be People dying constantly, due to the fact most companies only care about money and could care less if their product killed people.

Example being the New England Compound Center had the Meningitis outbreak.

Although I don't agree with them butting into everyone’s lives telling us what we should and should not do.

 

[classwife]

lol....Nobody notice that this thread got dug up from 8/28/2013 ?