Fiberglass has a distinct odor when melting. If I had one, I would open it up and take a torch to it.
Thoughts on ceramic wicks.....(BVCs)
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I prefer to stick with using wicks made of materials that come from dirt. And if anyone trusts the FDA to use any level of common sense or restraint when dealing with an emerging industry that is a threat to an existing multi-billion dollar industry, you're....well, you get my point. At least the Chinese don't pretend to care.
To my understanding, the screen in the head is to prevent "spit back" (when the wick is over saturated and juice pops off the coil. I'm not positive that's it, but thought it was worth bringing up.
I have a hard time wrapping my head around solids, in this case the speculated detritus from the ceramic/fiberglass/PFM filler material, making it's way to the lung.
I keep getting stuck at the idea, in my mind, "How do the solids travel in the vapor?".
To my way of limited reasoning if they were any little particles of the filler floatin' around they'd remain behind at the coil.
Can pieces of a given particulate large enough to be of concern actually go along for the ride in the vapor? I've no clue.
I keep getting stuck at the idea, in my mind, "How do the solids travel in the vapor?".
To my way of limited reasoning if they were any little particles of the filler floatin' around they'd remain behind at the coil.
Can pieces of a given particulate large enough to be of concern actually go along for the ride in the vapor? I've no clue.
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Whether it can make it to the lungs or not, fiberglass particles in the throat or esophagus probably aren't a good thing...
Since we pull the vapor into our lungs I think it is entirely possible to pull particulates with the vapor. Like sucking through a straw.
Nothing we vape has been proven safe to inhale. Most of us believe vaping is harm reduction / less harmful than inhaling the known chemicals & toxins in cigarettes.
If you're vaping dry wicking material of any sort I'd imagine some of the burnt fibers/particles are inhaled.
Saturated wicking materials are far less likely to release any fibers/particles.
Wetting (fine mist of water & surfactant) is common practice when removing / handling asbestos or fiberglass and many other materials known to suspend in air or become airborne causing an inhalation hazard.
pg/vg are excellent wetting agents, notice how little evaporates when you saturate a wick then leave it sit without using for weeks and it still is wet/saturated or turns slightly gummy.
I've used a few bvc's, I dont understand the whoopla over them, it is a tiny punched carto.
Why not just use a carto tank, IMO & for my taste side by side a carto tank is superior in every way. May not be for you.
If you're vaping dry wicking material of any sort I'd imagine some of the burnt fibers/particles are inhaled.
Saturated wicking materials are far less likely to release any fibers/particles.
Wetting (fine mist of water & surfactant) is common practice when removing / handling asbestos or fiberglass and many other materials known to suspend in air or become airborne causing an inhalation hazard.
pg/vg are excellent wetting agents, notice how little evaporates when you saturate a wick then leave it sit without using for weeks and it still is wet/saturated or turns slightly gummy.
I've used a few bvc's, I dont understand the whoopla over them, it is a tiny punched carto.
Why not just use a carto tank, IMO & for my taste side by side a carto tank is superior in every way. May not be for you.
Only this morning I placed my order for a Nautilus Mini, so thanks to all for the reassurance! Quite honestly, I don't think a wet wick is likely to release fragments, so I'll be giving it a fair try. Dudes and dudettes, did you survive smoking (so far) so you could join the health panic brigade? You think that by avoiding certain substances you can live forever? We're all gonna die, pilgrims, but not because of atomiser materials, I'm sure of that.
I quit smoking as a healthier living program; not to continue living willy nilly...
So the test report labels the wick or filler material as "fiberglass".
Is ceramic and fiberglass the same material?
"Ceramic" isn't really a material at all... Ceramics can be crystalline or noncrystalline (i.e. glass)... Mostly it just means that it was created via a process of heating and cooling... In fact, I'd have to look it up to be sure, but I think the word itself is derived from the greek (or maybe latin?) word for pottery.
Anyway, the point is... Yes, fiberglass could certainly also be called ceramic... and let's face it.. as a vaper which would you be more likely to buy? Something that uses a "ceramic" wick or a "fiberglass" wick?
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if you are concerned about it, when you get a new head you could blow it out really good, then give it a solid rinse. that should clean up any "loose" particulates. also prewets the wick - the first few vapes will be muted, but you wont be burning the wick and you are less likely to be inhaling particulates.
I don't know why the term "Fiberglass paper" is used in the SGS Test Report, but Aspire is one of the largest vape related companies around, and I highly doubt that their BVC wicking material is made out of fiberglass. Some type of ceramic material makes more sense.
StealthBombing Posted this in another thread.
I'm not saying not to be cautious about this until we learn more, but lets not jump to dire conclusions either.
StealthBombing Posted this in another thread.
I don't know where he got the information, but after researching "bio ceramic", it seems much more likely that this is what is being used.
I'm not saying not to be cautious about this until we learn more, but lets not jump to dire conclusions either.
I also saw that review, and it did concern me a little. I don't want my coils staying hot way after i've fired them.
I have not had any ill effects from my BVCs. I think that all of vaping is full of unknown risks. We are using things for purposes they were not originally intended for. And it has not been around long enough to know for sure. However, I still think that the risks are still better than 31 years of smoking.
I've been vaping BVC's now for over a month. I bought enough so that I could do my own analysis (not very scientifically but an analysis none-the-less). I took one apart completely to see exactly what one looks like before being vaped. Then after I used my first one, which lasted a full two weeks, I took it apart to see if anything had crumbled or come apart. Nothing had. Nothing. I think as long as the wick material stays saturated, it's highly unlikely any of the wick material could pass through the mesh filter. Bottom line for me at least is, these BVCs are the best vape experience I've found in a plug and play system. I will continue using them and like some other's have pointed out, they have to be a zillion percent safer than the horrible chemicals we put in our bodies while smoking cigarettes.
Yup. I don't think it's going to crumble unless you dismantle the coil and pull it apart.
I for one will NEVER use these if fiberglass is really being used in them. Fiberglass in your lungs is no-joke. A friend of mine worked as an HVAC tech and spent lots of time working in residential attics, and knowing the danger he would always wear a respirator to protect his lungs. Well... even using a respirator, he managed to do serious damage to his lungs from fiberglass that would get on his clothing only to get brushed off later and go airborne long after the respirator was taken off. The cumulative effect of just a few fibers here and there over the course of 10 years, his lung capacity has diminished greatly.
I just came across this:
I'm not sure of the diameter and length of these fibers, but they look awfully small, in fact they seem much smaller than the kind of fiberglass used as attic insulation.
Those of you who have come in physical contact with fiberglass on your skin know how incredibly irritating it can be, causing itching, rashes, etc. While this isn't vape related, a helpful tip I learned years ago is if you get it on your skin, NEVER use hot water when washing it off. Cold water only. Hot water makes your pores open up and fiberglass can then get deeper into your skin. I made that mistake once. it really sucked.
I just came across this:
I'm not sure of the diameter and length of these fibers, but they look awfully small, in fact they seem much smaller than the kind of fiberglass used as attic insulation.
Those of you who have come in physical contact with fiberglass on your skin know how incredibly irritating it can be, causing itching, rashes, etc. While this isn't vape related, a helpful tip I learned years ago is if you get it on your skin, NEVER use hot water when washing it off. Cold water only. Hot water makes your pores open up and fiberglass can then get deeper into your skin. I made that mistake once. it really sucked.
I do not know what Bio Ceramic fill really is, nor do I know if these might contain fiberglass, but your post Andrew, even with the "if", seems to be a bit of a frightening one.
We don't yet know. I think I shall reserve judgement until we know more.
We don't yet know. I think I shall reserve judgement until we know more.
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