The Wizard - Why not?

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TonyLoco2

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Hey charged! I'm glad to see you're keeping things up. (nicotine too I saw the post on the autofeed "finger" liquid delivery) I think this could really change the vapors enjoy this great thing we all share.

Quick question. I was watching some stuff on YouTube from VapeFest (didn't get to go :( ) and I saw that one of the vendor tables had a wizard stick on it. Do you know anything about that?
 

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This particular video was just a slide show, I noticed it @ about 4:55-5:00 into it. Not sure which vendors table this is.(Apparently I'm still a noob on the forum I have to make 15 posts to be able to post links.)

It's at youtube then a .com then a / then watch?v=tAPcJSIcLnU


There's bunches of actual videos from vapefest, but this caught my eye. I also heard Cisco talking about some new developments with atomizers on the VaporCast broadcast of VapeFest, but he wouldn't go into specifics. I'm not sure if it was in reference to this thread or something else he had going on. But just thought I'd update you guys on our community's little social scoop lol.

And Nicotime sorry about mispelling your name I was on my iPhone and it auto corrected to nicotine...slightly humorous.
 

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nico you just crack me up man I'll bet you're a lot of fun at parties.:D

Tony, thank you for that link to the vapefest video.

GOT IT.
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I just can't make out the name xxxx Mist?
 
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Lol I didn't cacth taht the fisrt tmie I raed it. Might explained why I popped so many attys when I first started doing battery mods lol.

On that note any ideas as to if developments in regards to this atomizer designs might make our beloved highvolt experience possible without the need to stack batteries? It would be cool to see things like the SB peforming as they do now or better for a few consecutive days without a recharge with a parralel setup. And think of the size reductions for future single cell mods!

(sigh) it makes me all fuzzy inside...in a purely masculine and heterosexual manor...um...yea meaybe editing video all night and posting on th ECF @ 6am wasn't such a good idea.
 

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Spent some time with this yesterday.

Was able to disassemble a clogged generator from the stock Wizard stick without breaking the glass tube.

Here is what a clogged heater looks like.
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You can see the very fine wire I posted about earlier. They call this the wetting wire. Most of it is in tact but the top portion broke off as I was pulling it out of the metal tube.
 

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On that note any ideas as to if developments in regards to this atomizer designs might make our beloved highvolt experience possible without the need to stack batteries? It would be cool to see things like the SB peforming as they do now or better for a few consecutive days without a recharge with a parralel setup. And think of the size reductions for future single cell mods!

Not sure how far we can go using this technique. Somewhere in here there is a thread where you can purchase an atomizer at whatever resistance you want.

It all comes down to controlling optimum temperature. Different mixes of e-juice could contain just about anything. What's in the juice will dictate the temperature needed for optimum atomization. Today you could love what you're vaping and think it is the perfect vape device and liquid. Tomorrow you're vaping a different liquid in the same device and start wondering if there is something wrong with your device becuse it's not as good as it was yesterday or it tastes weird or there is not enough vapor. You could play with voltages and coil resistance all day long and still not get it right.

Cartridges and cartomizers can be too wet/too dry or your power vaping them and the whole thing gets hot and changes the way the fluid is wicking. It's pretty much a crap shoot using the methods available right now. I happened to notice that the Wizard design essentially allows the user continuos adjustment of the amount of liquid delivered to the heating coil, so you are acting like a type of variable voltage/heating source and by varying the pressure applied you are controlling the temperature and atomization of the liquid.

I'm just trying to take it one step further and provide a more forgiving and convenient heat delivery method than what is provided in the stock Wizard. I don't think that what I'm doing could be applied to the traditional e-cig.

nicotime is looking at using a glass atomizer more in line with the methods used in traditional e-cigs, except he is applying a unique fluid delivery technique. I think his design would be more suitable for standard atty useage. How's that coming nico?:)
 

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Did some work on this yesterday and proceeded to completely piss-off the misses by creating quite a mess in different areas of the house and garage. Not much fun (for me anyway) sleeping with my wizard and dremel tool last night.:oops:

Round 3 new coil wind. Decided to try bifilar coil wind. (2) 38awg nichrome wires with 8 turns in parallel. Total resistance is 5 ohms. This should get maximum localized temperature in a pretty small area.
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I hacked up one of my old clogged Wizards. Pulled the original heater assembly out. I wanted to verify it is possible to get the new glass heater tube seated in the stock position. Then see if the liquid can be delivered to my new heater the same as it was to the stock heater.

Tube went in OK through the original O'ring seal.
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Hacked up Wizard.
I actually used 2 glass tubes with a small amount of silicone tubing (thanks nico) acting as a insulation/heat barrier between the heating coil assembly and the glass tube inserted in the liquid chamber.
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Ran a little test. Still have some work to do.
YouTube - Coil3.MOV
 

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nico you just crack me up man I'll bet you're a lot of fun at parties.:D

Naw..not me...I just sit by the door with a mirror taped to my shoe while the hotties walk by.:pervy:


I just can't make out the name xxxx Mist?

Looks like Robert Jack on the card.

Looking good C., Hows the quartz tubing holding up?

I am getting frustrated trying to find parts to make my thing work...I really need my machine shop back! I also have to admit since the weather has improved I am starting to hit the towpath on the canal biking and fishing and trying to keep this discrepant body moving. Winters are not good to these bones.:(
 

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Thats not power control, thats voltage control using pwm. Similar to using adjustable voltage regulator like an LM317 to vary the voltage up and down. You could have done the same thing by replacing that resistor with a potentiometer in your TI regulator mod. I don't think pulsing the coil will help get the fluid to flow. Maybe if you could hit some kind of resonance by varying the frequency to the coil, but I doubt it would do much.

No problem with this quartz tubing it takes the heat easily. Just for grins I heated it to red hot and stuck it in a glass of icewater and didn't harm it at all. This is some tough stuff.
 
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Hmmm I see.

Sorry, I should have noted this on the finger atty page to be more clear, just smack me, I know not where I am most of the time. :confused: I was talking more about the wick design like I have. From watching the wick when heated...when it gets hot the fluid tends to back away somewhat from the coil. If when it started to back away from a front coil...energize a rear coil to push it back again and just keep alternating like that. Is there a simpler way to do that than with a 555?
 
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