The Ultimate Insanity: Health Groups Want to Remove Some Toxins from Cigarettes, But Want to Ban Product Which Already Removed Virtually All of Them

[BigJimW]

Not to cross post but.....

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-time-file-class-action-suit-against-fda.html

I think it's about time we took action. And do it now.

 

[Vapinginmyboots]

Heres a thought. A lot of what they do is For The Children, as an excuse to take away this freedom or that freedom. Granted they try and try and so far we still are a very free people, the way I look at it is this. They want to take rights away from us adults to protect the children, when the children grow up they will have less and less rights. I dont have kids currently but man oh man, if I did, I would be scared for their future and I know some of you are. Now is the time to try to fight this

 

[rustylug]

It's long overdue to remove the goverment ban on the plant that can save the planet, in so many different ways!

Im kind of thinking the same after reading some of the links that have been posted.

I think you need to watch all 7 videos to understand this, and as somkers or ex-smokers or part time smokers ...it should be somthing you should watch ...i think anyway...!!! ..... PS .... Where has the Nutral smilie gone?

 

[rustylug]

Its funny how all goverments want to ban it, and most seem to want any tests done on it banned aswell.

I ask this ....... Tell me what is so bad about it?

Then tell me what your afraid of?

How many drug firms would go bust if if this is true?

How many people would have to sign on to state benifitts?

Is Hemp Oil that good? I think its somthing we should be looking into, because it does look like our goverments are "running from the cure" after looking at theise videos.

 

[CJsKee]

Not to be overly pedantic but it was actually the "love of money" that is the root of all evil.

Not entirely off topic...but the 3 words in your quotes make all the difference. Money, in and of itself, is necessary.

 

[Surf Monkey]

Money, in and of itself, is necessary.

Tell that to the barter system.

 

[CJsKee]

Tell that to the barter system.

Can we barter to take care of our electric bill, etc.? What could I trade to have the city utility company come pick up my trash? And I'm about half way serious about this. I live on a limited income.

 

[Surf Monkey]

Can we barter to take care of our electric bill, etc.? What could I trade to have the city utility company come pick up my trash? And I'm about half way serious about this. I live on a limited income.

Hey, I agree. But look at some of the other egregious statements people make around here. Do a search for "socialism" for example.

The point with money is the same point behind all big systems. They seem essential now because they've been in place so long that they seem intractable.

Civilizations have survived for ages without monetary systems. Money is not a required part of the essential human condition.

 

[Harry Crazington]

Money is not a required part of the essential human condition.

That's right it is not essential, that's what they're doing here, a system based on resources, not money ... The Venus Project

 

[Surf Monkey]

The Venus Project is awesome. I've been a fan of that site for some time. Nice link!

 

[CJsKee]

That's right it is not essential, that's what they're doing here, a system based on resources, not money ... The Venus Project

Very interesting...I have never heard of this. I just spent a while looking and have bookmarked it. It does sound rather Utopian, doesn't it. Thanks for the link...the idea intrigues me.

 

[Harry Crazington]

Very interesting...I have never heard of this. I just spent a while looking and have bookmarked it. It does sound rather Utopian, doesn't it. Thanks for the link...the idea intrigues me.

Yep the web page pictures of it look awesome huh, I want to move there NOW !!!

 

[CJsKee]

Yep the web page pictures of it look awesome huh, I want to move there NOW !!!

Me too...let's go!! My sis and I have talked about this kind of this...just how much could be achieved if the human potential was fully realized. I really believe amazing things would happen...

 

[seminolewind]

Not only do Big tobacco, the government and Pharma stand to lose money if smokers stop smoking and live longer with fewer medical problems. Did anyone think of the impact it would have on SOCIAL SECURITY AND MEDICARE if smokers stop dying from smoking tobacco?????
I think if ecigs really take off, it will create a financial disaster in the country that's bigger than what's going on now. There is a massive piece of the economy that is carried by the tobacco addicted. But it serves them right for screwing smokers all these years, and actually counting on the fact that 20% of the population have an addiction. How dare they suck tobacco addicted people dry with their SUPERFICIAL concern. Well, what goes around comes around.
ps, I have already converted 4 people at work, I'm happy about that!

 

[OutWest]

Not only do Big tobacco, the government and Pharma stand to lose money if smokers stop smoking and live longer with fewer medical problems. Did anyone think of the impact it would have on SOCIAL SECURITY AND MEDICARE if smokers stop dying from smoking tobacco?????
I think if ecigs really take off, it will create a financial disaster in the country that's bigger than what's going on now. There is a massive piece of the economy that is carried by the tobacco addicted. But it serves them right for screwing smokers all these years, and actually counting on the fact that 20% of the population have an addiction. How dare they suck tobacco addicted people dry with their SUPERFICIAL concern. Well, what goes around comes around.
ps, I have already converted 4 people at work, I'm happy about that!

Agree completely and one of the things I thought about when I got to thinking about that fda bill and how it essentially bans safer products. They dont want safer products on the market because of it cuts into the tax revenue of cigarettes and costs the govt more in social security and medicare. And, if they lower the nicotine levels in tobacco, then smokers smoke more to compensate, thus increasing the tax revenues. And because of increase in cancer rates that smoking more will cause, they save even more in social security and medicare.

It's really pretty disgusting when you think about it. They totally sold out the smokers with that bill. Hopefully I'll be proven wrong and it'll work out, but I have my doubts about that.

 

[edlogic]

ps, I have already converted 4 people at work, I'm happy about that!

i have only been quit for 2 weeks and already have 4 friends and relatives ready to try it .

i wish i had a way to get an ecigs on wheels thing going - like an ice cream truck but with ecigs to let people try them - and go around the neighborhoods and look for people that want to stop smoking .

i think you could make a fortune that way .

 

[seminolewind]

Ed, I like the way you think, LOL. I was thinking of standing in front of the supermarket.

 

[Surf Monkey]

i have only been quit for 2 weeks and already have 4 friends and relatives ready to try it .

i wish i had a way to get an ecigs on wheels thing going - like an ice cream truck but with ecigs to let people try them - and go around the neighborhoods and look for people that want to stop smoking .

i think you could make a fortune that way .

People do that. You could bulk order a bunch and then sell them out of the trunk of your car. "Hey, outside smoker. Hate getting wet and cold when you want a smoke? For $50 you can walk back inside that building right now and smoke all you want in the comfortable, heated environment you know and love."

 

[edlogic]

People do that. You could bulk order a bunch and then sell them out of the trunk of your car. "Hey, outside smoker. Hate getting wet and cold when you want a smoke? For $50 you can walk back inside that building right now and smoke all you want in the comfortable, heated environment you know and love."

good idea - thanks for the tip - i am going to try that

 

[Goosehead]

No. Making a less addictive cigarette is a good thing - IF (and that's the part the FDA is missing in the big picture) you offer safer alternatives to go to. Make the bad products less appealing, the good products more appealing, and you will have consumers switching in droves. Unfortunately - the PTB only focus on half the solution in their misguided quest. They need to disassociate nicotine from smoke - without the smoke, nicotine is on par with caffiene for chemical reactions in the body - and they need to offer us safer alternatives based on logic, not absolute 100% certainty.



Not just calories - once they push nationalized health care down our throats, this gives the govt the subtle authority to make all kinds of demands on our behavior...... from the specific foods and drinks you ingest to the amount of physical activity you do.

You want health care? You must not ingest any more that 1500 calories per day - no more than 20% from protien, 30% from this, blah, blah....and you must have 7 hours of physical activity per week - verified by a reciept from a gym or other "govenrment approved" activity facility. Are you in violation? Perhaps you should be shipped off to our new, state of the art, government approved "health spa" where you can help your country by building our infrastructure....

No, I don't have foreknowledge, and this is just my take on the subject, but anytime in the past you've accepted a specific perk from our government, it comes with multitudes of strings attached, and I predict that health care will be no different.

While I support your social libertarian perspective, just want you to know that national healthcare is not like this anywhere in the world.

There are generally more strings attached to private healthcare because it's profit-driven, and therefore will try to find any reason to avoid paying for your treatment.