They can't imprison you, If they are banned!!!!

Status
Not open for further replies.

TheKingOfKool

Senior Member
ECF Veteran
Apr 15, 2009
259
0
Pennsylvania State
What people don't realize is that all statutes fall under admiralty courts. And in Admiralty law there has to be a contract compelling you to perform to those statutes. Most of us are sovereign and are not required to obey the statutes. They just assume we aren't until we state otherwise. If your ever arrested or fined for breaking any statute all you really need to do is challenge their jurisdiction. They don't have it!!!!!

when challenging jurisdiction ask if its a common law court or an admiralty court. if they answer admiralty court state that in order to have admiralty jurisdiction there has to be an international contract and that the prosecuting attorney produce the contract.

this can be done if asked if you understand the charges, say "No, I don't understand the charges, I need to know which jurisdiction this court is going by in order to know what rules of criminal procedure to use"

It can also be asked when they ask you how you plead. say "*I'm not sure how to plead because full discovery hasn't been made yet'


if they object to having the prosecuting attorney produce the contract or make excuses or whatever, say "Your Honor, you must realize that no courts in America have Admiralty jurisdiction without also having valid international contract in dispute. And I'm not aware of having entered any international contract. So I deny that any such contract exists. Now will you instruct the prosecuting attorney to inform this court that there is a valid international contract in dispute, if there is one; and to place this alleged international contract in evidence, if it exists; and explain how I can be a party to it, if I am; and how I am compelled to perform under it, if I am?"

if they produce a contract or explain the contract instead of dismissing the case right there say "according to the Law Merchant Codes, the very law that this contract was made under, there are certain things that constitute a valid vs an invalid contract. You must realize, that no court has the authority to enforce an invalid contract; and I deny the validity of the contract that Roosevelt entered into with the international bankers. He borrowed bank credit on the promise to redeem in gold coin. Creating credit out of thin air, the bankers had no risk and no interest, because they didn't loan anything of value, and thus had no interest in the loan being paid: it was a 'no interest 'contract, and thus void by the international law of Nations. Therefore America owes no legal debt."
"... And now since America only owes the debt by an invalid contract, how am I as an American Citizen, legally compelled to perform to an invalid contract under the Admiralty jurisdiction of this court?"
 

Sun Vaporer

Moved On
ECF Veteran
Jan 2, 2009
10,146
27
Florida
What people don't realize is that all statutes fall under admiralty courts. And in Admiralty law there has to be a contract compelling you to perform to those statutes. Most of us are sovereign and are not required to obey the statutes. They just assume we aren't until we state otherwise. If your ever arrested or fined for breaking any statute all you really need to do is challenge their jurisdiction. They don't have it!!!!!

No Comment------Sun
 

nibb

Full Member
May 14, 2009
66
0
First I dont know how legally a e-cig would be banned without banning at the same time analog cigarettes, coffe and tons of other things. There isnt anything ilegal on a e-cig or which can be even taken to consider would be harmfull or ilegal. Banning an e-cig would be actually ilegal. There isnt anything in the materials or in the use that can be considered ilegal at all.

Second if they actually do ban e-cigs they are sure going to come after you. I dont think even that will ever happen on the land of the brave and free but if we consider that how many pay income taxes?

Have one of you ever saw the federal income tax? No, because it doesnt exist but people still pay it. Actually the federal income tax goes against the same principles that made Americans want to be FREE and its why they indepence from England happened in the first day but some years later people pay a similar tax on their incomes which by some people are completely ilegal.

The Federal Income Tax Law Does Not Exist

But hey goverment is goverment and they will come after you no matter what if you break the law. That should someone consider how much is it a goverment from the people for the people, or better a goverment for business corporations to profit from their people.
 
Last edited:

brandeeashlynn

Super Member
ECF Veteran
Jan 29, 2009
491
44
49
I dont think they will be banned. But if they hypothectically were then yes they could arrest you. It would be illegal to purchase them after a ban unless you had a script for them if there was some loophole or something. Other than that I can not think of a reason they could not give a fine at the very least. You would be in possesion of an illegal substance. Once something is banned it is banned no matter what you or I might think.:-x
 

yvilla

Ultra Member
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Nov 18, 2008
2,063
575
Rochester, NY
I dont think they will be banned. But if they hypothectically were then yes they could arrest you. It would be illegal to purchase them after a ban unless you had a script for them if there was some loophole or something. Other than that I can not think of a reason they could not give a fine at the very least. You would be in possesion of an illegal substance. Once something is banned it is banned no matter what you or I might think.:-x

No, that's not correct. The only "bans" being contemplated are as to marketing and selling. They don't reach to purchase or use or possession. And so no, they wouldn't involve any question of arrest of consumers.
 

Cancer

Super Member
ECF Veteran
Apr 15, 2009
636
0
50
New Jersey
After any legislation or ban Anybody who thinks having a vaporizer or nicotine would be grounds for arrest is PARANOID:shock: Seriously folks, the only things that can be controlled or banned would be import of juices or atomizers,batteries, sale of nicotine juices(possibly), any product thats marketed as a NICOTINE VAPORIZER. Currently the only thing at issue with e-cigs is the nicotine and marketing of the devices as a safe or effective smoking cessation product. Your use of a vaporizer would never be criminalized,but it could be legislated only to vaporize in smoking approved areas. So really the biggest thing that would suck is, you will end up right back where you started"OUTSIDE IN THE COLD AND RAIN"
 

Safira

Super Member
ECF Veteran
Apr 14, 2009
727
191
57
Plainfield,IL
No, that's not correct. The only "bans" being contemplated are as to marketing and selling. They don't reach to purchase or use or possession. And so no, they wouldn't involve any question of arrest of consumers.


As far as I understand I have to agree with yvilla. Stevia was banned for years as a sugar substitute, but I never heard of anyone getting arrested for growing a stevia plant. I could very well be wrong, but a ban and a law making something illegal to grow or posses are 2 different things. I cannot see how they could make possession of nicotine illegal. Will they then arrest me for growing my tomato plants? They will not take away my PV & my homemade sauce that's for sure. They will have to kill me before I eat Prego.
 

SS109

Senior Member
ECF Veteran
May 26, 2009
105
0
Marana, AZ - USA
I don't know about that.
Ever been to a toy store in Hong Kong? They sell plastic pellet shooting, spring-operated guns that are indistinguishable from the real things. Anything from a 9mm Beretta to a minigun.
What would happen if you bought a few of them and were caught with them in America?
What would happen? Absolutely nothing. They are perfectly legal to own here in the U.S. You can buy them in stores and online from many U.S. retailers.
 

RandallFlagg

Super Member
ECF Veteran
May 14, 2009
587
29
Denver, Co, USA
What would happen? Absolutely nothing. They are perfectly legal to own here in the U.S. You can buy them in stores and online from many U.S. retailers.

Oh, you can, but only certain places have them, and they all have the little red tips.

These toys in Hong Kong are indistinguishable from the real weapons. The only way to tell the difference is the weight, and when fired.
 

SS109

Senior Member
ECF Veteran
May 26, 2009
105
0
Marana, AZ - USA
Oh, you can, but only certain places have them, and they all have the little red tips.

These toys in Hong Kong are indistinguishable from the real weapons. The only way to tell the difference is the weight, and when fired.
True, the cheap ones do have the red/orange tip here in America but they are easily removed and most people do remove them. The higher quality models do not have the colored tip and some weigh exactly the same as the real deal.

Sorry, I'm huge in to firearms and the shooting sports. These "toys" are used by some LEO's as training aids for live force-on-force training. RAM markers or Simunition equipped weapons are even better.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Users who are viewing this thread