There is no law against buying fake purses, so why does ECF not allow clones?

[edyle]

Considering the fact that I can go to the mall, flea market, T.J. Maxx or Ross to buy a fake handbag... Why does ECF not allow clones in classified or co-op? I tried to start a interest for the new steel punk slug mod clone and it was closed. I received a pm saying that I should be careful with my clones and if I get caught with one, it is a felony. I call B.S. on that. I tried googling it and cant find anything stating that it is illegal to own a knockoff. Only that it may be illegal to manufacture such a thing. As consumers, that doesn't affect us and isn't our business.
If a company wants to seek legal action against someone replicating their product, that is their business. It should not be the business of ECF to restrict awesome opportunities of obtaining high quality clones at cheap bulk discounts because of their personal views. It is almost the same principle as us being angry at the ANTZ for trying to restrict our access to e-cigs simply because of their personal vendetta against nicotine.

If you posted the pm we could read it for ourselves instead of hearsay.

But based on your description of "steel punk slug mod clone"

Steel Punk is the original producer; so when you put 'steel punk clone' that sounds like a counterfiet product.

I'm sure there are lots of Kayfun clones and Protank clones being sold all over the place, but you won't see much of
"svoemesto Kayfun clones" or "KangerTech Protank clones"

 

[Circa Survivor]

Call it theft,terrorism whatever!!!!
You all bought clone .... in ur life... The clone are just a copy they are not the exact thing and not price the same way.. If u have the money then buy authentic, if ur broke like me,,I willmake sure my $100 will go a long way, manufacturers should lower the prices and help me out... Can't afford 289 the boss mod by cartel mod,, that's way over price...peace
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Hmm.... I don't know what to make of this incoherent mess of words.

 

[Amraann]

If you posted the pm we could read it for ourselves instead of hearsay.

But based on your description of "steel punk slug mod clone"

Steel Punk is the original producer; so when you put 'steel punk clone' that sounds like a counterfiet product.

I'm sure there are lots of Kayfun clones and Protank clones being sold all over the place, but you won't see much of
"Svoemesto Kayfun clones" or "KangerTech Protank clones"

I do not think we are permitted to copy PM's we recieve to the forum.

 

[spartanstew]

Of course a company would not sell knockoffs from another company on their website. Are you implying that ECF has a vested interest in some of the authentic clone companies? If not, this is a poor comparison. This is a ecig forum that discusses ecigs in a broad format, there are even dedicated threads to address the clone market.

 

[ImThatGuy]

ECF forum = ECF rules.

Your home = Your rules.

 

[wonkeypickle]

lol kanye comes on stage with a fake louis belt, yells into the mic "IT'S JUST A LEATHER STRAP TO KEEP MY PANTS ON!!!"

 

[realsis]

Rules are rules. Like them or not we need to follow them. That said (I'm probably going to get a lot of flack for this but..) I think clones give people the opportunity to have a product they might not otherwise be able to afford. I saw it put like this on a website that I was buying a clone from " you can buy the clone to see if you like the product and if you do then you can spend the money to get the original" that was a interesting way of putting it.I myself am greatful for clones. I otherwise would not be able to afford the product. I do understand the opposing argument but I'm being completely honest here. I can't afford 180.00 for a atomizer but I can at times afford 40.00. I do think clones have their place (as I hide under the table) don't be too harsh on me guys, I'm only speaking my honnest opinion. ..

 

[edyle]

I do not think we are permitted to copy PM's we recieve to the forum.

That wouldn't make sense;

especially in a case like this where a moderator (I presume) sends a pm explaining an infraction of a rule; that matter is of general interest; chances are the moderator specified exactly what the problem was, and this is the problem with the OP; we do not know what the infraction was.


====edit====
But turns out you are correct:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ecf-forum-rules/51178-forum-rules.html
rule#12

12. Communications considered private
Posting the content of PMs or personal emails on the forum is not allowed. All PMs and emails are deemed to be confidential and cannot be made public except with the prior written consent of the author.

 

[David Stevens]

The points not about $$
How expensive authentic or cheap clones are compared to said authentic
The issue
Is trademark copying
Its illegal to make a copy of an item
And place the original makers trademark on the item
Everyone is free to copy something
But to copy something
And place original makers mark on the knockoff product is
Illegal
Its a very simple law
Thats been in place for a long time
In the USA

Do not put original makers mark's
Of fake products


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[twgbonehead]

I think the graphic would be improved if there was a little mist.

 

[The Cloud Minder]

The points not about $$
How expensive authentic or cheap clones are compared to said authentic
The issue
Is trademark copying
Its illegal to make a copy of an item
And place the original makers trademark on the item
Everyone is free to copy something
But to copy something
And place original makers mark on the knockoff product is
Illegal
Its a very simple law
Thats been in place for a long time
In the USA

Do not put original makers mark's
Of fake products


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I would be perfectly cool buying a clone that didn't have the original's logo on it. In fact I would prefer it if unmarked.

 

[The Cloud Minder]

That is friggin awesome.

 

[Circa Survivor]

The points not about $$
How expensive authentic or cheap clones are compared to said authentic
The issue
Is trademark copying
Its illegal to make a copy of an item
And place the original makers trademark on the item
Everyone is free to copy something
But to copy something
And place original makers mark on the knockoff product is
Illegal
Its a very simple law
Thats been in place for a long time
In the USA

Do not put original makers mark's
Of fake products


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Ya.... But it's China, and they don't care, so why would clone buyers care? We can buy clones all we want, its not illegal.

 

[Sirius]

Ya.... But it's China, and they don't care, so why would clone buyers care? We can buy clones all we want, its not illegal.

 

[steved5600]

First off its not ECF that did that it was ECC. Get your facts strait.

 

[KewelGirl19]

Sooooo then…… are "ego" batteries allowed to be sold on the classifieds?

 

[twall]

I would imagine it's like fake Rolexes. You can buy one, you can own one, but it is a VERY big no-no to be caught selling one.

It's not buying a counterfeit that is illegal. It is the selling of it. And so many "clones" are just that. Exact copies of the donor DNA. Copies are counterfeit. Counterfeit are fakes. Fakes are illegal.

Maybe clones should leave off every trademarked symbol and phrase it reproduces, eh?

 

[Racehorse]

Considering the fact that I can go to the mall, flea market, T.J. Maxx or Ross to buy a fake handbag... Why does ECF not allow clones in classified or co-op?

Privately owned forum, pays their hosting fees and $$ to keep this place going, can make whatever rules they want---esp. rules that they feel ultimately protect their members, are in best interest to their members, and what they feel is philosophically *ethical*.

 

[Racehorse]

Sooooo then…… are "ego" batteries allowed to be sold on the classifieds?

That's not a counterfeit. That is a clone.

A counterfeit would be an ego battery with a Joyetech logo, that isn't made by Joyetech.

I have no idea why this is such a hard distinction for some to make.

Maybe my analogy will make sense:

"Egos" are like "blue jeans". Although "blue jeans" were invented by Jacob Davis and Levi Strauss in 1873, Thousands of companies make jeans, that are blue and are made out of denim.

But if somebody were selling jeans that were blue denim, and putting the Levi's tag on them, that would be counterfeiting.

Popular things are copied and cloned all the time. It's not just ecigs or stuff made in china. It's fine to buy blue jeans, they all look a little different from each other if you really know your jeans and jean history and companies. (I do.) That Wrangler "W" on the pockets is very particular to Wrangler, and there are jeans that have a W on the back, at least they try to make one with stitching BUT they do not carry the "Wrangler" tag on them. Because they aren't wranglers, they are just "western style blue jeans."

edit: P.S. Any real cowgirl/cowboy worth their salt KNOWS what a genuine pair of Wrangler Slim Cowboy Cut jeans looks like. On or off the shelf --- Besides just the way they make a .... look.......

 

[twall]

That's not a counterfeit. That is a clone.

A counterfeit would be an ego battery with a Joyetech logo, that isn't made by Joyetech.

I have no idea why this is such a hard distinction for some to make.

This is so true. I just bought a KFL+ copy. Not a clone, but a straight up fake. It had all the SM badging all over it. If it was a "sterile rep" (as they call it in the wristwatch world) WITHOUT all the obviosly ripped off badging, it wouldn't seem so sleazy and cheap. After all, it's a friggin' $120 tank, not a $20,000 Rolex. There is no call for this. I didn't notice it had the ripoff badging till I got home.

Too bad, it's otherwise a great RTA