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You actually seem fairly ignorant to anybody else's opinions, and feel that your side of the story is the correct one.
You said in another post that your eGo battery lasts you 10 hours, which means you clearly don't vape that much. You also said that you just charge a battery while you're vaping on another battery, which means you're always sitting by a DC outlet or a USB port. Not everybody falls into that category (in fact, most don't).
Judging by those two things, your opinion on battery mods is fairly worthless, because you have absolutely no reason to use a battery mod, unless you wanted to vape at 6/5v, which you don't.
Sorry to go off on you like this, but I hate when people act all-knowing about things because they have a different situation. That's like me bashing fast cars because I sit in traffic and don't go over 10 mph on the way to work.
Anyway, Chucks are awesome, even if only for the customization factor. I like that people look at my Chuck and think it's cool that it's Penn State, rather than looking at my PV and saying, "Oh, yeah. I saw those at the mall!".
Also, I'm thinking about changing my signature to, "I'm Christian, but I don't really go to church that often", just so everybody knows. That seems pretty appropriate for an electronic cigarette forum, right?
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I'm not even sure how to respond to that first one. You're saying that "not everybody, in fact not MOST people fall into the category of "sitting by a DC outlet or USB port" ?
Pretty sure you meant AC?
People that have a home have an AC outlet. People that have an apartment have an AC outlet. People that own a laptop or computer have a USB port, people that work in most offices ar around an AC outlet. Most people that drive for a living all day have a cigarette lighter port in their car, (for which they make USB charger adapters and have for years for ipods and the like).
A bit confused here about why you think that "most people" over a 10 hour window don't have access to an outlet, car cig lighter, or usb port.
You DO understand that it takes about 2 hours to charge the1000mah battery and you don't have to physically stay next to it while it's charging, right? You can plug it in, leave, and come back 1, 2, 3, 4, 5... or 10 hours later and unplug it? (Though I believe it's better to not leave them plugged in after being fully charged if you can avoid it).
So your point is that you don't believe that most people have access to a usb port or AC outlet for a total of 1-2 minutes (to plug then later unplug the 2nd battery) over a 10 hour window?
As for the latter comment /shrug. Feel free, though it's rather prosaic
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6 volt vaping is pretty amazing! As long as I can keep from popping Atty's anyway! 
I used a regular atty for a while and it was fine. Killed a high volt atty in 24 hours...go figure! So unless you've tried 6V don't knock it!
I used a regular atty for a while and it was fine. Killed a high volt atty in 24 hours...go figure! So unless you've tried 6V don't knock it!I was going to quote and break down your comments, but that seems like a lot of work.
Anyway, you missed the part about eGo batteries not lasting 10 hours for the majority. Also, you completely missed the overall point of my post, and chose to elaborate on the fact that I said people are not always by an outlet or port, which was pretty much the least important thing I said.
My point was, and still is, that you fall into a category that allows you to change your batteries a couple times per day. You also have no interest in HV vaping. Even after taking these two factors into consideration, you still feel the need to act as if your opinion on battery mods is the final word.
Not everybody wants to carry extra batteries around with them. Not everybody wants to have a charger at work and at home. Not everybody wants to be inconvenienced with voltage drop-off or changing batteries during the day. Not everybody wants to vape below 3.7V. Just because you do does not mean your opinion is the only one that matters.
Just pisses me off when people feel the need to put down a product (or a whole market of products) because they don't feel the need to use said product.
Anyway, you missed the part about eGo batteries not lasting 10 hours for the majority. Also, you completely missed the overall point of my post, and chose to elaborate on the fact that I said people are not always by an outlet or port, which was pretty much the least important thing I said.
My point was, and still is, that you fall into a category that allows you to change your batteries a couple times per day. You also have no interest in HV vaping. Even after taking these two factors into consideration, you still feel the need to act as if your opinion on battery mods is the final word.
Not everybody wants to carry extra batteries around with them. Not everybody wants to have a charger at work and at home. Not everybody wants to be inconvenienced with voltage drop-off or changing batteries during the day. Not everybody wants to vape below 3.7V. Just because you do does not mean your opinion is the only one that matters.
Just pisses me off when people feel the need to put down a product (or a whole market of products) because they don't feel the need to use said product.
I agree even with two 14500 batts in my box mod I have to change batterys every day and deal with vapor drop off after a while. I want to try an 18650 mod pretty badly. Seems to be perfect. I can't go back to 3.1v, I just took a hit off of my joye passthrough and it just isn't the same.
I just need to decide between the Chuck, Silver Bullet, and the Phidias Woodimus (which is a bit expensive).
I just need to decide between the Chuck, Silver Bullet, and the Phidias Woodimus (which is a bit expensive).
IMveryHO, an 18650 hits harder than a smaller battery at the same voltage. The MAH shouldn't make any discernible difference in performance, only duration.
Does anyone share this opinion or am I deluded?
Does anyone share this opinion or am I deluded?
This is a wrong idea cainne. I have almost every model of e-cigs than you can think of. I have found the use for almost all of them. I also have 2 mods (the tornego is not a mod IMO). One can only do 3,7 volts and they are a screwdriver (make that 2 coz Trog was doing a sale) and a GGTS (these rolls-royce of mods can do all voltages). The third one has been shipped to me (i hope) and it's a Buzz Varivolt. Now you think mods are for showing off, but i really use them at home or on vacation : it is nice to have a 18560 or two and really not care if the battery dies on me while at the beach. Now...if it was not for the modders spirit you wouldn't be talking about your 1000 mAh eGo. Or are you showing off that big 1000 mHa battery too?
Mods adjust to ones needs. You don't need to send them (most of them anyway) to a supplier coz your battery died. And they come in all sizes and shapes and prices. It is the mods that are pushing the industry and not the other way around...
So i think your comment is a bit hard on people who make the mods and the ones who use them. Oh...and a dream mod would be just like 84 mm with half it's size packed with juice and a dream battery that lasts a week. Its not size...it's performance that matters...yes i'm talking about vaping.
I vape a lot. I had 2 510 batteries plus one mega before I got my Chuck and I would drain each at least twice a day. Then I'd have to swap them out, put the old one in the charger and attach the new one to my atomizer. I found it so annoying that I also bought the Screwdriver 2fer while waiting for my Chuck (and they are curled up in my cupboard in case of emergency. They work fine.)
However, according to you that is the best solution for you and, therefore, it is the best solution for everyone. Sorry, that's just not the case.
Rather than sermonizing and insisting that one size fits all as long as it's your size, you would provide much more help to people trying to find the right hardware for them if you explained why you rejected one configuration and what was it about another that was perfect for your lifestyle.
For example, for a while everyone was raving about PCCs. If you are out partying every night, they are no doubt wonderful. But, if you are tethered to a desk, a passthru and a USB charger would make more sense for you.
Fortunately, between the 510 and the eGo, Geoff can now fill many people's emergency vaping needs and a fair amount beyond that.
However, according to you that is the best solution for you and, therefore, it is the best solution for everyone. Sorry, that's just not the case.
Rather than sermonizing and insisting that one size fits all as long as it's your size, you would provide much more help to people trying to find the right hardware for them if you explained why you rejected one configuration and what was it about another that was perfect for your lifestyle.
For example, for a while everyone was raving about PCCs. If you are out partying every night, they are no doubt wonderful. But, if you are tethered to a desk, a passthru and a USB charger would make more sense for you.
Fortunately, between the 510 and the eGo, Geoff can now fill many people's emergency vaping needs and a fair amount beyond that.
You're failing to take into account 2 things, the majority of the populace beyond this board, and perception.
As a friend said "Yeah, I guess those are nice but most people don't want to be engineers, they want to smoke." The vast majority of people I've talked to at my office (300+ person office) think and EGO battery is too big. They want small and discreet and yes, "cool" looking which the chuck has with customization but that's also work. Most don't want to email, deal with boards, sites, finding a graphic, etc. They want to walk into a store, buy something that works for them, and walk out.
Mods aren't pushing the market. There WILL always, like in any other hobby, be a niche of people that support them and love them, but they will never be the majority % of a large market's sales.
I'm not saying there's no place for mods. If you read what I wrote it was that I think people should FIRST examine their needs THEN find the appropriate model/mod/product that fits those needs. Not go for a product for other reasons then justify why it's better for them or assume.
Also: Shenannigan's on "You can taste the difference in the same voltage delivered by differing types of batteries."
There's a reason double blinds are used in medical studies; more appropriate to this subject there's a reason blindfolds or blank labels are used in taste tests. Your assumptions affect your perception. "Perception Bias" is well documented in psychology experiments. If somebody loves X beer and has tried many others I can probably give him Y beer and X beer with the labels switched and say "Come on does that X beer you just tried REALLY taste that much better?" and he'll say yes even though he really just drank Y. Hell I've given somebody tastyfinger with the label covered to smell and they've said it smells like blueberry, (something I had them smell earlier), then when I showed them the label they said "Let me try it again? Oh yah, yah it does smell like butterfinger".
Difference between 3.1 and 6? Yeah, probably detectable. Difference between 3.1 and 3.7? You're very likely fooling yourself if you think you'd tell the difference blinded anymore than 10 out of 20 tries. Now difference between 3.7v on X batt and 3.7v on Y batt? Bull.
If you think you can taste the subtle difference of an identical voltage on 2 different batteries because ones say lithium and the resistance increases slightly more or less as the atty heats up but the lithium provides a more consistent flow you're fooling yourself. It's ok, we're human, we all do it daily, but at least understand what's happening.
Final post. I won't respond further on this thread. Anything else from me would be repetition but feel free to PM me if anyone so desires.
As a friend said "Yeah, I guess those are nice but most people don't want to be engineers, they want to smoke." The vast majority of people I've talked to at my office (300+ person office) think and EGO battery is too big. They want small and discreet and yes, "cool" looking which the chuck has with customization but that's also work. Most don't want to email, deal with boards, sites, finding a graphic, etc. They want to walk into a store, buy something that works for them, and walk out.
Mods aren't pushing the market. There WILL always, like in any other hobby, be a niche of people that support them and love them, but they will never be the majority % of a large market's sales.
I'm not saying there's no place for mods. If you read what I wrote it was that I think people should FIRST examine their needs THEN find the appropriate model/mod/product that fits those needs. Not go for a product for other reasons then justify why it's better for them or assume.
Also: Shenannigan's on "You can taste the difference in the same voltage delivered by differing types of batteries."
There's a reason double blinds are used in medical studies; more appropriate to this subject there's a reason blindfolds or blank labels are used in taste tests. Your assumptions affect your perception. "Perception Bias" is well documented in psychology experiments. If somebody loves X beer and has tried many others I can probably give him Y beer and X beer with the labels switched and say "Come on does that X beer you just tried REALLY taste that much better?" and he'll say yes even though he really just drank Y. Hell I've given somebody tastyfinger with the label covered to smell and they've said it smells like blueberry, (something I had them smell earlier), then when I showed them the label they said "Let me try it again? Oh yah, yah it does smell like butterfinger".
Difference between 3.1 and 6? Yeah, probably detectable. Difference between 3.1 and 3.7? You're very likely fooling yourself if you think you'd tell the difference blinded anymore than 10 out of 20 tries. Now difference between 3.7v on X batt and 3.7v on Y batt? Bull.
If you think you can taste the subtle difference of an identical voltage on 2 different batteries because ones say lithium and the resistance increases slightly more or less as the atty heats up but the lithium provides a more consistent flow you're fooling yourself. It's ok, we're human, we all do it daily, but at least understand what's happening.
Final post. I won't respond further on this thread. Anything else from me would be repetition but feel free to PM me if anyone so desires.
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Suffice it to say that many of us have different opinions. Thats a good thing. Otherwise everyone would be just as messed up as I am and I would have no one to argue with but myself.
My 2 cents is that when I first got into vaping, I wanted something small. I wanted it to taste like a cigarette. About two weeks later, I grew out of that. I realized that what I initially thought I wanted wasn't it at all. I wanted a long lasting battery that I didn't have to flock around with all the time. The Blu/Volcano was cool at first. Very cool. Then I realized that I wanted something rock solid reliable that I didn't have to worry about whether it MIGHT work. I eventually ended up with a chuck. Of course I spent about $600 to get from Blu to Chuck; from Johnson Reek to Tasty Vapor and from 510's to KR808 Premium cartos, but I finally found what works for me. I now have a satisfying balance of performance and economics. It cost me to get there.
Let sleeping dogs lie.
My 2 cents is that when I first got into vaping, I wanted something small. I wanted it to taste like a cigarette. About two weeks later, I grew out of that. I realized that what I initially thought I wanted wasn't it at all. I wanted a long lasting battery that I didn't have to flock around with all the time. The Blu/Volcano was cool at first. Very cool. Then I realized that I wanted something rock solid reliable that I didn't have to worry about whether it MIGHT work. I eventually ended up with a chuck. Of course I spent about $600 to get from Blu to Chuck; from Johnson Reek to Tasty Vapor and from 510's to KR808 Premium cartos, but I finally found what works for me. I now have a satisfying balance of performance and economics. It cost me to get there.
Let sleeping dogs lie.
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Are all these people vapers or are you polling 300+ people on what they would like an e-cigarette to look like if they were smokers and if they were switching from smoking to vaping?
Uhhhhh....Final post..uhhhh... You sir are dead wrong on all counts. Smokers want tiny 84 mm crappy e-cigs coz it's not their fault they don't know better. We all wanted a cigarette like e-cig...
Also wrong about mods pushing the market...my words were mods pushing the industry. Now..English is not my native language but i think there's a major difference. Almost no one drives a racing car, but racing cars bring the car industry forward.
Also wrong about the same battery voltage performing equal with different devices. You sir are wrong. And you are also wrong in the 3,1 or 3,7 volt being the same...i can actually tell when any of my mods start dropping voltage.
I guess too many wrongs will make you right about not posting anymore.
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Man I ain't even reading these posts. Blah blah. I have an eGo I have a Chuck. I put the eGo in my pocket at work for convenience, I use the Chuck at all other times. I get more of a hit off the Chuck, I use it at 3.7v, I'm not much for 6v. I pull a battery off the charger in the morning, I put the other battery on the charger. I vape all day, I put the battery on the charger the next morning and take the other off. Can't get any more convenient than that....
It hits better than an eGo, but the eGo is nice to have when you want to hide your ecig (I work with kids)
Get the Chuck, you won't be disappointed.
It hits better than an eGo, but the eGo is nice to have when you want to hide your ecig (I work with kids)
Get the Chuck, you won't be disappointed.
Then you are best off with cartos if you don't want to be an "engineer" I had way more headaches with my batts and pcc than with my box mod. Most people spend more time fooling with carts than I have evr played with any of my e-cigs. I don't see any vapor, maybe I need to change batterys. How hard is that?
E-cigs are a niche market. You can't make any judgments as to what is pushing the market or not. Nothing in the e-cig world is a "large market".
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