The Writings On The Wall?

[ScottP]

Selling stuff that the user has to keep buying Again and Again and Again isn't a Bad Business Model. And BT knows that the Pre-Deeming, all Stocked Up Crowd, isn't going to be their Customers.

So they are looking more at the Next Generation of "e-Cigarette" users. The Ones who Haven't Quit Smoking Yet.

They aren't going to be happy with that and will be trying to get brand new people to use their products as well, not just former smokers. I don't think hobbyists and DIY'ers will be of any more concern to them than "roll your own" smokers were. They will make it as hard as possible for anyone else to compete though. Really, while it sucks for the consumers, it is smart business.

I know plenty of people for whom running a PT on a Spinner is way too much bother.

Yes I know quite a few as well, and for those people willing to incur a higher ongoing cost in the name of convenience the BT ecigs will be good products and these users will definitely be their primary targets. There are a lot of them out there.

Gottlieb seems to be addressing flavors currently...we shall see where that takes us. I agree the writing is on the wall, and I don't think it looks very good for things as we have had them till now?

For DIY juice users I don't see how Deeming Regs can have any effect since we are using food flavorings. I just can't see him banning food flavor sales or trying to justify a huge tax on those raw flavorings. The ONLY things that could possibly impact me at this point are the devices and the nic base.

 

[ENAUD]

For DIY juice users I don't see how Deeming Regs can have any effect since we are using food flavorings. I just can't see him banning food flavor sales or trying to justify a huge tax on those raw flavorings. The ONLY things that could possibly impact me at this point are the devices and the nic base.

Yes, I agree for the most part with this, but I use tobacco flavors, again, I could just go without flavoring just fine...the way I was meaning to refer to the flavor thing, was in regards to folks who buy vendor eliquid. If they go too far in limiting flavors, I believe a lot of vapers will be turned off if they wind up limited to flavor choices that may not be appealing to them.

The deeming won't affect me in any way, I've made sure of that some time ago....

 

[zoiDman]

They aren't going to be happy with that and will be trying to get brand new people to use their products as well, not just former smokers. ...

But that is where the Deeming was suppose to give BT the Upper Hand.

Because without Deeming, or with a Deeming that Isn't really being Stringently Enforced, BT has a Tough Row to Hoe selling their wares to anyone who has tried anything more than a Pen Style starter kit.

 

[englishmick]

On the subject of people being put off by the difficulties of our type of vaping, I just saw a thread in New Members titled "Vaping Is Too Complicated". The OP says it all. Hope he makes it through.

 

[Letitia]

On the subject of people being put off by the difficulties of our type of vaping, I just saw a thread in New Members titled "Vaping Is Too Complicated". The OP says it all. Hope he makes it through.

Read that thread. OP created the complications to an extent. I too hope OP figures it out, but vaping is not everyone's cup of tea.

 

[AzPlumber]

Given the history of BT I suspect they will/are/did develop e-liquids with a bigger "hook" than just nicotine.

 

[Letitia]

Given the history of BT I suspect they will/are/did develop e-liquids with a bigger "hook" than just nicotine.

This has been my fear since I started vaping and one of the reasons I started looking into diy.

 

[ScottP]

Read that thread. OP created the complications to an extent. I too hope OP figures it out, but vaping is not everyone's cup of tea.

It's not that complicated either. Especially if you are using a tank with drop in coils and buy pre-made juice.

 

[ScottP]

Given the history of BT I suspect they will/are/did develop e-liquids with a bigger "hook" than just nicotine.

I do not doubt that one bit. In fact that could be the reason they PMI designed the IQoS to use real tobacco.

 

[lynn508]

I don't trust any cig company or the FDA for that matter.. Only way to go is diy and building your own coils. Better to learn to be self sufficient in the future years.

 

[Letitia]

I don't trust any cig company or the FDA for that matter.. Only way to go is diy and building your own coils. Better to learn to be self sufficient in the future years.

I agree, think it sucks, but it is what it is. Up to the individual to take control of their vape or simply deal with the reality.

 

[Caterpiller]

I don't trust any cig company or the FDA for that matter.. Only way to go is diy and building your own coils. Better to learn to be self sufficient in the future years.

I don't disagree with you, but I think this view is somewhat USA centric.

I'm English and living in Malaysia and neither Europe or Malaysia have any obvious plans to restrict the supply of vaping supplies.

Yes Europe is trying to restrict tanks to 2ml and the juice bottles to 10ml, but we should still able to vape into the future without stockpiles.

 

[Stoneface]

I don't trust any cig company or the FDA for that matter.. Only way to go is diy and building your own coils. Better to learn to be self sufficient in the future years.

Agreed, but most people can't start out this way...I know I didn't. Most people, I think, start out with some sort of closed system, like a pod system. So it stands to reason that many new vapers will get caught up in whatever BT system that has been "approved" by the government.

I'm just hoping that the government doesn't find a way to keep those folks from moving on to more advanced devices. If they do, then that will affect our vaping....

 

[Letitia]

Agreed, but most people can't start out this way...I know I didn't. Most people, I think, start out with some sort of closed system, like a pod system. So it stands to reason that many new vapers will get caught up in whatever BT system that has been "approved" by the government.

I'm just hoping that the government doesn't find a way to keep those folks from moving on to more advanced devices. If they do, then that will affect our vaping....

I started with a very simple 30w istick and a Nauti. Quickly replaced the Nauti with a Kanger STM and it was months before I would even consider using the rba. Was almost 3 years before I took the diy plunge. I too would hate for BT to grab the new vapor's market with IQOS as I feel they may be more harmful than vaping with an open system. Still probably less harmful than smoking so if it helps smokers quit who am I to judge.