Here's some more ammo in the e-cig fight -- 'Thirdhand Smoke' May Pose Health Risk : Discovery News
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I live in a downstairs condo with a patio. Above that patio is my neighbor's balcony. My mother came over the other day and had ONE.. yes ONE cigarette on my patio. The NEXT DAY (almost 24 HOURS later!!) the neighbor crone comes out on the balcony and starts harping that her blanket she had hanging out smells like THIRD hand smoke. I almost lost it. First time I had heard the term. Some people will NEVER be happy.
So does this "thirdhand smoke" only apply to things that have been cigarette-smoked around or is everyone supposed to hold their breath when a waiter/waitress approaches your table in case they are grilling steaks in the kitchen? What about fireworks at July 4th celebrations? Is roasting smores by the fire grounds for DCS taking your children? People are getting more ridiculous every day. In my opinion, it's best not to worry about every single thing that can hurt you because it will either cause you do die early due to high blood pressure from the constant worrying or you will live to be a 105 year old hypercondriac.
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Despite claims in several news headlines, there is no scientific evidence that so-called thirdhand smoke (which is stinky tobacco smoke residue in cars, bars and other locations where lots of cigarettes had been smoked in the past) poses health risks.
And in fact, the only reason several anti smoking extremists coined the term "thirdhand smoke" was to generate sensationalized news headlines and articles alleging that it was hazardous.
While tobacco smoke residue doesn't smell pleasant, it doesn't cause any diseases.
I advise restaurant and bar owners and others (when they implement a smokefree policy) to replace their drapes/carpets, paint their walls/ceilings, clean their windows/furniture, etc. and hire someone to clean their ventilation ducts.
But its virtually impossible to get rid of the stink inside a car after thousands of cigarettes have been smoked in it, which is why the price of used cars is far lower if
they smell like smoke.
And in fact, the only reason several anti smoking extremists coined the term "thirdhand smoke" was to generate sensationalized news headlines and articles alleging that it was hazardous.
While tobacco smoke residue doesn't smell pleasant, it doesn't cause any diseases.
I advise restaurant and bar owners and others (when they implement a smokefree policy) to replace their drapes/carpets, paint their walls/ceilings, clean their windows/furniture, etc. and hire someone to clean their ventilation ducts.
But its virtually impossible to get rid of the stink inside a car after thousands of cigarettes have been smoked in it, which is why the price of used cars is far lower if
they smell like smoke.
What you ex-smokers don't understand is, to a person that has never smoked, second-hand/third-hand smoke has a very strong (and often, unpleasant) odor to it. So to you, that may be a perfectly smell-free blanket. But to us, wow, it stinks up the entire house! (Holds nose)
Just some food for thought. We aren't being fussy or ridiculous, we simply have noses like tracker dogs compared to yours.
So yeah, she had every right to complain about that 3rd-hand-smoke smell. You owe her some quarters for the laundry
Yeah I agree. I'm strongly against second-hand smoke, but think that the 3rd-hand smoke "dangers" thing is a bit ridiculous....
and if you live in the country and take a drive to the city (even if you are a smoker) it smells to high heavens of car exhaust... go into a greasy spoon even if it has be closed for a while and it will smell of grease... I don't think smell residue is all that dangerous, lots of things leave residue smells not just smoking. And I bet people have never done studies to prove how dangerous those residue smells are.
I guess you didn't bother reading those links that were posted for you in that other thread you started????
Eh, I still have disagreements all the time about the effects of second-hand smoke. I mean, I still have yet to see studies demonstrating second-hand smoke is the DIRECT CAUSE of cancer.
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I read the links. I was going to reply to them, but then it was too late, the thread was already closed.
Just some food for thought. We aren't being fussy or ridiculous, we simply have noses like tracker dogs compared to yours.
So yeah, she had every right to complain about that 3rd-hand-smoke smell. You owe her some quarters for the laundry[/QUOTE]
Well, it used to be that I would let guests smoke in my garage during the winter months. However, even with the garage door open, the smoke would still get into their condo (or so they told me). SO, I moved them to outside of my front door, then the smoke would waft too close to their front door, hence allowing the smoke to enter their home when they opened their door. SOOOO, I then moved everyone out on the patio.(I am talking about, at most, 3 people at a time... OUTSIDE
Oh! I can smell residual smoke! My sense of smell is very acute and I can understand where YOU are coming from. However, I am talking about an OUTSIDE environment and a DAY later. If the smell of smoke bothers someone to THAT degree, then they probably should NOT place items OUTSIDE, 20 ft away from where MY guests may be smoking. Funny how none of that smoke permeates into my condo when the patio door is being opened and closed.
I have bent over backwards to accommodate these people, so personally, at this point, I really do not care how my guests third hand smoke affects them. Just as they dont seem to care how dog crap all over our common lawn affects me.
According to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), pet droppings can contribute to diseases animals pass to humans, called zoonoses. When infected dog poop is deposited on your lawn, the eggs of certain roundworms and other parasites can linger in your soil for years. Anyone who comes into contact with that soil—be it through gardening, playing sports, walking barefoot or any other means—runs the risk of coming into contact with those eggs; especially your dog.
Some of the hard-to-pronounce parasites your lawn could harbor include Cryptosporidium, Giardia, Salmonella, as well as hookworms, ringworms and tapeworms. Infections from these bugs often cause fever, muscle aches, headache, vomiting, and ........ in humans. Children are most susceptible, since they often play in the dirt and put things in their mouths or eyes.
Rant over.
So yeah, she had every right to complain about that 3rd-hand-smoke smell. You owe her some quarters for the laundry
[/QUOTE]Well, it used to be that I would let guests smoke in my garage during the winter months. However, even with the garage door open, the smoke would still get into their condo (or so they told me). SO, I moved them to outside of my front door, then the smoke would waft too close to their front door, hence allowing the smoke to enter their home when they opened their door. SOOOO, I then moved everyone out on the patio.(I am talking about, at most, 3 people at a time... OUTSIDE
Oh! I can smell residual smoke! My sense of smell is very acute and I can understand where YOU are coming from. However, I am talking about an OUTSIDE environment and a DAY later. If the smell of smoke bothers someone to THAT degree, then they probably should NOT place items OUTSIDE, 20 ft away from where MY guests may be smoking. Funny how none of that smoke permeates into my condo when the patio door is being opened and closed.
I have bent over backwards to accommodate these people, so personally, at this point, I really do not care how my guests third hand smoke affects them. Just as they dont seem to care how dog crap all over our common lawn affects me.
According to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), pet droppings can contribute to diseases animals pass to humans, called zoonoses. When infected dog poop is deposited on your lawn, the eggs of certain roundworms and other parasites can linger in your soil for years. Anyone who comes into contact with that soil—be it through gardening, playing sports, walking barefoot or any other means—runs the risk of coming into contact with those eggs; especially your dog.
Some of the hard-to-pronounce parasites your lawn could harbor include Cryptosporidium, Giardia, Salmonella, as well as hookworms, ringworms and tapeworms. Infections from these bugs often cause fever, muscle aches, headache, vomiting, and ........ in humans. Children are most susceptible, since they often play in the dirt and put things in their mouths or eyes.
Rant over.
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Actually its funny that you mentioned that. The neighbors here never pick up after their dogs, there's always poop on the grass. I figured that if I didn't step on it, well...I didn't really know it was such a big deal. Anyway, one time I got severely sick and no one could figure out why. Non-stop vomiting/........, and muscle pain. Maybe it was because I always walk through the grass!!!
Exactly, there are no such studies because all the second-hand smoke studies were done with an inflated alpha level to make them look significant. They were only published because they fit a political agenda, not because they were good science. Of course they can't even show a direct cause with first hand smoking because it would not be ethical to run the type of study needed to show a cause/effect relationship. However, it's pretty clear that smoking can be dangerous to the user, and if you had to live in an unventilated room for 30 years with a heavy smoker then second hand smoke would probably be a factor in your health. As others have noted, most people get more bad chemicals from car fumes they are exposed to daily than the little bit of smoke they might have to smell from smokers outside. Lord save us from the do-gooders.
I completely agree with you Dave! As we all know, correlation does NOT equal causation. My father has smoked 4 1/2 packs a day for the last 51 years, no cancer. My mother smoked 2 packs a day for 35 years, no cancer. I lived under their roof for 18 years and have no ill effects at all, and we DO smoke in the house. EDIT: In fact, now that I think about it, I never get sick. I had the flu twice, strep once, chicken pox one, other then that, I've never been sick. Go figure...
So much political bull.... is the reason for smokers getting .... all over.
So much political bull.... is the reason for smokers getting .... all over.
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What you ex-smokers don't understand is, to a person that has never smoked, second-hand/third-hand smoke has a very strong (and often, unpleasant) odor to it. So to you, that may be a perfectly smell-free blanket. But to us, wow, it stinks up the entire house! (Holds nose)
Just some food for thought. We aren't being fussy or ridiculous, we simply have noses like tracker dogs compared to yours.
So yeah, she had every right to complain about that 3rd-hand-smoke smell. You owe her some quarters for the laundry
I've been cigarette-free for almost three months now. One of the first benefits I noticed (within a week of dropping tobacco) was a marked increase in my ability to smell cigarette smoke. It nearly bowled me over when I SMELLED a smoker before I heard them come up behind me. I can smell those Smoker's Stations outside stores just walking past them.
As a result I've become a lot more aware of how my smoke probably affected others. It's not as though we're all scent-dumb and don't realize that smoke can cling.
But one cigarette contaminating a blanket that's been hanging in the fresh air for 24 hours after one initial, distant exposure? Give me a break. I call the BS flag on that one. It reminds me of other stories I've heard on the forum. The one where a guy demonstrates his PV and someone across the room starts hacking as though he can't breathe. The person in the office who says "second-hand vapor" is bothering him.
It's a complaint syndrome that us smokers are all too familiar with. No amount of Ozium, clothes-washing, distance, etc will satisfy these complaints because they aren't complaints about SMELL, they are complaints about the ACT OF SMOKING ITSELF.
I firmly believe that petty gripes like these tend to make smokers even more entrenched in what they're doing. It cheapens the LEGITIMATE complaints about secondhand smoke. It makes non-smokers seem like a bunch of whiny children, smoke nazis, and the like. It drives a wedge between smokers and non-smokers, where there doesn't need to be one.
Heaven forbid they should live down the street from a brewery, like my guy did as a child. Or across the river from a plastics manufacturing facility, like I used to. Good luck getting THEM to give you laundry quarters.
Or in a town with a Pulp Paper Mill at one end and a Menhaden (fish) processing plant at the other, like I did, LOL!
Brad Rodu did an article about third hand smoke
Tobacco Truth: Thirdhand Smoke Cancer Hysteria
There is no health risk with third hand smoke, obviously, but try telling that to some of the tobacco control fanatics. The problem at this point is that we can no longer believe anything tobacco control groups are saying. This includes the ACS, ALA, AHA. I'm having lots of doubts about the dangers of 2nd hand smoke because of the exaggerations put out by tobacco control. They are lying about the dangers or smokeless tobacco. They have lost all credibility. It is very difficult to find reliable science and reporting on anything related to tobacco.
They have gone the route of demonizing anyone who uses tobacco.
Tobacco Truth: Thirdhand Smoke Cancer Hysteria
There is no health risk with third hand smoke, obviously, but try telling that to some of the tobacco control fanatics. The problem at this point is that we can no longer believe anything tobacco control groups are saying. This includes the ACS, ALA, AHA. I'm having lots of doubts about the dangers of 2nd hand smoke because of the exaggerations put out by tobacco control. They are lying about the dangers or smokeless tobacco. They have lost all credibility. It is very difficult to find reliable science and reporting on anything related to tobacco.
They have gone the route of demonizing anyone who uses tobacco.
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