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How can we vape if there is no air-flow through the holes on the sides of the threads?
How does juice leak from these holes when we over fill or drip?
How can I vape on sealed center post atties if these holes have no flow?
I think your test method is flawed. By shoving a toothpick as far as it will go into the hole in the center post you are blocking the flow of air through the "side air holes". Unless I am way off base these "side pin/air holes" have to have some air flow through them for us to even vape. If their is no air getting through those little holes why does almost every 510 fitting have notches/grooves in them to not block the air holes. The fittings that don't have notches or groves have a limitation on how far you can screw the atty/carto or whatever in to it as to not cover the holes.
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Fernand, rather than shoving a toothpick in, cover the bottom hole with electrical tape, and you'll see there IS airflow thru the sides
Fernand, rather than shoving a toothpick in, cover the bottom hole with electrical tape, and you'll see there IS airflow thru the sides
Yup. Or even more simply, put your finger tightly on the end and blow. Absolutely works. Or if you want to SEE it, take one with some juice and do the same thing, juice will come out of those side holes. OR just think logically. Why else would they be there? Lighten the carto to make it go faster?
Good Morning Vmodians ...
Yep read the post about the box elder fiasco. Scary stuff there. Gotta say I love the nic from RTS... Only one I have ever used or will use as I trust them.
It is an absolutely gorgeous day here in Northern CA.. On the cool side, but sun is shining. I gotta go rake a mountain of leaves, but I don't mind. At least I can be outside today.. Gona be cold and wet this weekend, YUK !! What's the weather report where you live?
... Yep read the post about the box elder fiasco. Scary stuff there. Gotta say I love the nic from RTS... Only one I have ever used or will use as I trust them.
It is an absolutely gorgeous day here in Northern CA.. On the cool side, but sun is shining. I gotta go rake a mountain of leaves, but I don't mind. At least I can be outside today
.. Gona be cold and wet this weekend, YUK !! What's the weather report where you live?
Why else would they be there? Lighten the carto to make it go faster?
Good Morning Vmodians
...It is an absolutely gorgeous day here in Northern CA.. On the cool side, but sun is shining. I gotta go rake a mountain of leaves, but I don't mind. At least I can be outside today
It's been unseasonably warm here in NY (Long Island) - in the 60s. Which is nice considering we had snow flurries and wind chill temps in the low 30s on 10/29. Rain is heading our way for the next few days- but temps still look good.
Yup. Or even more simply, put your finger tightly on the end and blow. Absolutely works. Or if you want to SEE it, take one with some juice and do the same thing, juice will come out of those side holes. OR just think logically. Why else would they be there? Lighten the carto to make it go faster?
The toothpick has a conical tip, it doesn't plug anything but the main hole. Tape and fingers don't block the tube because of the slot/ridges. Juice will even flow back out through the pinholes if you just put tape or finger on the end. But I've dismantled them, and on the ones I've examined, there is no passage. I'm not saying it's true for ALL cartos and attys. Some connectors are different. No idea what the pinholes were originally for, it's like the people who swear the slot is for a screwdriver. So in my sampling, with the one noted exception, pinholes did not connect with the inside on the ones I checked, anatomically undeniable. Look at this, where would the pinholes end up?
But in any case, cartos are not all built the same. And we can all develop our own conclusions. The main question was where is juice getting in. So try the loose carto technique, and you'll probably get the same easy low flow resistance when you squirsh, and the same pooling as on the catch-cup photo. That's where juice feeds in on the ones I tried, it leaks along the threading, and even if you used something like that one carto with a passage, if the carto is loose, there is no way to build up any pressure to force it in. It dribbles down below and you suck it into the airtube. What's all that juice doing down there if it somehow gets selectively channeled through the pinholes? But if it works for you, without too big a mess, great.
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It was upper 70s here in north central North Carolina today. Went deer hunting and saw the bucks running around in muscle tees and shorts catching a fall tan. Thunderstorms, rain and then turning cold Wed. nite into Thurs. morning. I guess the deer will be back in their fur coats by the weekend...........
It was upper 70s here in north central North Carolina today. Went deer hunting and saw the bucks running around in muscle tees and shorts catching a fall tan. Thunderstorms, rain and then turning cold Wed. nite into Thurs. morning. I guess the deer will be back in their fur coats by the weekend...........
Now that's funny ~ I don't care who you are!
Fernand.... Where does the air come from when we suck on a carto/atty etc that flows up with the juice that is atomized on the heating element then... Guarantee you that we do not get hardly any air flow from the bottom of the carto/atty fitting... Would be safe bet that where air can get in juice would be able to as well..
Here is a test for you take you favorite boge carto with no hole punched in the side... Fill the pin holes with super glue... Screw the carto on an ego battery and suck on it and see what kind of air flow you get.... with out power...
Btw your pic will not show where the pin holes are from that angle... Nice shot of where the catch cup goes... and if you did not remove the center pin you definitely will not see where they are... The
The pin holes lead to the center of the chamber of the fitting where the center pin is at.... Pull out the center pin and you will see where they lead and how air or liquid could get into the bottom of a cart/atty...
Here is a test for you take you favorite boge carto with no hole punched in the side... Fill the pin holes with super glue... Screw the carto on an ego battery and suck on it and see what kind of air flow you get.... with out power...
Btw your pic will not show where the pin holes are from that angle... Nice shot of where the catch cup goes... and if you did not remove the center pin you definitely will not see where they are... The
The pin holes lead to the center of the chamber of the fitting where the center pin is at.... Pull out the center pin and you will see where they lead and how air or liquid could get into the bottom of a cart/atty...
That Box Elder story is pretty sad. Especially how they denied it was even possible. I have a fair number of Box Elder bottles, 100mg/ml in VG, lot 255. I've not had any problem, it seems about right, though I wouldn't know if it was a little high or low. It's a testimonial to the can-do of vapers that the error was spotted. I for one prefer that to any regulation.
The owner is supposed to be on VapeTV tonight at 10 PM EST.
The owner is supposed to be on VapeTV tonight at 10 PM EST.
@Scotay, I've taken so many apart. The pinholes were probably originally designed in to aid airflow from from the base side, as you mention. On most cartos, they connect with the "cup" that the positive pin/airtube sits in, aiding airflow, that's why you can see the red paper on my photo. You can see the hole is on the "outside", the (removed) post normally fills and seals that center hole. On others they go nowhere. On others yet, they kind of sit on the insulator. The "bottom line" question was where juice gets in on the loose carto scenario. On all of mine, juice comes in from the main airtube, and I'm not crazy about it for two reasons. Liquid doesn't saturate the filler as effectively as when it comes from the side, like through a slit. The other is the excess liquid in the catch cup (thank Heaven for the catch cup!). YMMV.
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The Pin holes lead to the center chamber of the fitting where the center pin sits period some might be slightly blocked by "insulator" but there is air flow from at least one of them to have "any" kind of draw... The only way that we can get decent air flow is a result of the pin holes... If this is not the case you are telling me that my air flow on a fully sealed 510 connection comes through the threading where the carto/atty screws into the fitting...."Fail"
Fernand...You ask how juice can feed on the loose carto scenario.... Take a carto but plug trim it slightly so it does not block the hole the leads to the base of the catch cup or into the base of your "Boge" carto... silicone in place (seal it to fill the center hole)... Take the carto and submerge it in water or juice (joke) in a dish just above the pin holes and suck on it like a straw in a soda... You will suck up water or juice until it gets below "The Pin Holes" and then you "will" get an airy suck....
Saturation was not related to your original question and is irrelevant... You bring this up to dance around the subject of how juice could possibly feed into a carto without a hole in the side of the casing or up the center hole of the carto with the loosey goosey non altered standard carto method...
Since now hopefully you may have grasped how air and or fluid could possibly be sucked up through a "Boge" carto with the center hole plugged on the center pin. Now I will explain how it is "possible" to feed juice from the Vmod into said carto.
Vapage atties and silos do not have the "pin holes" on the sides of the base.... They do not feed from the bottom of the atty/carto but feed by way of the groves at the base of the casing.... Correct?.... The feeding chamber is fed by a pin hole not much bigger than the ones on the sides of the threads on a carto/atty... But yields enough juice to saturate a "Vapage" atty/silos ymmv.... Correct?... The above "You" know to be true... Correct?... This feeding hole that feeds to the "Vapage" atties/silos sits above the threads that said atty/silo screws into... Correct?... If you take a un-modded "Boge" carto and screw it all the way in the pin holes will be covered by the threads of the feeding chamber/connection thus cutting of air flow/juice flow... You will be able to get some air flow through the base where juice drips down to the "catch cup" but this is not how feeding occurs on the Vmod... By not screwing the un-modded "boge" carto all the way way into the fitting you leave the "pin holes" exposed that could possibly suck juice up from the feeding chamber on a dry pull... Once said juice is sucked up on a dry pull you get that slight gurgle then fire and vape...
Thanks for adding the pic to your last post.... That pic is a generic representation of 90% or better of all carto/attie bases on the market.... The pin holes may be larger or smaller but effectively present on nearly all atties/cartos on the market. Some might be plugged by insulator but they are still there and are drilled through to the center chamber...
Fernand... since you added the pic that proves my comments on the design of the base of your basic attie/carto.. Here as an analogy a 5 year old can follow... Take a straw and plug the end and then stick into a soda and suck on it.. What do you get? Nodda... Cut 2 holes in the side submerge below the fluid level and then suck... What do you get? A mouthful of soda... Once that fluid drops below the holes in the side.... What do you get? AIR-FLOW
Can you now see the forest through the trees....
Fernand...You ask how juice can feed on the loose carto scenario.... Take a carto but plug trim it slightly so it does not block the hole the leads to the base of the catch cup or into the base of your "Boge" carto... silicone in place (seal it to fill the center hole)... Take the carto and submerge it in water or juice (joke) in a dish just above the pin holes and suck on it like a straw in a soda... You will suck up water or juice until it gets below "The Pin Holes" and then you "will" get an airy suck....
Saturation was not related to your original question and is irrelevant... You bring this up to dance around the subject of how juice could possibly feed into a carto without a hole in the side of the casing or up the center hole of the carto with the loosey goosey non altered standard carto method...
Since now hopefully you may have grasped how air and or fluid could possibly be sucked up through a "Boge" carto with the center hole plugged on the center pin. Now I will explain how it is "possible" to feed juice from the Vmod into said carto.
Vapage atties and silos do not have the "pin holes" on the sides of the base.... They do not feed from the bottom of the atty/carto but feed by way of the groves at the base of the casing.... Correct?.... The feeding chamber is fed by a pin hole not much bigger than the ones on the sides of the threads on a carto/atty... But yields enough juice to saturate a "Vapage" atty/silos ymmv.... Correct?... The above "You" know to be true... Correct?... This feeding hole that feeds to the "Vapage" atties/silos sits above the threads that said atty/silo screws into... Correct?... If you take a un-modded "Boge" carto and screw it all the way in the pin holes will be covered by the threads of the feeding chamber/connection thus cutting of air flow/juice flow... You will be able to get some air flow through the base where juice drips down to the "catch cup" but this is not how feeding occurs on the Vmod... By not screwing the un-modded "boge" carto all the way way into the fitting you leave the "pin holes" exposed that could possibly suck juice up from the feeding chamber on a dry pull... Once said juice is sucked up on a dry pull you get that slight gurgle then fire and vape...
Thanks for adding the pic to your last post.... That pic is a generic representation of 90% or better of all carto/attie bases on the market.... The pin holes may be larger or smaller but effectively present on nearly all atties/cartos on the market. Some might be plugged by insulator but they are still there and are drilled through to the center chamber...
Fernand... since you added the pic that proves my comments on the design of the base of your basic attie/carto.. Here as an analogy a 5 year old can follow... Take a straw and plug the end and then stick into a soda and suck on it.. What do you get? Nodda... Cut 2 holes in the side submerge below the fluid level and then suck... What do you get? A mouthful of soda... Once that fluid drops below the holes in the side.... What do you get? AIR-FLOW
Can you now see the forest through the trees....
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@Socotay, I don't know what you're talking about. If you plug the center post on a Boge with anything, conical toothpick or silicone, you can suck all you want on the top of the carto, it's plugged. End of story. The pinholes only connect to the connector side cup, I mean, Lawd, look at the photo! The post that's normally there seals the central hole. If it didn't, you would be able to suck air when the center post's hole is plugged, and you can't. It's physically impossible for anything to enter the carto that way. Juice can only enter through the center post.
Guess your boges are different than mine then. I ordered some to try out (personally, I don't like them near as much as the silos, but that's irrelevant), so today I tested it out by putting an unmodded boge on a vmod, loosened it slightly, and vaped it hard all day (ran a bottle and a half through it). Results? Dry as a bone above the seal. I removed the catch cup, and there isn't even a hint of any liquid in it. When I remove the carto, the only moisture anywhere is in a line above the threads and below the base - right where the air holes are. So I guess magically the juice somehow jumped from the bottle to the carto without ever going through the center tube (never any gurlgling after feeding, and not a hint in the catch cup) or it fed through the holes.
I've taken apart lots of them too, and every one I've ever seen has had a way to get air (and juice) from those holes into the filler of the carto.
I relent.... You Mr. Fernand are always right and everybody else is always wrong when disputing your comments and representations... There is no possible way liquid could leak from the pin holes from a "boge" carto when it is attached to my ego battery when over-filling with e-liquid... The very fact that leakage may or may not have occurred is my imagination... Its quite possible the liquid dripping down the side of my ego batt seeped up through the threads of the fitting drenching the sides of said battery.... I am totally wrong and you are the master of all ecig related......
@scotay, we must be talking past each other somehow. I'm baffled. Are you saying that missing center post on the photo doesn't fill that center hole? That's the only way anything could get inside the carto. I don't follow your analogies. The results I get are as I described, and photograped. I can't change that. It doesn't make me "right or wrong". I'm trying to understand where you're saying the entry point is. But YMMV, and it's great if people can suck up all that juice so it doesn't pool.
@Jazzguy, just fully seal/plug just the center post air inlet (pointy toothpick works) and tell us how the Boges feed. If juice goes directly into the carto from the pinholes, you should be able to get juice in that way.
@Jazzguy, just fully seal/plug just the center post air inlet (pointy toothpick works) and tell us how the Boges feed. If juice goes directly into the carto from the pinholes, you should be able to get juice in that way.
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My analogy is very simple.... If I have a "Boge" carto on my Inferno/ego clone battery and I put to much e-liquid in it I get e-liquid dripping down the sides of said battery... I doubt the liquid seeped up through the threads from the bottom of the carto... None the less I had a mess... That being said... Where did the liquid come from? And no I did not fill the carto until it overfilled and poured out the top... The only explanation is it came from the pin holes... If juice can get out the pin holes then it is logical to assume juice can get in the pin holes... That is my analogy...
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