Thoughts on Vaping from an old man.

[NCC]

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I do get the impression that baby boomers want to live forever, not relinquish their assets to their kids or you know, anyone else?
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Anna

That's a truly repugnant statement.

 

[Snidely_Whiplash]

Carn the Crusty Olde Phart™'s

As to cloud chasing

1. Let's take a bunch of young guys
2. Get them out from under the thumb of the Taxman & Big tobacco
3. Give them one or two Red Bull™'s each
4. And see if they don't do dirty great, furry, cloudy, cartwheels !!!

 

[stormjib]

I'm also in that age category and smoked for over 40 years. I don't have the same attitude towards 'cloud chasers', though. I decided a long time ago that I don't care what other people put in their mouths, if it doesn't directly involve me. I do think that the idea that cloud chasing and cloud comps is what brings criticism to vaping is incorrect...I think it's part of it for sure but even if vaping wasn't popular among young people, it would still be under scrutiny...because of its potential to devastate state budgets by blowing a hole in the cigarette tax revenues. I don't have any empirical data on it, but I'd wager that it's still only a small minority of any age group, that vapes. We see them because we share that habit. As far as tats and piercing goes, that's throughout our culture now, and really has nothing to do with vaping. I do strongly agree, though, that people of our advanced years could be some of the strongest advocates for vaping as smoke cessation...our testimony sometimes surprises people who are inclined to dismiss vaping as a young people's fad. I think it's super important that we let our voices be heard...that even after decades of smoking, vaping can offer a viable alternative. BTW Wallmart is not even close to being socialist, it's about the most capitalistic company in this country...that's why they pay their people so poorly that they need to go on public assistance, even while working full-time...if it was a socialistic company, the workers would have an ownership stake, instead of being exploited, and the owners wouldn't be billionaires many times over...the Waltons are among the richest of families in this country, all from Walmart.

 

[NCC]

Yeah that makes sense, but it is still very strange to a person such as myself who back in my younger days whenever we were carded a person had to be 18........ Then suddenly it's 40......... But I do understand what you are saying about carding vs purchasing .........

Keep breathing air for a few more decades. Sooner or later, you'll take the carding as a compliment. And then, a decade after that, you may begin to find it humorous. I'm 63 and still get carded for alcohol by merchants who are being overly defensive. I get a chuckle out of it, and so does the clerk if they're not too embarassed by the routine to find it laughable. I've asked them if they'd card my walker-pushing 88 year old mother, and they said they would.

 

[AXIOM_1]

Howdy and Welcome! I am 67 and I smoked for 43 years. You should see the looks I get when I would walk into a vape shop full of young people that are too cool and full of them selfs. I was asked once "Are you lost sir!" Then I would pull out my SUPER T ELA with a Kayfun 3.1 and set in on the counter then I got a lot of respect. How shallow those people were. That was in 2012 and I never went back.

Yeah that would be irritating for sure ........ Of course, it doesn't matter if it's vaping or some other subject because, in general, younger folks usually consider themselves smarter and more "aware" than older folks.... Of course, that is a self delusion on their part as nothing could be farther from the truth. The problem is that they can't see that it is a delusion until they age a bit more .....

But, like I said earlier in this thread, as far as tattoos, piercings, or other things they do, does not effect me in the least when it concerns vaping........ I am just glad some of them were able to quit the death sticks. Lots of those younger folks never smoked before and that is okay too because had they not found vaping they might be smoking tobacco instead........ I would rather see people not do anything at all but vaping (as far as we know) is certainly better than smoking tobacco.....

 

[listopencil]

Keep breathing air for a few more decades. Sooner or later, you'll take the carding as a compliment. And then, a decade after that, you may begin to find it humorous. I'm 63 and still get carded for alcohol by merchants who are being overly defensive. I get a chuckle out of it, and so does the clerk if they're not too embarassed by the routine to find it laughable. I've asked them if they'd card my walker-pushing 88 year old mother, and they said they would.

It's true. I have looked younger than I was for all of my adult life. People have remarked on it. Must be good genes because it's not like I have had a healthy lifestyle. It used to really annoy me when I was younger. I live in a very small town so they did finally stop carding me. Funny thing though, the Rite Aide drug store still does it to everyone.

 

[AXIOM_1]

Keep breathing air for a few more decades. Sooner or later, you'll take the carding as a compliment. And then, a decade after that, you may begin to find it humorous. I'm 63 and still get carded for alcohol by merchants who are being overly defensive. I get a chuckle out of it, and so does the clerk if they're not too embarassed by the routine to find it laughable. I've asked them if they'd card my walker-pushing 88 year old mother, and they said they would.

Yeah I have already experienced what you say.......... But the problem is that in this particular Walmart that is here I have witnessed them card people who are in their 90's, gray, and all hunched over and can barely walk..... Of course they are over 40!......... Not only that but I go to this Walmart quite a bit and it happens to me lots and it gets annoying......... For awhile I was sort of complimented by it but it got old and it now irks me.... Maybe some day I will find it amusing but I doubt it...... But. that is their policy and they are going to card people no matter how old you look....... The cashiers are just doing what they are told and it's not their fault...... Lately, I have found myself shopping at smaller supermarkets rather than going to Walmart for everything.

 

[Kprthevapr]

I had to look in the mirror to see if I had enough gray hair to post in here
I smoked for almost 30 years, quit 3 1/2 years ago with vaping.
I like mech mods, so I always have one with me everywhere I go, even in Walmart! I get more questions from older employees about vaping than any other person in Walmart. That's when I explain to them if they are serious about vaping, to check out the stuff they sell in store. Then go online and check out ECF.
Not sure how many employees actually check out vaping, but at least they know there's an alternative to smoking.

 

[OlderNDirt]

Dang! Seems I went straight from being carded to getting senior discounts without being asked!


As far as the Wally thing, you gotta understand. After all, they take the oldest, least mobile employees and put them as checkers so they don't have to move around......the old "drive a stake to see if they are moving" thing. Along with that goes the loss of memory thing and at our age, even 50 starts looking young (especially all you who still have all your hair)!

I bet all you young'uns think when you see them moving them powered carts around, they are working. They are actually going on break and only have 15 minutes!

But many of us retained our sense of humor!

 

[Smoke_too_much]

I would like to give you some background on me. I am 71 years old and have smoked since I was 13. I quit tobacco 5 years ago and turned to vaping. Before that I was a 4 pack a day cigarette smoker then switched to a pipe while in the Army and smoked 42 years inhaling the pipe. Fortunately my lungs are clear and have not contracted COPD. I found 2 of my best friends dead in their homes. I was the first person to find them. They died 3 years apart. There is a legion of gray haired people who can be of assistance in countering the FDA. The vaping community is ignoring us.
I sit at the VA and see many of my fellow veterans on oxygen and know there are many more who will be in that state in the future. The vaping community is now in the hands of the young and I feel you are destroying the benefits of getting people to quit tobacco. The vaping community is turning into a cult. I am not insulting the community but looking at it from the perspective of one person on the outside looking in.
Do you want the older, gray haired grandpa and grandma's on your side then take a good hard look at the vaping community. Go on YouTube and all you see are wanna be Grimm Greens and Pete(Phil) Busardo's. Some of them need to be strangled to be honest. I would do it but it's only a video. Nick Green changed his format and has also gone over to the dark side.
So if you want to help the vaping community get the Baby boomers on your side. Get Grandma and Grandpa into vaping. You will have them around for much longer and hopefully you never have to see them on oxygen. It is an ugly thing.
Me, criticize me if you want. I don't care. I care about getting people off tobacco and the way I see it the message being given is not a positive one. Thanks for listening .

Hi Ted & welcome
I won't criticize you but I do think you are underestimating the amount of grey power here and in the vaping industry. I'm 63 and I see a lot of responses from older folks but the govt dosen't listen to anyone anyway no matter what your age because its the money doing the talking and the greed doing the listening.

Now if you are 71 that means in the sixties you were in your late teens and early 20's. So where along the line did you loose that 60's spirit as to give a rat's tushy what the FDA does. It didn't stop us then and shouldn't now.

 

[stols001]

That's a truly repugnant statement.

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Takes a bit to get to the boomer part, but it's there.

So, perhaps so, but I don't think it's totally invalid. I know a lot of boomers who feel that way and a few that don't, I have no problem with *anyone's* quest to live longer/use their money on retirement, I think that's fine. I wasn't trying to criticize many boomers attitudes, I think it's fair enough. When you start spending money on *that* kind of stuff though, well.... It's kind of like cryogenics to me. If I ever make it to *very elderly*, I will be grateful, but I'm not on a hunt for immortality either. God, life's HARD I'm not innit for that..... To be fair, the cryogenic movement was developed WAY before the boomer generation.... But, I can't tell you how many boomers I've met who were all like, "Hillary, Hillary, save my retirement!" and seriously, that was like, the *only* focus they had. Which is *also* fine you can vote for whom you want, but some of this "Life extension" nonsense is pretty repugnant to me, when kids are dying of lack of vaccination, sometimes in our country. I'm just saying, every generation has their pluses and minuses, I was joking about the snowflakes somewhere else, and no one had a fit. I guess it hit too close to home? OF COURSE not every boomer's like that, but it is a fairly well known stereotype. Stereotypes may be repugnant on some level, but that doesn't make them *invalid*, it just makes them not PC, and I don't care about PC much because as far as I'm concerned, anyone needing to POINT THE FINGER is themselves is the idiot/racist/generationist because there are times that stereotypes are valid, helpful, and useful to make a point and there comes a time where *I* at least don't care.... though I think that I could have ammended that statement to *many* boomers, to be fair to your, ah, concern. Though really, you could have let it go. BUT NO, let's point fingers, instead. I wasn't raised here, I don't have issues with statements that *not everyone will agree with* and quite frankly, if I were to have pointed out the MULTIPLE cultral stereotypes about the French, that would probably have been fine.

I have freedom of speech, as do you. So, rock on. I've loved many boomers and disliked others... For the exact reasons I stated. I can't tell you what the "retiries" around here are like, but A MULTITUDE of them are bad drivers, totally self-entitled and self righteous, and I hate it (sometimes) when summer ends and they flock back. That said, I live in a community that's got some elderly folks in it and don't WANT to sequester themselves from the rest of the world in "Over 60" communities and whatnot. EVERY time I've entered one of those communities, I have had a bad experience, including being attacked once by an elderly lady *IN A GOLF CART* who drove herself infront of my son's go cart and lectured me for a time about how "You aren't allowed here" when it was a PUBLIC park. First, she could have caused an injury, secondly, *who does that?* And by that I mean, LYING, she just didn't want us there.... I told my son to back the F up and we left, as I didn't want to.... Involve myself in the Tucson Police Department. The amount of times retirees have acted entirely entitled, demanding, and rude, even in grocery stores? One boomer gave the the finger once because he was sitting for 3 minutes trying to figure out how to park, and so eventually I drove around him, parked, and as I was leaving *he* was entering and said, "You should have let me park back there," and I was like, "Ah, sir, I did let you park for 3 minutes, but it was looking like it might be forever....." I LIVE in a town of baby boomers and the ones that depart for the summer are the ones we most dread coming back. Perhaps there's some self-selection of sorts, but the boomers I meet from day to day don't inspire me with the desire to do anything but *get the hell away from them* and I am FAR from the only one.

Maybe you know nicer boomers. I guess I'll find out more when I visit the "Over 60 community" and offer to help. But so far, I haven't been impressed....

Anna

 

[AXIOM_1]

God, life's HARD I'm not innit for that.....

Yeah, life is hard and I will get all the rest I need when I'm dead

I was joking about the snowflakes somewhere else, and no one had a fit. I guess it hit too close to home?

Anna, I have been on this forum a few years and my constant joking has caused me nothing but problems for me on this forum for sure .... But that is just a part of my personality, so too bad for folks who can't hack it ..... I suppose my avatar reflects a bit of my character

BUT NO, let's point fingers, instead.

Yeah, have you ever noticed that when someone points their index finger at you that 3 of the fingers on their hand are pointing back at them?

Maybe you know nicer boomers. I guess I'll find out more when I visit the "Over 60 community" and offer to help. But so far, I haven't been impressed....

Hey, I am a boomer....err a little weird but nice I am not in the over 60 club though.

 

[listopencil]

I'm a Gen X'er. Just going about my business while the Boomers and the Millennials gripe at each other.

 

[Kprthevapr]

 

[stols001]

Well Axiom, I'm going to like you for your attitude, not your age Yes, I'm a bit of a prankster, and often it works, sometimes it doesn't. I can't tell you the number of times I've had to inform my supervisor "This family session I'm going to get down on the floor and bark like a junkyard dog, okay?" just to cover myself while illustrating how one parent in a family may be behaving.... I've never had a problem, in fact, if I'm going to plan something like *that* I've usually gotten to know the family well enough that I know it will *work*, a great deal better than ANY amount of words I can throw at the problem... I guess, though, internet fora can be different. So, I'm going to do THIS now.

I apologize if my statement was repugnant to you, and will try to make any stereotypes come with a disclamer, from now on, though I am a human being, and hence, falliable.

I'm still going to go to the "Over 60 community" regardless.... I'm not sure this heat wave is the best time but WHEN I do it, I WILL report back

Anna

 

[AXIOM_1]

I'm a Gen X'er. Just going about my business while the Boomers and the Millennials gripe at each other.

lol.......... Yeah, I imagine they do .... I wouldn't know as I am a bit of a recluse as I live way out in the woods and don't go to town very often...... In other words, I am a social misfit....

 

[listopencil]

lol.......... Yeah, I imagine they do .... I wouldn't know as I am a bit of a recluse as I live way out in the woods and don't go to town very often...... In other words, I am a social misfit....

Same here. I live in a tiny agricultural town in Northern California.

 

[listopencil]

Well Axiom, I'm going to like you for your attitude, not your age Yes, I'm a bit of a prankster, and often it works, sometimes it doesn't. I can't tell you the number of times I've had to inform my supervisor "This family session I'm going to get down on the floor and bark like a junkyard dog, okay?" just to cover myself while illustrating how one parent in a family may be behaving.... I've never had a problem, in fact, if I'm going to plan something like *that* I've usually gotten to know the family well enough that I know it will *work*, a great deal better than ANY amount of words I can throw at the problem... I guess, though, internet fora can be different. So, I'm going to do THIS now.

I apologize if my statement was repugnant to you, and will try to make any stereotypes come with a disclamer, from now on, though I am a human being, and hence, falliable.

I'm still going to go to the "Over 60 community" regardless.... I'm not sure this heat wave is the best time but WHEN I do it, I WILL report back

Anna

We can still make fun of the French, though, right?

 

[AXIOM_1]

I apologize if my statement was repugnant to you, and will try to make any stereotypes come with a disclamer, from now on, though I am a human being, and hence, falliable.

I'm still going to go to the "Over 60 community" regardless.... I'm not sure this heat wave is the best time but WHEN I do it, I WILL report back

Anna

Nah Anna, your statement was not repugnant too me......... Rather, I was deliberating on your concerns and your thought process in order to try to understand your thinking a bit better......... I don't hang around any other boomers and so I truly do not know how they are....... I am a loner and keep off to myself and I like it that way... So, I am a bit out of touch with how lots of boomers behave or how their attitudes are towards younger people.

 

[AXIOM_1]

We can still make fun of the French, though, right?

lol