These people are going to kill themselves

[CommaHolly]

I respectfully disagree. If the seller misrepresented the tires as suited for it or disguised them as such, then yes it's on the seller. But if you are buying a vehicle (especially a performance vehicle) tires should be looked at by the buyer. Same applies to vaping, etc...

agreed,,,,,,

and although the vendor has some responsibility, I do believe it's a SHARED responsibility,,,,,,

I'd like the vendor to at least REPRESENT that these coils are for ADVANCED vapors who are well educated and NOT for beginners,,,,,

it at least let's people know that they need a certain degree of experience before attempting it,,,,

if they then attempt it anyway, that's on them.`

 

[Jay-dub]

*edited to add-
"you" is an abstract reference. I am not referring to keonee.**

If ya buy a corvette and wrap it around a tree because you didn't know what you were doing, it's your fault, not Chevrolet's.

It you blow your face off because you didn't know what you were doing with your vape it's YOUR fault.
Don't place blame for your stupidity on the shop owner.
Shops are not required to educate you. That's your job.

Darwinism at work. Evolution. The dumb die off.
Happens everyday in nature.

Only a fool would jump into anything like this without educating themselves.
It is not the publics responsibility to cover the asses of the foolish

The liability rests 100% in the user/buyer.

If you buy a corvette and go back a to the dealer a week later because it isn't running properly and they give you a part you would assume it's a part that meets your car's specs. If they just gave you a random part that blew up your car would it be your fault for not knowing how to engineer corvette parts? If you're in a Vape Shop with the PV you'll be using their coils on; it's reasonable to expect the staff is knowledgeable enough to know what kind of coil to build you. Basically, because it's hard to get return business from a dead person. Obviously, some vape shops aren't too worried about return business. Reminds me of the motorcycle shop I used to go to. I swear they were trying to kill me. I'd find screws missing and and entire jobs (brakes and drive belts seem important on a motorcycle) that they didn't do.

 

[Steamix]

Sole responsibilty, shared responsibility, waiver, no waiver...

could become moot when some ambulance chaser slams down a thick wad of litigation paperwork on the counter of your vapeshop.
Means you will have a LOT of coil wrapping (sub-ohm or otherwise) to do just to pay another ambulance chaser to fend off that lawsuit. Isn't gonna help the store owner, isn't gonna help the kid with the gnawed-off looking mug, isn't gonna aid the vaping community...

ANTZs and other SIGs are going to milk it for the very last drop though...

Is it really worth it ?

 

[emus]

The best in the club lawyer often wins in spite of who should technically win.

 

[Coelli]

A shop I recently purchased an AGA-T2 from had me sign a waiver before building it for me, and one of my local B&Ms is about to go the same route. I think it's a wise move for the shops to try to protect themselves.

I have seen with my own eyes the cloud-chasing young men who want bigger, badder clouds of vape and ask the build guy to do something dangerous, only to get testy and confrontational when told no. In the second case the guy had never heard of Ohm's Law and didn't know anything about battery safety, he just wanted his clouds to be as big as his friend's and didn't like hearing no for an answer. These are the guys that are not helping us when legislators look for ammo.

 

[knotin1]

You guys have me scared. I am good at building coils. I test the ohms to be sure they are where I want them. I make sure they are clean, tight and text book looking. I build them between 1.4-1.8. Use in my kayfun clone on an itaste mvp. Should I be worried??

 

[Coelli]

No, at that resistance you are in the safe zone.

 

[knotin1]

Thanks. I have ventured as low as 1.3 but not enough adjustability for my liking.

 

[Rosenec]

No shop should build sub ohm coils 4 anyone. And they should be held liable in case of an accident. It's completely different to sell some one the tools to make something dangerous, then to sell something potentially dangerous.
You can't use the analogy of buy a car and getting in an accident. The dealership assumes you have proper knowledge and training to drive that car. They assume that because you have a drivers license. Which requires some schooling, and training to get.
Just my 2 cents

 

[roadie]

In my area, with all the kids looking to blow massive clouds, almost everyone just goes to the local vape shops gets a mod and battery (without knowing anything about batteries) has the shop wrap the coils for them and then off they go. They know nothing about the dangers of their builds. The shop always wraps dual coil 3 wraps of 28 (which is like .3-.5ohms usually right?) and these kids just vape till basically the batteries are so low it doesnt actually produce vapor. This is a rant, i apologize, but it just bugs me. Is anyone else experiencing this "fad" in their area

I should also add, as a personal experiment, i went into this same B&M with my mod equipped in 18350 mode. Had them wrap it and... he built the same dual 3 wrap coils (.4 when i tested it back home), and he didnt mention anything about battery safety or limits. He probably doesnt even know!

That's exactly what my local shop does too. 3 wraps 28 gauge. No questions asked.

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[HawaiiVPR]

"Its a battery, in a metal tube, it can only heat up wires, people need to relax..."

Yeah, you'll be surprised where I heard that one. I hate to say this, but I'm really looking forward to see the Darwin Award winner who lung inhales his "just a battery in a tube" pipe bomb and does some serious damage to what little remains between his/her ears.

IMHO, If a vape shop builds a pipe bomb mod and sells it to an imbecile who blows off his hand, I believe that vape store should be held accountable and close up shop. I also believe the imbecile had it coming too, and hopefully, that imbecile will find it harder to cause more problems now that he/she only has one hand left.

Just imagine going to a gun store and an employee offers to build you hot rounds that has twice the velocity and recoil as a normal round, but under condition you sign a waiver in case you blow up your gun... Yeah, have fun trying to use that in court!

 

[Vermonster13]

Just wait until the media gets a hold of one of these blowing up. "Unregulated ecig business leads to family death!" This thread probably has some expose reporter drooling as we post. Cruising So Cal shops looking for builds to buy just to show the risk real or imagined.

 

[emus]

I don't know if heavily modified APV extreme cloud chasing incident would get much media traction.
I wish dirt bike incidents would get media attention because too many kids get paralyzed.
And they walked away shows are not likely good for youth health.

 

[Bunnykiller]

*edited to add-
"you" is an abstract reference. I am not referring to keonee.**

If ya buy a corvette and wrap it around a tree because you didn't know what you were doing, it's your fault, not Chevrolet's.

It you blow your face off because you didn't know what you were doing with your vape it's YOUR fault.
Don't place blame for your stupidity on the shop owner.
Shops are not required to educate you. That's your job.

Darwinism at work. Evolution. The dumb die off.
Happens everyday in nature.

Only a fool would jump into anything like this without educating themselves.
It is not the publics responsibility to cover the asses of the foolish

The liability rests 100% in the user/buyer.

I agree with you completely...but when they are doing things that will jepordize my capacity to do it properly by having some organized power remove the goods from the market and deny me my juice... than no keep it away from them

 

[Dj Xy]

I don't know if heavily modified APV extreme cloud chasing incident would get much media traction.
I wish dirt bike incidents would get media attention because too many kids get paralyzed.
And they walked away shows are not likely good for youth health.

Oh exploding APV's get media attention, attention that leaves details leading to the incident off, and you know who gets blamed?..
The vape shop that sold the product.
Its happened before and the vender ended up closing (lawsuit maybe?)

 

[Dj Xy]

Only a fool would jump into anything like this without educating themselves.
It is not the publics responsibility to cover the asses of the foolish

The liability rests 100% in the user/buyer.

If only this is how it really worked, theres a reason coffee cups have warnings on them.

 

[zoiDman]

...

Only a fool would jump into anything like this without educating themselves.
It is not the publics responsibility to cover the asses of the foolish

The liability rests 100% in the user/buyer.

I don't think it is quite as Cut and Dried as this.

Many people who go to a B&M have the Mind Set the person who Sells them something will know something about it. And that a B&M shop would Never sell them something that could Blow Up in their Face.

Being Ignorance is sometimes not the same as being a Fool.

 

[emus]

Oh exploding APV's get media attention, attention that leaves details leading to the incident off, and you know who gets blamed?..
The vape shop that sold the product.
Its happened before and the vender ended up closing (lawsuit maybe?)

The media has been known to omit relevant details.

 

[Bad Ninja]

You guys twisting my analogy need to remember RBAs don't have batteries.

All of them can handle a .3 ohm build.
Mech batteries are sold separately, and it's the users fault if they use the wrong battery.
If you put 24 inch rims on yer corvette and flip it...... Well you get the picture.

Come on people.
Accept responsibility for your own purchases!!!!!
And your own stupid mistakes!!
If you blow your face off trying to look cool, it's on you.

Welcome to life.

 

[stevegmu]

Someone must save the children...