The Truth about Vegetable Glycerine

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There seems to be some doubt floating around out there about whether or not Vegetable Glycerine is a danger to a person’s health when inhaled, as it is with E-cigarettes. Many articles have been written, and many studies conducted about the way PG, or propylene glycol, affects the body, in answer to many criticisms and misleading statements be anti-tobacco activists. Because of this, Vegetable Glycerine has been left by the proverbial wayside. However, there have been enough studies done on VG to determine one undeniable fact; Vegetable Glycerine is one of the most harmless organic liquids that ever comes in contact with a human body on a regular basis. In fact, it’s already used in so many ingestible products that I can’t possibly list them all here, but to provide a brief example, VG is used as an artificial sweetener in many, many foods, it’s used in packaged foods that need to retain moisture while packaged, and it’s used in almost every dental product on the market, from toothpaste to denture paste.

Once VG, or glycerol enters into the body, either orally, transdermally (through the skin) or via inhalation of vaporized glycerol, it is metabolised in an extremely efficient, simple, and common manner. Once broken down, glycerol is converted (mostly) into carbon dioxide (which we exhale) and water. A very small amount is transformed into essential sugars that are also regularly used by the body.

It has been found that Vegetable Glycerine is hypo-allergenic, which is especially important to vapers who happen to be allergic to propylene glycol which is, of course, the other major ingredient in E-liquids. Studies have also shown that glycerol has very low numbers in other tests concerning the skin, eyes, and upper respiratory system. It does not cause mutation of cells and/or chromosomal/dna information, and therefore it is considered to be harmless to the reproductive system. In fact all of these studies... (Click here to read the rest of my article.)
 

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BTW - Maybe it is My Browser. But the Link you posted has Black Text on a Dark Graphic Background.

It's Unreadable.

It's not just your browser... I've noticed on occasion, EJCs page can on occasion mis-load and leave the dark background. There's usually a white box that appears behind the text, if the page loads correctly

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(EJC, if you want me to remove this, just let me know... just trying to spread the word)

There seems to be some doubt floating around out there about whether or not Vegetable Glycerine is a danger to a person’s health when inhaled, as it is with E-cigarettes. Many articles have been written, and many studies conducted about the way PG, or propylene glycol, affects the body, in answer to many criticisms and misleading statements be anti-tobacco activists. Because of this, Vegetable Glycerine has been left by the proverbial wayside. However, there have been enough studies done on VG to determine one undeniable fact; Vegetable Glycerine is one of the most harmless organic liquids that ever comes in contact with a human body on a regular basis. In fact, it’s already used in so many ingestible products that I can’t possibly list them all here, but to provide a brief example, VG is used as an artificial sweetener in many, many foods, it’s used in packaged foods that need to retain moisture while packaged, and it’s used in almost every dental product on the market, from toothpaste to denture paste........


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It's not just your browser... I've noticed on occasion, EJCs page can on occasion mis-load and leave the dark background. There's usually a white box that appears behind the text, if the page loads correctly

Here's the text:
(EJC, if you want me to remove this, just let me know... just trying to spread the word)

Thank you ClippinWings.
 

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It think it's a bit absolute to be claiming "...none of the ingredients contained therein pose any risk to human health."

If you go to Dow Chemical's own site their glowing press B.S. will have you believing that propylene Glycol is better than air, let alone safer. While on the very same site they show in their own studies that a certain percentage of persons exposed to it find it irritating, both from a medical and a statistically significant viewpoint.

Then you have people like me who actually have allergic reaction to PG. Allergic reaction to PG isn't an oddball, isolated freak thing. Ask any Allergist in the medical community about it. PG allergy presented itself a long time before e-cigs came on the scene. I won't get into the "icky" symptoms of PG allergy here, but an allergic reaction is an allergic reaction.

VG? Don't know. All I can tell you is if it wasn't for high VG liquids I wouldn't be vaping. But I would suggest you dial it back a notch from "...not very harmful at all","...none of the ingredients contained therein pose any risk". Any of us who have had a significant allergic reaction to inhaling PG would beg to differ. Sorry - that one is real for a certain percentage of us.
 
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That's a trick question, because you already know the answer.
:laugh:

LOL

No Tricks. Just looking for Independent Confirmation of what I Think I know.

That, and Trying to Figure out what Happens when I get a Dry Hit on my .15 ohm Micro Coil RBA while Vaping at 55 Watts.

;)
 

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Did I miss something..did DECADES of study after study after study on the "dangers" of tobacco and tar and the crap found in cigarette smoke suddenly dissapear?

Why is everyone saying "vaping is DAAAAAAAAAANGEROUS!"

The true question everyone should be asking, just like with lady justice (put tobacco on one side of the scale, vaping on the other) now with TAR that sticks to your lungs turning em brown almost like a piece of dried out leather vs vaping which so far NO study done shows the PG or VG to cause problems, hell EXTRA moisture breathing in is a GOOD thing right? (otherwise the water tank on my sleep apnea machine to put more moisture in my lungs as I sleep is DAAAAAAAAAANGEROUS)

Weighing the dangers of tobacco and tar and upwards of 4,000 really bad chemicals vs vaping with NONE of the previous listed

If you were to look at cigarettes right next to vaping in a "spiritual sense"..it might look a little something like this

devil_vs_god.jpg
 

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Did I miss something..did DECADES of study after study after study on the "dangers" of tobacco and tar and the crap found in cigarette smoke suddenly dissapear?

Why is everyone saying "vaping is DAAAAAAAAAANGEROUS!"

The true question everyone should be asking, just like with lady justice (put tobacco on one side of the scale, vaping on the other) now with TAR that sticks to your lungs turning em brown almost like a piece of dried out leather vs vaping which so far NO study done shows the PG or VG to cause problems, hell EXTRA moisture breathing in is a GOOD thing right? (otherwise the water tank on my sleep apnea machine to put more moisture in my lungs as I sleep is DAAAAAAAAAANGEROUS)

Weighing the dangers of tobacco and tar and upwards of 4,000 really bad chemicals vs vaping with NONE of the previous listed

If you were to look at cigarettes right next to vaping in a "spiritual sense"..it might look a little something like this

devil_vs_god.jpg

What does the Dangers of Burning Tobacco have to do with the Safety of using an e-Cigarettes. They are Unique Concepts and should be considered in Isolation.

If you want to go down the Road of e-Cigarettes are "Safer" than Burning Tobacco, well that I don't think will receive much Argument.

But you Can't say something is Safe because something else is Dangerous. That is a Fallacy of Inclusion by Comparison.
 

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What does the Dangers of Burning Tobacco have to do with the Safety of using an e-Cigarettes. They are Unique Concepts and should be considered in Isolation.

If you want to go down the Road of e-Cigarettes are "Safer" than Burning Tobacco, well that I don't think will receive much Argument.

But you Can't say something is Safe because something else is Dangerous. That is a Fallacy of Inclusion by Comparison.
Never said it wasn't dangerous...

But you have to put both side by side if you are to have a true "comparison" of the two

Everything you put in your body is more or less killing you, heck just LIVING is killing you, truth be told, using "personal vapers" is just lowering the rate at which you are killing yourself

Remember the old saying "every time you smoke a cigarette you are taking xx amount of time off your life" well "every time you vape you are taking a whole lot less of xx amount of time off your life"
 

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Never said it wasn't dangerous...

But you have to put both side by side if you are to have a true "comparison" of the two

...

But what if a Person Doesn't want to do a Comparison? Say they just want to know what the Health Risks are from using an e-Cigarette.

BTW - I've been sitting at my desk for about 5 Hours doing CAD/CAM with the TV on in the Background. They have played a Blu e-Cigarette commercial at Least 6 Times and Counting.
 

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Some folks get a little hot under the collar when anyone mentions any dangers from vaping. I think it is totally understandable in this day and age. IMHO, the "dangers of vaping" press is largely geared toward preparing the public to accept FDA regulation that will put money into the pockets of the government and Big Tobacco. My fear: regulation, lots of regulation that makes the small eliquid producers just go away because they cannot afford to jump through all the hoops that will become mandatory. Then Big Tobacco can and will set up lots of factories to mass produce eliquid "under stringent testing and safety conditions" (conditions that all reputable eliquid producers already have in place). Of course, this will include a hefty tax on all liquids containing nicotine. Yep. Thats my fear.

I said "largely geared" because I think there are some good people doing good research to determine the long and short term effects of vaping on the human body. Just because a substance is safe for ingestion does not mean it is safe for inhalation. It might be, but it does not automatically follow that it is. Heck, orange juice is good for the body but hell on the lungs if inhaled. :blink:

So, both arguments are correct. Vaping is much safer than smoking. No question, no debate and no argument. Vaping may or may not be SAFE. The jury is still out.

I have made an informed decision to vape. Now that I love vaping as much as I do, it will take a lot of negative results from independent research to get me to quit.

Emotion and logic are poor bedfellows. Logically, vaping is safer. Logically, a comparison argument is totally bogus when trying to prove vaping is safe. That dog just don't hunt. Vape on folks! You are saving money, saving the air around you from lots of carcinogens and saving your body from the same. And, you smell a lot better. I no longer mind standing beside you in line at the store! ;)
 

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LOL

No Tricks. Just looking for Independent Confirmation of what I Think I know.

That, and Trying to Figure out what Happens when I get a Dry Hit on my .15 ohm Micro Coil RBA while Vaping at 55 Watts.

;)

Dry hit = no VG. You might be more interested in what the coil is made of. :laugh:

220C at 12W. 280C at 18W at dry burn.

.. but Scottbee had it right:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...95-what-hottest-burning-atty.html#post1189778

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/66379-vg-harmful.html#post981866

His pic of what I'm assuming is a 510 atty on an eGo (he lost 2 Rivas with a low ohm atty... ... within seconds. :D )

IR_0042.jpg


106F = 41C at @ 6W
 

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Dry hit = no VG. You might be more interested in what the coil is made of. :laugh:

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Yeah... Coil and Wick Material is something to Definitely Consider.

And in Fact, that is sort of what I'm getting at.

When I hear someone say that VG is "Safe", does that mean an e-Cigarette is "Safe" to use? I think that is a Leap that I wouldn't take.

Because e-Liquids are made up of Many other Chemicals beside VG. And because Most of the Time the Safety Level associated with something like VG doesn't take in account the Frequency and Dosage that the Average vaper is Exposed to.

Or even the Method in which they are Using the Chemical. (ie: Inhalation vs Topical or Oral Ingestion.)

I think when more Long Term Data is Acquired, that Flavorings, Colorants and Artificial Sweeteners will be shown to Cause more Risk than either VG or PG.

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BTW Hope you are Doing Well. Haven't seen you around in awhile.
 
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