They are fudging the numbers.

[Robino1]

I'm a funeral director and have been in the death care field for 20 years. By my "seat of my pants" research, dealing with thousands of cases, smoking kills very few people at a young age, i.e. 40's, 50's, and 60's. The state of Maryland has had the question, "Did tobacco use contribute to the cause of death?" on our death certificates for about 15 years. I have only seen about five cases where the doctor checked yes. Even in cases where it would seem obvious, most doctors will check the "unknown" box. The fact is that it is very hard to tell if smoking causes certain diseases on an individual basis since many of us are predisposed, genetically, to certain diseases. I applaud these doctors for staying true to science and not caving to political pressure. It was due to doctors complaints that the "unknown" box was added. When the question was first put on death certificates the only choices were, yes, no, and maybe.

Exactly the point I was trying to make. Thank you for your educated observations.

The school of life and by being around certain fields for a long time, does make one educated. Not having a degree in something does not make one less smart.

 

[Renolizzie]

The statistics are generally kind of skewed, IMHO. For instance, does any 80 or 90 year old on the planet really die from smoking? That is definitely living a long life. And if it was a better life due to smoking, do we have a right to hate on them?

I'm not saying that smoking is good for you but the hate and lies are really concerning to me. Anything that takes 50 or more years to kill most of its users isn't so bad that we need to hate on them. People aren't stealing cars and jewelry to support their "habit". People shouldn't be so judgmental. See those smokers, they don't deserve healthcare. Next it is fat people and then we move on to people that work in factories, people that didn't finish high school, etc. etc.

It really stuns me when I read about third hand smoke and how babies are being put at risk through third hand smoke. Ridiculous. "Don't let grandpa hold the baby. He smokes and even though we make him go outside and we don't even let the baby see second hand smoke, there are dangerous toxins clinging to him that will hurt the baby."

 

[Ravensfan]

You also have to look at other contributing factors. What if a person is morbidly obese and smokes? What caused their death? With today's politically motivated science, they probably get counted twice. That way we can sue the tobacco companies and the sugary drink manufacturer.

 

[EddardinWinter]

Funny, so much so I will forgive you your handle. I will even congratulate you on being world champs. Not very easy for a Steelers fan to do either of those things....

 

[Robino1]

The statistics are generally kind of skewed, IMHO. For instance, does any 80 or 90 year old on the planet really die from smoking? That is definitely living a long life. And if it was a better life due to smoking, do we have a right to hate on them?

I'm not saying that smoking is good for you but the hate and lies are really concerning to me. Anything that takes 50 or more years to kill most of its users isn't so bad that we need to hate on them. People aren't stealing cars and jewelry to support their "habit". People shouldn't be so judgmental. See those smokers, they don't deserve healthcare. Next it is fat people and then we move on to people that work in factories, people that didn't finish high school, etc. etc.

It really stuns me when I read about third hand smoke and how babies are being put at risk through third hand smoke. Ridiculous. "Don't let grandpa hold the baby. He smokes and even though we make him go outside and we don't even let the baby see second hand smoke, there are dangerous toxins clinging to him that will hurt the baby."

I was confused by the third hand smoke statement that I have seen on the threads. I hadn't heard that one before. How utterly ridiculous! Lord the more I learn, the more I want to scream out of frustration!

My husband grew up in a family that never smoked. None of them.
I grew up in a family that all smoked. Mom even smoked while pregnant.
Hubby and all of his siblings have allergies of one kind or another.
Not one of my siblings, or I, have any allergies.

I know it's not scientific but just an observation. Another thing that confuses me, hubby got altitude sickness but the height never bothered me. I was still smoking at the time. We thought for sure it would be the opposite. I just attributed it to the fact my body was already used to not getting enough oxygen.

 

[tj99959]

Did you know that 67% of all statistics are made up on the spot?

Did you make that up on the spot?

Guess that the stats are trying to convince us that the portion of the population that smokes would never die if they just quit smoking.

 

[EddardinWinter]

<snip>

I know it's not scientific but just an observation. Another thing that confuses me, hubby got altitude sickness but the height never bothered me. I was still smoking at the time. We thought for sure it would be the opposite. I just attributed it to the fact my body was already used to not getting enough oxygen.

I actually believe that is absolutely true. The resistance to CO (not CO2) in smoke makes your body deal with oxygen deprivation better. Not at all worth the health risks, but of some benefit. Sort of like being able to see the aliens in that King story...

 

[Robino1]

Gosh, I never went to college but I do observe and can make uneducated guesses that are right sometimes
Thank you Edd!

 

[zoiDman]

Did you make that up on the spot?

...

No… He's a Statistic of the 33 Percentile.

 

[EddardinWinter]

I'll bet 5 quatloos on the 33 percentile!

 

[zoiDman]

... Sort of like being able to see the aliens in that King story...

The 12 O'clock People?

 

[EddardinWinter]

The 12 O'clock People?

The very ones. Nice!

I think they were actually "The Ten O'Clock People" for the time of the smoke break, though.

 

[zoiDman]

The very ones. Nice!

I think they were actually "The Ten O'Clock People" for the time of the smoke break, though.

7 out of 9 times I understand the reference.

But only 5 out of 8 times I can site it from Memory without having to resort to Google.

Which is effective 9 out of 10 times for finding what I’m looking for on the 1st search.

 

[EddardinWinter]

7 out of 9 times I understand the reference.

But only 5 out of 8 times I can site it from Memory without having to resort to Google.

Which is effective 9 out of 10 times for finding what I’m looking for on the 1st search.

I see half of those references half as much as I should like, and the other half, I like less than half as much as they deserve!

 

[zoiDman]

The very ones. Nice!

I think they were actually "The Ten O'Clock People" for the time of the smoke break, though.

BTW – The generally excepted Margin for Error on Obscure Literary References is +/- 2 Hours. So Statistically I got it Right.

Maybe not on Jeopardy though. That, and I didn’t phrase my answer in the form of a Question.

 

[zoiDman]

I see half as many of those references half as much as I should like, and the other half, I like less than half as much as they deserve!

1/8 Likes isn't all that Bad.

 

[EddardinWinter]

But this is far better than that. Half of them I see less than I should like. So I like them. The other half (which I under appreciate) I still like some of, so at least one in four. 5/8 like, by my reckoning!

 

[Ferrel1134]

I did not fellow the start of this post at all. Guess why. Not to be harsh I don't care. I'm lucky to still be alive. I love vaping. I would just like for the govt to leave me the heck alone along with the wonderful family I made on ecf. And all those vapers I have yet to meet.

 

[EddardinWinter]

Which rivals even Poe, who is "3/5ths genius, but 2/5ths sheer fudge".

 

[Renolizzie]

I did not fellow the start of this post at all. Guess why. Not to be harsh I don't care. I'm lucky to still be alive. I love vaping. I would just like for the govt to leave me the heck alone along with the wonderful family I made on ecf. And all those vapers I have yet to meet.

Isn't that sweet.

Good to be alive.