The ultimate lung health liquid!

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crashtestjeep

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OMG, the pear, sleepy time green tea, I could go on n on.....I have some issues myself so my next scan in Feb will show if I have had any difference from using Lung Renewal juice. Well, I cant really say that bc regardleess of the scan results, Im 100% certain I FEEL alot better! :)

Im not even sure what my "condition" is or if its affected by this or that but I CAN say that my general sense of well being HAS improved! ...and noo matter the results, thats what really counts IMO ;)
 

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OMG, the pear, sleepy time green tea, I could go on n on.....I have some issues myself so my next scan in Feb will show if I have had any difference from using Lung Renewal Juice. Well, I cant really say that bc regardleess of the scan results, Im 100% certain I FEEL alot better! :)

Im not even sure what my "condition" is or if its affected by this or that but I CAN say that my general sense of well being HAS improved! ...and noo matter the results, thats what really counts IMO ;)


I'm definately going to try the Pear, and want to add the Sleepy time along with my next order.

I do hope that scan is good news, my friend...Sending out special prayers that it is.
 

JakeStew

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I don't want to bash anyone's product, but there are several problems with the "lung juice" type products.

For one, and this is important, most of those ingredients have no proven effects. It's basically adding a witches brew of substances from a crude extract, which likely have little or no benefit and do have proven negative side effects. Lobelia for example is well known for it's negative effects when used to excess. With no standardization in the extraction process you are taking an unknown dose of a compound known to have very dose dependent effects. Perhaps the main point though is that lobelia HAS been studied as a stop smoking aid. It was found to be completely ineffective, yet herb dealers continue to represent that it is used to help people quit smoking. They know it doesn't work, yet they keep pushing it for that purpose.

Another point is that these additives are crude extracts. And I don't mean "crude extract" as a negative term, it's the proper chemistry term as there is no selective extraction procedure or purification steps. When you take a crude extract (usually alcohol) you are basically extracting all the polar compounds from a plant. If you try to concentrate a crude extract what you end up with is a sticky, gooey tar. One of the main reasons I switched from analogs to vaping was precisely to avoid inhaling plant tars. IMHO it is very questionable to to promote a product full of plant tars as healthier than their non-tar counterparts.

The third main strike against crude extracts is that they simply aren't concentrated enough. If you concentrate them too much you'll end up with too much tar and it will kill your atomizer and be unhealthy to inhale. Getting an effective dose from the small amount of liquid inhaled through an atomizer isn't easy and you just can't really get a crude extract of most herbs concentrated enough to get a therapeutic dose into the half ml or so that you'd need to in order to make it effective.

Finally, using a shotgun method of combining a random mix of herbs reported by random herbalists to have some sort of effect doesn't seem like a very effective method for much of anything. By using multiple herbs of questionable benefit you're just further reducing your dose to tar ratio. You also end up being completely unable to assess the benefits of any one substance. And one thing this field really needs is legitimate research. You can't even produce a proper case study by starting out "So I mixed a bunch of herbs together of unknown dose, with an unknown amount of dose delivered..."

My initial research indicates that the active fraction from mullein leaf seems to vaporize well. I'm planning to have animal tests in progress in about three months. If anyone's wondering why not skip straight to humans... well I can't exactly inject people with an inflammatory agent and see how much mullein reduces the edema. Bacteriological tests should be finished before then and that would be the point to let people jump in with their own research. So stay tuned, I'll post results here in the next few months.


-Jake
 

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The results will be interesting.

As to whether the lung juice does anything for you, well noone can say for sure without testing, but I have been suffering a cold which ended up being a bad cough. Was sleeping with my head in a vaporizer, drinking shots of cough syryp throughout the night and could not sleep for the persistant cough. I was vaping my normal flavors during this time. A couple of days ago I stopped vaping everything but the lung juice and have been able to sleep without coughing.
Perhaps the cough had just ran its course, perhaps the lung juice helped.

One of my sons had a problem with terrible nerve pains several years ago when he was about 13, they were so bad we went to the emergency room about once a month and they shot him full of pain killers. We went to every kind of docter you can think of and no one could figure out what was wrong. He spent two weeks in the hospital in such pain that they were giving him does of pain killer that they normally give terminal cancer people. Doctors were perplexed. We endured this for over a year.
His peditrcian in a last ditch effort to help sent us to a "natural herbal doctor". This lady told us to go to the health store, buy a product called "Nerve Fix"(which is herbal) double the dosage for the first couple of weeks and then normal dosage, kept him on it for 6 months.
He never had another issue after that......so I am a little skeptical about herbals doing nothing.
 

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I don't want to bash anyone's product, but there are several problems with the "lung juice" type products.

For one, and this is important, most of those ingredients have no proven effects. It's basically adding a witches brew of substances from a crude extract, which likely have little or no benefit and do have proven negative side effects. Lobelia for example is well known for it's negative effects when used to excess. With no standardization in the extraction process you are taking an unknown dose of a compound known to have very dose dependent effects. Perhaps the main point though is that lobelia HAS been studied as a stop smoking aid. It was found to be completely ineffective, yet herb dealers continue to represent that it is used to help people quit smoking. They know it doesn't work, yet they keep pushing it for that purpose.

Another point is that these additives are crude extracts. And I don't mean "crude extract" as a negative term, it's the proper chemistry term as there is no selective extraction procedure or purification steps. When you take a crude extract (usually alcohol) you are basically extracting all the polar compounds from a plant. If you try to concentrate a crude extract what you end up with is a sticky, gooey tar. One of the main reasons I switched from analogs to vaping was precisely to avoid inhaling plant tars. IMHO it is very questionable to to promote a product full of plant tars as healthier than their non-tar counterparts.

The third main strike against crude extracts is that they simply aren't concentrated enough. If you concentrate them too much you'll end up with too much tar and it will kill your atomizer and be unhealthy to inhale. Getting an effective dose from the small amount of liquid inhaled through an atomizer isn't easy and you just can't really get a crude extract of most herbs concentrated enough to get a therapeutic dose into the half ml or so that you'd need to in order to make it effective.

Finally, using a shotgun method of combining a random mix of herbs reported by random herbalists to have some sort of effect doesn't seem like a very effective method for much of anything. By using multiple herbs of questionable benefit you're just further reducing your dose to tar ratio. You also end up being completely unable to assess the benefits of any one substance. And one thing this field really needs is legitimate research. You can't even produce a proper case study by starting out "So I mixed a bunch of herbs together of unknown dose, with an unknown amount of dose delivered..."

My initial research indicates that the active fraction from mullein leaf seems to vaporize well. I'm planning to have animal tests in progress in about three months. If anyone's wondering why not skip straight to humans... well I can't exactly inject people with an inflammatory agent and see how much mullein reduces the edema. Bacteriological tests should be finished before then and that would be the point to let people jump in with their own research. So stay tuned, I'll post results here in the next few months.


-Jake

I had all these same concerns, but not the technical knowledge to express them properly. Good to see you're on the case, as it certainly sounds like you've got a handle on it.
 

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I know a little about herbs, been dabbling in them for a few years..here and there..Mainly use the herbal tintures for aromatherapy.

I have to say that after vaping RedHots or my Cinnamon flavors, When i pick up the Nhaler Lung juice , my lungs feel better. I was coughing this morning after work , came home, grabbed some of Nhalers lung juice and it actually calmed my coughing, sore throat...so, i think his juice works for me. It makes my lungs feel calmer and not so harsh after vaping for long periods of time.
 

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My next scan is in Feb, Drew and I have talked privately about his Lung Juice and while he makes NO claims, lets just say I trust his studies and tinctures...he seems very well educated in both herbal and chinese herbal tinctures and knows alot about these things....more than me and at this point, I was willing to tryy it all out. With that said, even with me undergoing continuous studies (Ct scans), what may or may not work for ME, may or may not work for others.....BUt, Im hopeful and excited for my upcoming scan ;)
 

JakeStew

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so I am a little skeptical about herbals doing nothing.

There's certainly plenty of herbs that have great effects and good scientific research behind them. Kava kava is one of my favorites and produces noticeable effects.

Lobelia certainly produces mild effects also. One of it's big problems though is that you get nauseated fairly quickly and it only produces very mild effects (for me at least) before it starts producing unpleasant nausea. What I take issue with is claiming it to be effective for something even after it's well demonstrated to not be effective.

OBJECTIVE: To evaluate the safety and efficacy of sublingual lobeline sulfate for smoking cessation. METHODS: A multicenter (3 sites), double-blind, parallel, placebo-controlled, phase 3 smoking cessation trial of sublingual formulation of lobeline sulfate. A total of 750 smokers (250 per site) were randomized to either treatment (lobeline sulfate) or placebo with individual smoking cessation counseling lasting up to approximately 10 minutes. RESULTS: Efficacy revealed no statistical significance (P = 0.62) for lobeline sulfate as a smoking cessation aid. CONCLUSION: Sublingual formulation of lobeline sulfate does not appear to be an effective smoking cessation aid.

At present, the possibilities of pharmacological intervention in smoking cessation remain limited. Some products, like smoking deterrants, lobeline, amphetamine and sedatives, definitely seem to have been rejected.

Those are just a couple quotes I pulled from literature abstracts. I guess you could argue that lobelinexis not the active stop smoking aid in lobelia, but that's quite a stretch. People though it would be effective because of it's tranquilizing effects and lobeline produces those effects. So it would be quite an amazing coincidence to find that the reason people tried it was wrong but it actually had some other substance in it that did help.


-Jake
 

Bob Akimbo

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I'm new to vaping (three full days with zero urge to smoke from a pack and a half), and was thinking since I'm sucking stuff into my lungs, maybe I can find something that's good for me - or at least less bad. I quickly found that a bit of VG and a bit of rum added to my PG starter flavors made for a MUCH more pleasant vape. So I started looking at herbal extracts including glycerites. I came to this forum to see what the "experts" had to say, and found this awesome thread.

Jake, It's a real pleasure to "meet" a mind that is both open AND analytical. Thank you for your words of wisdom, and I look forward to the conclusions of your research.

~BobAkimbo

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