Its a hypocritical rule. I expect the leading forum for e-cigs to hold themselves to the same standards in which this industry is wanting ANTZ to hold themselves to..
We don't want the FDA to restrict e-cigs because of some personal vendetta against nicotine.
I don't want ECF to restrict clones because of some personal vendetta against "the theft of other's hard work and innovation"
The consumer purchase of a clone is not illegal and therefore should not be restricted by this site. Its not that I have an affection for clones... I have an affection for a well made product at a reasonable price. The greed of American companies seem to think the correct philosophy to a successful business is to control demand by limiting supply and jacking the prices. That in itself, is unethical. I wont give my business to companies who fail to understand that consumers should dictate the market, and to find an equilibrium point. This is why foreign competition is winning.
Because of the personal views of admin, this forum, consisting of hundreds of thousands of members are missing out on the opportunity to participate in cooperative operations in which we could get some of the most well made functioning products at unbelievable bulk discounted rates.
Anyone know of a good forum that does co-ops for clones?
So you support theft of intellectual property so long as it is done in a manner that takes advantage of the high cost of legally seeking protection from a government.
In my book, theft is theft, I don't need a law to tell me its wrong to steal.
I mentioned at some point the cost of seeking patents, its around $20,000 here in the states, and a US patent only protects you in the US. Assuming somewhat similar costs in every country, seeking patent protection would cost many millions of dollars.
Couple this with the size of the market and you have just added something north of $300 to the cost of each and every patented bit of vape gear you could own.
If we tack on the current price of authentic mods to that $300 your looking at a range of $350-$30,300 for authentic mods and atties.
No modder in the world has recouped enough money to even begin to get world wide patent protection.
Even going on the assumption that they would, that has never stopped clones from existing. Or people from buying them.
Buying a clone is taking unfair advantage of someone without the wherewithal to protect themselves. Its having sex with a passed out girl at a party, its taking candy from a child, its plain old wrong any way you slice it.
There is no justification for taking advantage of someone simply because you can get away with it.
Sure modders could just not produce mods, and girls could just not attend parties, and kids could just stick by dad, but they shouldn't have to modify their lives to gain protection from the lowest of the low.
People who clone are thieves, people who support cloners are too, I don't particularly care if you find a way to do so that slips past the legal wording of theft, a thief is a thief.
Maurice
Markus(?) think thats it has been threatening to sue any reseller who touches those clones and TBH I'm a bit surprised he's been the first I have seen to really throw his weight around on the issue. Perhaps cause they literally copied his signature on this one. 
