This is crazy!

[beckdg]

Yeah "Vapeworld" might get attention, but fasttech for example sells a ton of vape gear....

But they sell alot more phone charges and small electronics than they do ecigs.

It would be an impossible task to sort through all the fasttech packages alone looking for specific gear.

Id guess they will do as usual and go for the low hanging fruit.
Creative shipping labels should help

Fasttech is a low hanging fruit. A VERY low hanging fruit. They're not shipping packages to the US. They're shipping entire containers.

Very simple job for customs...

Stamp the container.
Stamp the paperwork.
Bill the company for return shipping and a complete inspection.
Hold the container unopened and on site until the company pays the charges plus storage fees.

I deal with these fairly often.

Tapatyped

 

[Bad Ninja]

Fasttech is a low hanging fruit. A VERY low hanging fruit. They're not shipping packages to the US. They're shipping entire containers.

Very simple job for customs...

Stamp the container.
Stamp the paperwork.
Bill the company for return shipping and a complete inspection.
Hold the container unopened and on site until the company pays the charges plus storage fees.

I deal with these fairly often.

Tapatyped

Wont happen.

4 out of five of those large containers from Fasttech dont have any vape gear inside.

About 20% of FT packages contain e cig gear.

The rest contain cheap electronics.
FT is a huge wholesale source for cheap phone chargers and cases.

Its not realistic to think Customs would even try to search every package, and they wont just send them all back.

 

[Capt.shay]

Might be nice to know our e-liquid is being created in sanitized laboratories rather than someone's moldy basement. Right?

Why are you buying in moldy basements? Know where the things you put in your body come from.

Ahlusion E-Liquids has a clean room environment already. And that was before regulations.

A "Clean Room" is entirely unnecessary. A clean room is all that is necessary as nothing wants to grow in pg/vg and it just needs to be a clean environment not a "Clean Room". Do you cook the food that you eat in a "Clean Room" or just a clean room you call a kitchen

Have it regulated as e-juice. I don't care what it's called. Just have it regulated. The FDA also regulates food.

Yea, if you look at what the FDA allows to be called "food" you would be appaled. These deeming regs will not make you any safer. But it really wont matter because you will not have a device to vape them on. WAKE UP

I'm not a qualified lab technician.

It is harder to make a Long Island Ice Tea than it is to make juice. I don't think you have any idea what so ever how juice is made but for some reason you think you need a lab tech. to do this? Is your bartender a lab tech. ? Is the cook at your diner a lab tech. Get real.

YOU ARE THE PROBLEM. You got what you hoped for, now wallow in it.

 

[beckdg]

Wont happen.

4 out of five of those large containers from Fasttech dont have any vape gear inside.

About 20% of FT packages contain e cig gear.

The rest contain cheap electronics.
FT is a huge wholesale source for cheap phone chargers and cases.

Its not realistic to think Customs would even try to search every package, and they wont just send them all back.

Customs almost never searches every package from anywhere.

I've dealt with them in probably at least a dozen states.

I've seen their operations.

Just delivered to customs in Miami this week.

I'm speaking from experience.

I've pulled probably 200 unopened containers back to the ports just last year for just this reason. Mostly Seagirt and Dundalk in Baltimore and NJ port in Newark.

This IS how it works. They recognize repeat offenders and simply refuse them. Period.

Tapatyped

 

[Bad Ninja]

Customs almost never searches every package from anywhere.

I've dealt with them in probably at least a dozen states.

I've seen their operations.

Just delivered to customs in Miami this week.

I'm speaking from experience.

I've pulled probably 200 unopened containers back to the ports just last year for just this reason. Mostly Dundalk in Baltimore and NJ port in Newark.

This IS how it works. They recognize repeat offenders and simply refuse them. Period.

Tapatyped

I have experience with customs too.

How many packages have you recieved from say..Fasttech?
How much duty tax did you pay? Any fees? You think customs even looked?

See where Im going with this?

If you think customs will stop vape gear from being imported you have alot more faith in them doing their jobs than my exlerience dictates.

 

[beckdg]

I have experience with customs too.

How many packages have you recieved from say..Fasttech?
How much duty tax did you pay? Any fees? You think customs even looked?

See where Im going with this?

If you think customs will stop vape gear from being imported you have alot more faith in them doing their jobs than my exlerience dictates.

I think it'll take months, even years.

But I think once Fasttech is red flagged, it'll be a 50/50 ish gamble.

They're lazy. And their system is ineffective. But when they got you, they got you.

Tapatyped

 

[Sil3nt]

"Crazy is building the arc after the flood has come!"

Not prepared at all for this lol

 

[Munk]

I'm curious about something, and admit I have not read the 499 page regulation, but perhaps someone here knows about this. It seems like c-cigs in the type found in convenience stores such as the disposables will certainly fall within the jurisdiction of these regs. However, vaping products such as tank/mod setups are essentially dual use. You can use them with a tobacco containing juice or juice with 0 mg of nicotine. If a product is used without nicotine, how can it fall under the FDA reg? So outside of the prefilled cartridge type, disposable or even rechargeable, where does the FDA have standing to control mod vapes?

In addition, if ejuice is regulated, what is to stop a supplier from simply selling you a 0 mg nicotine product, with their specialty flavor, for non-tobacco vaping? And if that does not fall within these regs, what's to stop you from mixing in whatever amount of nicotine you desire for your personal use?

I actually do not have a problem with creating a national minimum age for e-cigs, just as it exists for regular cigarettes today. But I do wonder how they can apply a regulation to a vaping system which can be used without any nicotine in it. This is an issue I'm certain will have to be determined in court if the FDA decides to go after vaping hardware that is sold without any nicotine in it.

For the same reason you can't buy pipes, bongs, etc without being 18 or older, even if you have no intention of using them to smoke controlled substances.

There will be ways around this law, but it will severly limit choice and availability. You'll still be able to get flavor extracts, as well as VG and PG as those by themselves are not necessarily vaping products (they will be marketed as something else). You'll still be able to get wire for coils, external batteries, and chargers for the same reason.

It's the tanks, mods, and raw nicotine solution that you'll have to worry about, and will likely have to get from over seas. Will there be a risk of being siezed in customs? Yes, but people will do it anyway. I have done this a couple times in the past for certain things without issue. But this will only represent a tiny fraction of the people who vape today.

And that's all "they" want, is to make the market that costs them money small enough to not damage their bottom line to any appreciable degree.

 

[Bad Ninja]

I think it'll take months, even years.

But I think once Fasttech is red flagged, it'll be a 50/50 ish gamble.

They're lazy. And their system is ineffective. But when they got you, they got you.

Tapatyped

Customs has never been that efficient.
Not even close.

I mean "3fVape" may need to reword their mailing labels...lol
But customs will never even put a dent in shipments.

Besides that, all mechs are now flashlight bodies.

All my e cigs are now "herbal vaporisers" and are exempt from the FDAs regs.

Two can play at the name game.

 

[bfisher]

Smells like unicorn tears in here.

 

[Capt.shay]

Smells like unicorn tears in here.

You type continuing to prove your ignorance and stupidity.

 

[Munk]

Smells like unicorn tears in here.

A crass comment when you consider how many real lives are at stake. How many will turn back to smoking if vaping becomes prohibitively costly or difficult to switch to?

That's the reality. The only unicorn thing about this thread are those that think this is what's best for the people. Try losing a loved one to smoking and see if that comment is still funny to you, like I have.

There will be plenty of real tears.

 

[Capt.shay]

A crass comment when you consider how many real lives are at stake. How many will turn back to smoking if vaping becomes prohibitively costly or difficult to switch to?

That's the reality. The only unicorn thing about this thread are the people that think this is what's best for the people. Try losing a loved one to smoking and see if that comment is still funny to you, like I have.

There will be plenty of real tears.

This person is a troll. Who needs ANTZ when we have fools like this in our midst. This poster has no idea of the ramification of this or just how many people it may hurt or kill.

But, THEY will have juice with FDA sticker on it and that is sooooo worth it to them. As long they get thier piece of mind, who cares how many people it will harm.

 

[VHRB2014]

Wont happen.

4 out of five of those large containers from Fasttech dont have any vape gear inside.

About 20% of FT packages contain e cig gear.

The rest contain cheap electronics.
FT is a huge wholesale source for cheap phone chargers and cases.

Its not realistic to think Customs would even try to search every package, and they wont just send them all back.

Customs will get a laugh out of all the sex toys and how amorous the US is.

 

[Buster282]

FDA is beyond crazy - this is insane! There were xxxthousand comments submited before deeming. I don't think they comprehended/understood what people were telling them. They just put out the regs the way that they wanted to all along. Read one article were manufacturers or sellers can't even say that vaping is safer than smoking, good grief. (can't remember what FDA calls it) I think that since manufacturers and merchants can't promote vaping as a safer alternitive to smoking, then we the people should! I would luv it if someone would form a non-profit whose sole purpose would be to advertise nationally the advantages of vaping. I think it could be supported by the vaping community as a whole; individuals, vaping orgizations, and trade organizations. heck any organization! We need to get the word out! Tell people they are safer, tell um how they saved our lives, how products now are inovative, tell um they can't take our vapes!

WE FIGHT! WE FIGHT! WE FIGHT!

 

[zyglow]

The FDA is a part of the US government; follow the trail of money to see who is benefiting from killing vaping. Rest assured this has nothing to do with health or safety.

 

[schatz]

Cannot even wrap my head around all this even though I knew it was coming, glad I started preparing a couple years ago.