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I am bipolar and when my anxiety goes through the roof vaping doesn't cut it I can't get what I am seeking. But if I grab a analog I can calm down within the time it takes to finish the analog. I don't get it


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My gf has bipolar and the ecig just isn't cutting it for her either. I've been considering wta myself, but have my concerns due to the nature of such a juice and the known dangers of tobacco.

I'm curious as to what the known dangers of tobacco are. I know that smoking is bad for your health but I was under the impression that the problem lies in the additives not the tobacco itself.
 

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I'm curious as to what the known dangers of tobacco are. I know that smoking is bad for your health but I was under the impression that the problem lies in the additives not the tobacco itself.

Actually, the problems stem from the combustion of said tobacco, paper, and additives combined. However, it should be noted that tobacco alone can indeed cause cancer as well, i.e. chew.

As far as the dangers of vaping are concerned, personally, I don't believe nicotine to be at all good for you, though, I believe that nicotine used in vaping is safer than used in a traditional cigarette. Though, that is just my speculation. Take it as you will.

Edit: As far as the whole tobacco alkaloids are concerned, some of the vendors/distributors had a site in which their chemist believed that wta's could potentially contain more carcinogenic material, as opposed to regular e-juice. My speculation would be TSNA, or, tobacco specific nitroamines - a carcinogen that naturally derives from tobacco and tobacco products.

If it's any consolation, studies have shown the amount of these TSNA's found in standard e-liquid to equate to that of a FDA regulated nicotine patch.
 
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I think we're derailing this thread, but the earlier question about the dangers of tobacco reminded me of something. I read an article last week on the subject and it was mentioned that the Swedish government requires no warning labels on snus as they've found no correlation between cancer and the use of snus. Apparently the method used for curing snus doesn't make it carcinogenic.
 

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Natural tobacco has an MAOI inhibitor that you are not getting. There are other safer ways of getting it. Swedish Snus is one way. It doesn't seem to be cancer causing.

I'm not so sure about this as MAOIs come with severe restrictions and I'm sure there would have to be warning labels and such if that were the case.
 

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I'm not so sure about this as MAOIs come with severe restrictions and I'm sure there would have to be warning labels and such if that were the case.

I don't think that they meant MAOI's are put into cigarettes. However, I believe it is true that cigarette smoking inhibits monoamine oxidase.

Edit: Sorry for all of the derail. OP, have you considered raising the nic strength that you're using?
 

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Edit: Sorry for all of the derail. OP, have you considered raising the nic strength that you're using?

Bingo, in the 'pure' vaping genre!

Do you normally smoke and vape?

No... but I'm not bi-polar. I stopped smokin' 'bakky with my first vape. Yes, I'm lucky. But that does not mean that some folk may not need extra 'reinforcement'!
 
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I am bipolar and when my anxiety goes through the roof vaping doesn't cut it I can't get what I am seeking. But if I grab a analog I can calm down within the time it takes to finish the analog.


Being bipolar myself this isn't good news. I haven't had a big down episode since I'm only vaping so I'm still to discover what's gonna happen. But getting a stinky cig in that state will just make additional pressure. Bummer.
 

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I'm not bipolar as far as I know. However, I did experience a similar situation in the early months of my new habit. When I had gotten to a number of cigarettes I could count on one hand and approaching zero without even trying, there were moments of stress that would send me outside for a real smoke.

I conquered that with higher nic juice. Even then, I finally realized that vaping does not equal smoking. It just never will, for me anyway. As a raw beginner, I tried 14-16mg and was still smoking. 24mg got me to 4-5 a day but always had an empty sensation when vaping. 36mg got me over the hill. Vaping satisfies to about 95%, but stressful moments will set off a craving. This is where the only real effort I had to exert in order to quit smoking had to be applied: just get through 15-30 minutes and vape like a maniac and the craving passes. The high nic also insured that if I did cave and light a real one, there was absolutely zero satisfaction in it. Due to the recent chain vaping it would also create an unpleasant nic overload that made it even less appealing next time.

For over a year my all day vape has been ordered at 36mg. Anything less would leave me feeling unsatisfied. Recently upgrading my equipment has produced better vapor and I've been doing fine with some 26 and 30mg juice. When I started, WTA juices weren't really available as far as I know. Even now that they are, I am avoiding it since I really don't want to introduce a solution to a problem that has already faded to nearly nothing over the course of two years.

Another side benefit that was so obvious I never noticed it was "leaving the scene." Always going outside to smoke takes me away from, or at least distracts me from a stressful situation. Your name and profile suggest an occupation where "escape" isn't always feasible. I also own two semi trucks, although I don't drive full time. I can't speak for you (or any other truck driver) but my stress when out on the road happens more often at a shipper or when processing paperwork or hustling the next load at the truck stop. In those cases there is an opportunity to walk away or go do something else for 15-30 minutes for that distraction. A few laps around the truck cussing and kicking tires usually does the job. Actually driving is not stressful for the most part. I'm one of those drivers that can sit in gridlock or get stuck behind grandpas RV for miles and not get stressed. The rare times it is stressful (crazy traffic, bad weather) I'm usually so focused on getting through it safely that I wouldn't even be thinking about vaping or smoking for that matter. When the ruckus dies down, I smooth out the crease in the seat, stretch out, and reach for my PV LOL.
 

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Being bipolar myself this isn't good news. I haven't had a big down episode since I'm only vaping so I'm still to discover what's gonna happen. But getting a stinky cig in that state will just make additional pressure. Bummer.

I'm BP1 so it might be different for me. It always happens on the downside slide I get extreme anxiety mixed with flash anger, usually 1 or 2 will calm me down but I will throw out that because of my job I don't take meds.


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A lot of what Cigarette smokers are missing is the ENTIRE RITUAL that comes with smoking analogs! Rituals that are missing when we finally switch to electronic cigarettes. The Smell of the Tobacco, the pulling it out, the lighting it up. THE TIME IT TAKES to smoke one, sorry didn't mean to shout but I'm leaving it!

With an electronic you just pull out the batt and start puffing away. And don't forget about the extra crap that Big Tobacco throws in with the analogs that the FDA allows them to do. That extra stuff is there to get the smoker even more addicted to analogs. Its a loose loose situation.
 

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I'm not bipolar as far as I know. However, I did experience a similar situation in the early months of my new habit. When I had gotten to a number of cigarettes I could count on one hand and approaching zero without even trying, there were moments of stress that would send me outside for a real smoke.

I conquered that with higher nic juice. Even then, I finally realized that vaping does not equal smoking. It just never will, for me anyway. As a raw beginner, I tried 14-16mg and was still smoking. 24mg got me to 4-5 a day but always had an empty sensation when vaping. 36mg got me over the hill. Vaping satisfies to about 95%, but stressful moments will set off a craving. This is where the only real effort I had to exert in order to quit smoking had to be applied: just get through 15-30 minutes and vape like a maniac and the craving passes. The high nic also insured that if I did cave and light a real one, there was absolutely zero satisfaction in it. Due to the recent chain vaping it would also create an unpleasant nic overload that made it even less appealing next time.

For over a year my all day vape has been ordered at 36mg. Anything less would leave me feeling unsatisfied. Recently upgrading my equipment has produced better vapor and I've been doing fine with some 26 and 30mg juice. When I started, WTA juices weren't really available as far as I know. Even now that they are, I am avoiding it since I really don't want to introduce a solution to a problem that has already faded to nearly nothing over the course of two years.

Another side benefit that was so obvious I never noticed it was "leaving the scene." Always going outside to smoke takes me away from, or at least distracts me from a stressful situation. Your name and profile suggest an occupation where "escape" isn't always feasible. I also own two semi trucks, although I don't drive full time. I can't speak for you (or any other truck driver) but my stress when out on the road happens more often at a shipper or when processing paperwork or hustling the next load at the truck stop. In those cases there is an opportunity to walk away or go do something else for 15-30 minutes for that distraction. A few laps around the truck cussing and kicking tires usually does the job. Actually driving is not stressful for the most part. I'm one of those drivers that can sit in gridlock or get stuck behind grandpas RV for miles and not get stressed. The rare times it is stressful (crazy traffic, bad weather) I'm usually so focused on getting through it safely that I wouldn't even be thinking about vaping or smoking for that matter. When the ruckus dies down, I smooth out the crease in the seat, stretch out, and reach for my PV LOL.

Yes I drive full time and have for 23 years. It is the most relaxing thing I can do. Rush hour doesn't bother me at all.

Vaping is the best thing I have found to help me quit the stinkies. I have my Reo Grand on me every time I step out. I also am with you on the 36mg. Although lately I been cutting it down to 24.

The bipolar part isn't something that will pass in a few min, even if it was I don't have the ability to tell myself at that moment that it will pass. It's caused by a chemical imbalance in my brain. There is something in a "smoke" that sets me straight within a few moments. Stress and normal cravings aren't a problem for me as I stopped having them 8 months or so ago. I tried a few meds a few years ago but it had a bad effect on my performance. I was only able to drive a short while before I was unable to go on.

Being bipolar is what makes me extremely good at my job.


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Yes I drive full time and have for 23 years. It is the most relaxing thing I can do. Rush hour doesn't bother me at all.

Vaping is the best thing I have found to help me quit the stinkies. I have my Reo Grand on me every time I step out. I also am with you on the 36mg. Although lately I been cutting it down to 24.

The bipolar part isn't something that will pass in a few min, even if it was I don't have the ability to tell myself at that moment that it will pass. It's caused by a chemical imbalance in my brain. There is something in a "smoke" that sets me straight within a few moments. Stress and normal cravings aren't a problem for me as I stopped having them 8 months or so ago. I tried a few meds a few years ago but it had a bad effect on my performance. I was only able to drive a short while before I was unable to go on.

Being bipolar is what makes me extremely good at my job.


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Howdy LongHaul
Been lookin for ya at the FlyingJ. LOL
My opinion on this is that if It's an occasional cigarette that keeps you off those horrible meds??? Just do it man. No guilts.
Vape when ya can friend. & stay safe out there.
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I been around just had a rough couple weeks......

The first time it happend I felt like a complete failure but I learned over time that it only takes a couple and then I go right back to vaping... So no regrets


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Nicotine is only one of a number of tobacco alkaloids, and these other alkaloids are MAIOs and they work in conjunction with nicotine.
Many or most people don't NEED those other alkaloids, but some most definitely seem to need them as much or more than the actual nicotine.

It is almost certainly an issue with the fact that you are no longer getting the other tobacco alkaloids.

There are two things you absolutely should try...

1) WTA juice
2) Swedish snus

Read this so you can learn more...
Whole Tabacco Alkaloid (WTA) juice
 
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